Obi-Wan Series - Friday 27th May

[JPL]

8 hours ago, K said:

It's designed to stop vehicles, presumably.

True. Pedestrians should just shoot the fuck out of it to get through.

[JohnC]

It's just a checkpoint. As everyone seemed surprised to see it, maybe even a temporary one, with the gate posts being mobile. It's not designed to be there without troopers there too. Seems like a more robust checkpoint than the average police checkpoint on this planet. They would be even more useless if someone came along and murdered all the police at it.

[sid]

13 hours ago, Unofficial Who said:

If anyone is looking for some critical analysis, I really liked this. (Apologies if it's already been posted.)

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio/2022/06/03/patrick-freyne-obi-wan-kenobi-as-inquisiting-goes-its-grand-but-ive-seen-better/

 

 

absolutely brilliant 👏

 

Obi-Wan Kenobi uses the same template, except without Baby Yoda, the pre-eminent actor of his generation

[Dirty Harry Potter]

14 hours ago, Unofficial Who said:

If anyone is looking for some critical analysis, I really liked this. (Apologies if it's already been posted.)

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio/2022/06/03/patrick-freyne-obi-wan-kenobi-as-inquisiting-goes-its-grand-but-ive-seen-better/

 

 

That is very good indeed. Thanks for sharing.

[IcEBuRN]

12 hours ago, Bluejam said:

Much better fight IMO and that’s 3 years old 

I love this. Yeah, the CGI is janky and amateur, but this is canon in my head now.

[Tempy]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

It's just a checkpoint. As everyone seemed surprised to see it, maybe even a temporary one, with the gate posts being mobile. It's not designed to be there without troopers there too. Seems like a more robust checkpoint than the average police checkpoint on this planet. They would be even more useless if someone came along and murdered all the police at it.

I don’t think the issue is with the gate itself. It’s clearly meant as a checkpoint to stop vehicles passing through the valley as a pedestrian could walk around it.
 

They specifically show Obi-Wan going to the trouble of disabling the gate. He can’t power it down with the controls so he shoots the panel. He really must want it down, so you logically assume his intention is to jump back in the transport and drive through, but no he just walks through it. When I watched it I thought ‘well what was the point in that?’ as did many others. It’s very minor thing but the odd logic momentarily pulls you out of the story.

 

There are several scenes which do this and you shouldn’t have to wildly speculate the characters motives to make sense of it. The story should tell you or hint at it. Vader with the fire was very odd and again it pulled me out the story.

 

I am enjoying the story regardless, but cannot disagree with some of the criticism here. It doesn’t feel nitpicky. I think there are some issues with this show that could be easily resolved. It feels rushed and it’s a real shame. I really enjoyed Mando but thought Boba was pretty poor too. The quality is taking a dip.

[JoeK]

As much as I think old George royally shat the bed with a huge chunk of stuff, I do think his words of the films supposed to be for kids and adults alike are probably key to why I think the originals work best - and possibly why I enjoy the animated stuff so much. The moment you start thinking too much about it all, the whole thing is shown up for the wobbly premise it is. I definitely have moments when I overthink it, and it really does bum me out enormously. 

 

It's mostly why I don't like Rogue One much, and why I actually think Solo works much better than any of the more recent films. Well, inasmuch as it's got a bit more of a sense of humour (feminist robot aside). 

 

 

[Festoon]

16 hours ago, Unofficial Who said:

If anyone is looking for some critical analysis, I really liked this. (Apologies if it's already been posted.)

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio/2022/06/03/patrick-freyne-obi-wan-kenobi-as-inquisiting-goes-its-grand-but-ive-seen-better/

 

 

 

Mr. Freyne is also responsible for the Jubilee Clown comparison. He's a funny guy.

 

Her main personality trait is that she is very sassy. If there was a film poster for this show, she would be leaning back-to-back with Obi-Wan and they’d both have their arms folded and be looking at the camera over the top of their sunglasses. 

 

Lol.

[Dirty Harry Potter]

1 hour ago, JoeK said:

As much as I think old George royally shat the bed with a huge chunk of stuff, I do think his words of the films supposed to be for kids and adults alike are probably key to why I think the originals work best - and possibly why I enjoy the animated stuff so much. The moment you start thinking too much about it all, the whole thing is shown up for the wobbly premise it is. I definitely have moments when I overthink it, and it really does bum me out enormously. 

 

It's mostly why I don't like Rogue One much, and why I actually think Solo works much better than any of the more recent films. Well, inasmuch as it's got a bit more of a sense of humour (feminist robot aside). 

 

 

 

I think the old "its aimed at kids" thing is a bit of a wobbly premise when you have people being graphically melted by fire. But that shouldn't really matter anyway as the best in classic entertainment works across age groups. And something being aimed at kids shouldn't mean it's automatically ok to be a bit shit.

 

Kenobi's worst crime is breaking its own narrative logic. Ie.  Darth uses his force powers one minute, then when its dramatically convenient forgets about them. Leia is a ten year old kid (who runs like toddler) yet evades battle hardened mercenaries like she is in Home Alone 4 etc. etc. 

 

Its just full of this stuff like this, that frustratingly a better writer and director would have been able to fix without much thought.

 

Having said all that - I'm still quite enjoying it.

 

[Steven]

1 minute ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

 

 Its just full of this stuff like this, that frustratingly a better writer and director would have been able to fix without much thought.

 

It's baffling - the resources and talent they have access to and this is the best they can do. I really thought Chow's stuff on Mandalorian was some of the strongest of the different directors, so I'm surprised at how generally weak and uneven this has been. Feels like a show in search of a reason to exist.

[scottcr]

I do like Vader's one handed brutal down swipes - I don't mind the fire either.  Vader has found Obi Wan and is going to torment him - he's not going to let him die easily.

[Darwock]

On the subject of Gate-gate, after Obi Wan shuts it down, from memory it is a matter of mere seconds before the imperial transport arrives and stops in front of them. I’m going to assume he saw it coming on the road ahead and realized there was no point in getting back in the truck, as the road was still blocked. Or he’s blind as a bat and really loves walking.

[JoeK]

45 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

 

I think the old "its aimed at kids" thing is a bit of a wobbly premise when you have people being graphically melted by fire. But that shouldn't really matter anyway as the best in classic entertainment works across age groups. And something being aimed at kids shouldn't mean it's automatically ok to be a bit shit.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I think 'family' films is probably the way I'd describe the best Star Wars films. I mean, frankly I was always amazed at the melting faces in Indiana Jones - I distinctly remembering talking about it non-stop after watching it in the cinema! Bloody loved that bit. 

 

In fact, all the good family films have an element of that in I reckon  

[Dirty Harry Potter]

45 minutes ago, scottcr said:

I don't mind the fire either.  Vader has found Obi Wan and is going to torment him - he's not going to let him die easily.

By letting him get away? 

[Steven]

And saying seconds before that "bring him to me" to his troops.

[K]

It's wonderful to see people working so hard at not enjoying something.

[Purin]

 I am enjoying every single aspect except for Leia. Just a bad child actor.

[Don Rosco]

22 hours ago, IcEBuRN said:

Disney started it:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/05/31/star-wars-makes-bizarre-late-night-tweet-about-racism-and-obi-wan-kenobi-actress-moses-ingram/

 

As I also said, you'll get racist remarks about anything, all the time, it's the internet, it's a loud, vocal minority. There wasn't an issue with her until the show aired, because you know, the inqusitors have been... a bit shit so far.

 

I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread yet but FOR FUCKS SAKE don't link to that piece of shit site full of fucking lies.

 

Moses ingram posted many viciously racist messages she got on instagram, and said there was hundreds more. Then Disney responded, and so did Ewan McGregor.

 

bounding into comics is a fully involved arm of those comicsgate / geeksngamers shitheads, so don't believe a fucking word of it.

[Festoon]

I enjoyed the fight on Mustafar at the end of The Northman.

[Unofficial Who]

3 hours ago, scottcr said:

I do like Vader's one handed brutal down swipes - I don't mind the fire either.  Vader has found Obi Wan and is going to torment him - he's not going to let him die easily.

 

While I'm still sticking to my theory that Vader just ran out of steam and didn't have the energy to walk through the fire or pull Obi back through it my partner has a different theory that kind of matches yours.

 

When Vader caught up with Obi he reverted from Vader the monster to Anakin the petulant teenager. "He could have totally have snapped his neck or pulled him in two, instead he sets the ground on fire and rubs him into the sand. Probably muttering "Yeah, not fun is it being set on fire. How do you like it? Who has the high ground now eh?""

 

Her theory is that he paused near the end because he was totally caught by his stormtroopers having a bit of a strop. "What the fuck was that about?" they'd be saying in the break room later "he totally had him and instead he's using him as a zen garden broom? I don't get it."

 

While I'm enjoying this a lot one challenge that the writers have to overcome is that there's no sense of peril or danger. We know Obi Wan isn't going to die, he's not even going to get scarred. We know that child Leia isn't in any mortal danger from Flea, we know that there's pretty much nothing left of Darth to be chopped off. It's the same issue the film adaptation of The Hobbit had, everyone going into that movie knew that Bilbo and Gollum would appear again.

[Dirty Harry Potter]

3 hours ago, K said:

It's wonderful to see people working so hard at enjoying something.

 

Corrected for ya! 😘

 

eg:

 

21 minutes ago, Unofficial Who said:

 

While I'm still sticking to my theory that Vader just ran out of steam and didn't have the energy to walk through the fire or pull Obi back through it my partner has a different theory that kind of matches yours.

 

When Vader caught up with Obi he reverted from Vader the monster to Anakin the petulant teenager. "He could have totally have snapped his neck or pulled him in two, instead he sets the ground on fire and rubs him into the sand. Probably muttering "Yeah, not fun is it being set on fire. How do you like it? Who has the high ground now eh?""

 

Her theory is that he paused near the end because he was totally caught by his stormtroopers having a bit of a strop. "What the fuck was that about?" they'd be saying in the break room later "he totally had him and instead he's using him as a zen garden broom? I don't get it."

 

While I'm enjoying this a lot one challenge that the writers have to overcome is that there's no sense of peril or danger. We know Obi Wan isn't going to die, he's not even going to get scarred. We know that child Leia isn't in any mortal danger from Flea, we know that there's pretty much nothing left of Darth to be chopped off. It's the same issue the film adaptation of The Hobbit had, everyone going into that movie knew that Bilbo and Gollum would appear again.

 

[IcEBuRN]

1 hour ago, Don Rosco said:

 

I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread yet but FOR FUCKS SAKE don't link to that piece of shit site full of fucking lies.

 

Moses ingram posted many viciously racist messages she got on instagram, and said there was hundreds more. Then Disney responded, and so did Ewan McGregor.

 

bounding into comics is a fully involved arm of those comicsgate / geeksngamers shitheads, so don't believe a fucking word of it.

Sorry mate. I don't know of the site, it was just the top result on google when I searched referencing the tweet!

[Unofficial Who]

17 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

 

Corrected for ya! 😘

 

 

Not hard work for me, I'm easy to please. (Speaking as the resident Last Jedi/Book of Boba Fett apologist.)

[Sarlaccfood]

1 hour ago, Unofficial Who said:

 

Not hard work for me, I'm easy to please. (Speaking as the resident Last Jedi/Book of Boba Fett apologist.)

A true TLJ stan would never lump those two together. Hand in your Canto Bight Casino membership card. 

[Broker]

2 hours ago, Unofficial Who said:

 

While I'm enjoying this a lot one challenge that the writers have to overcome is that there's no sense of peril or danger. We know Obi Wan isn't going to die, he's not even going to get scarred. We know that child Leia isn't in any mortal danger from Flea, we know that there's pretty much nothing left of Darth to be chopped off. It's the same issue the film adaptation of The Hobbit had, everyone going into that movie knew that Bilbo and Gollum would appear again.

Same issue Solo and Rogue One had, it’s almost like desperately trying to shoehorn stories into any available time slots that haven’t been booked by the movies isn’t the greatest creative decision ever. 

[K]

I don't think knowing that Leia / Obi-Wan / Anakin / etc survive means that there's no tension. Fundamentally, in this kind of film or TV programme, you know the heroes are probably going to survive. The interesting thing comes from how they survive, and how it affects them. I thought Solo was interesting, because it showed how Han went from this naïve, idealistic teenager to being the prickly, cynical, loner we see in Star Wars.

 

So in Obi-Wan, I don't know how it will affect him ultimately because the series is still going, but I'm fascinated by how it will change him. The programme has already made me care about the relationship between him and Anakin in a way that the prequels never did, and seeing Leia's formative relationship with someone who she clearly cares about a lot in Star Wars is also pretty interesting.

[Darren]

17 minutes ago, Broker said:

Same issue Solo and Rogue One had, it’s almost like desperately trying to shoehorn stories into any available time slots that haven’t been booked by the movies isn’t the greatest creative decision ever. 

 

Solo's about character development and motivation rather than "will he survive?" though (just like this series), and Rogue One avoided the issue altogether by having completely new characters, so we didn't know whether they'd survive.

 

Spoiler

They didn't

 

[davidcotton]

1 hour ago, Broker said:

Same issue Solo and Rogue One had, it’s almost like desperately trying to shoehorn stories into any available time slots that haven’t been booked by the movies isn’t the greatest creative decision ever. 

It’s what kept Big Finish (Doctor Who audio)going as a company for decades. 
 

It’s a good point though.  I’ve never felt the gang in Star Wars universe were off having adventures off screen the way the Doctor or various trek crews could have.  

[Broker]

1 hour ago, K said:

I don't think knowing that Leia / Obi-Wan / Anakin / etc survive means that there's no tension. Fundamentally, in this kind of film or TV programme, you know the heroes are probably going to survive. The interesting thing comes from how they survive, and how it affects them. I thought Solo was interesting, because it showed how Han went from this naïve, idealistic teenager to being the prickly, cynical, loner we see in Star Wars.

 

So in Obi-Wan, I don't know how it will affect him ultimately because the series is still going, but I'm fascinated by how it will change him. The programme has already made me care about the relationship between him and Anakin in a way that the prequels never did, and seeing Leia's formative relationship with someone who she clearly cares about a lot in Star Wars is also pretty interesting.

That’s totally fair, my issue really is with the “oh no, Han is in danger” scenes where we know he’ll survive. They feel like padding. In this there’s scenes where Leia is in danger with ominous music that serve literally no purpose. I guess they’re aimed at people who haven’t seen Star Wars? But I can’t imagine this being much fun for them. 

 

1 hour ago, Darren said:

 

Solo's about character development and motivation rather than "will he survive?" though (just like this series), and Rogue One avoided the issue altogether by having completely new characters, so we didn't know whether they'd survive.

 

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They didn't

 

There’s a line in Star Wars where they say everyone who got the plans died. And the entire finale of rogue one is what they seem to think is a tense race to do a thing that we already know they’re going to do. They’re putting dramatic music over scenes of people just barely grabbing a box that the plot of the most famous film ever made hinges on them grabbing. 

[Don Rosco]

9 minutes ago, Broker said:

There’s a line in Star Wars where they say everyone who got the plans died

 

There is?