Avengers: Endgame - BIG SPOILERS TOPIC - You have been warned!

[HarryBizzle]

The wife and kids are away this weekend, so I finally had the time to watch this and thought it was pretty damn great. The first hour was a little bit odd and a little bit too goofy in places, but not too bad. Fat Thor was a nice highlight.

 

Various bits of it like Banner-Hulk and Stark dying had been spoiled for me, but the whole Time Heist thing wasn't, so that was a pleasant surprise. I wasn't expecting that at all, and it was done really well, a nice little trip down memory lane without being too silly. I was surprised how emotional it made me in places, too - Thor meeting his mum again and Stark dying (mainly because he's got a young kid) really got me. I didn't really care about Romanov dying, because I've never really liked the character.

 

The whole thing hangs together wonderfully well given how silly and convoluted it sounds on paper. You can't help but contrast it to the absolute mess that was Rise of Skywalker. I mean, they managed to get Cap back with the girl he lost 17 bloody films ago without it feeling stupid or nonsensical!

 

 

I do with there was a bit more Cap Marvel in it though. Such a cool character, even if her new haircut isn't as cool as her old one.

[HarryBizzle]

On 09/08/2019 at 08:28, Darwock said:

Phew, finally made it to the end of this thread! Although I'm surprised that not one post has addressed my own sticking point about the cap ending.

 

Symbolically giving the shield to someone else is all well and good, but how does that transfer the role of Captain America? It's just something he uses (sometimes), it doesn't give him any power. All Falcon can do is pilot a jet pack - without that he'd just be a normal bloke with a flashy shield. Needs super serum surely.

 

Also I'm not clear where that shield came from because Thanos broke it and Tony (who I think made it) was not around any more to fix it.

 

Bit late to the party but I thought the whole point of that scene is the new Captain America is a black guy. You're supposed to switch your brain off and embrace the positive message, like with the silly bit where all the super hero ladies get together to do the thing with the thing.

[MansizeRooster]

You see falcon learning to use the shield in the trailer for the upcoming Disney+ stuff.

 

 

[Eric86]

Enjoyed this the first time round at the cinema, but on second viewing on Disney+ I thought it was 

 

Spoiler

FUCKING AWESOME 

 

The downbeat first act worked a lot better on second viewing. The heist middle section didn't seem as drawn out as I remember. And so many great moments in the finale. Perfect ending to the series. Marvel should have called it quits after this. 

[Stig]

13 minutes ago, Eric86 said:

Enjoyed this the first time round at the cinema, but on second viewing on Disney+ I thought it was 

 

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FUCKING AWESOME 

 

The downbeat first act worked a lot better on second viewing. The heist middle section didn't seem as drawn out as I remember. And so many great moments in the finale. Perfect ending to the series. Marvel should have called it quits after this. 

 

I wouldn't have called it quits but I certainly could have watched Spider-man FFH as the epilogue and waiting 4-5 years until the next film. A nice chill out period and then the anticipation of knowing the next phase was coming would have been so good. Excitement levels would have been through the roof.

[drmick]

49 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

I wouldn't have called it quits but I certainly could have watched Spider-man FFH as the epilogue and waiting 4-5 years until the next film. A nice chill out period and then the anticipation of knowing the next phase was coming would have been so good. Excitement levels would have been through the roof.

 

Even before Coronavirus the gap between FFH and BW was the probably the longest we've had since 2010.

[Sarlaccfood]

 

So fucking good.

 

[catinthehat]

I watched that clip yesterday afternoon, then watched the film again last night. I’ve seen it loads of times now, and while it still has some issues I absolutely fucking love it. 

[Eighthours]

9 hours ago, Sarlaccfood said:

 

So fucking good.

 

 

Jesus. I'd forgotten how kinetic that bit is.

[Gabe]

It really is a wonderful moment and a great film. Makes me sad that we have no more Cap to enjoy, for me he is more the embodiment of the Avengers than Iron Man (despite loving RDJ in the role). I read at one point he had discussed potentially staying on beyond Endgame, though I think that was (probably) before the direction of those films was finalised.

[Uncle Mike]

I agree - I think for all they lionised Iron Man (and obviously RDJ was iconic in the role) actually Iron Man spends most of the time not being a very good hero. Obviously, there's some of a redemption arc in there by design, but even so. IM1: saves own life, has to correct negative impacts of his own lifestyle to date. IM2: saves own life, has to correct negative impacts of his Dad's life, and his own. IM3: has mental health issues, has to correct negative impacts of his own lifestyle. Avengers 1: hero. Avengers 2: creates end of world event out of arrogance, and repeats the same actions without having learnt anything about said arrogance. Civil War: is forced to be a semi-villain for plot reasons. Infinity War/Endgame: hero. Spider-Man Homecoming - a bit of a dick, villain is his creation again. Spider-Man Far from Home: villain is his own creation in a Jim Carrey/Riddler sense.

 

It's a pretty chequered history. Whereas Cap is really the only one that's just a straight hero from start to finish (and obviously, again, that's the point.) I found the untramelled worship they've attached to Iron Man's legacy a bit out of fit with what we've actually seen.

[Gabe]

Iron Man is precisely one of the reasons I didn't really enjoy either of the Spider-Man films that much, because he was always a part of them, on screen or not. I also think his individual films were some of the weakest in the whole MCU (I thought IM2 was awful and 3 was okay I guess), whereas Cap had some interesting character arcs in his films.

 

Anyway, the Cap 

[neoELITE]

15 hours ago, Sarlaccfood said:

 

So fucking good.

 

 

It's even better if you don't sit near your annoying children.

 

You can't neg me! Ah ha ha ha!

[Thor]

3 hours ago, neoELITE said:

It's even better if you don't sit near your annoying children.

 

You can't neg me! Ah ha ha ha!

This has fucking slayed me!

[dug]

Having got Disney+ I've finally caught up on the marvel films (well, haven't seen Spiderman Far From Home yet). And really enjoyed them for the most part. I tend to like the more comedic ones most; Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor Ragnarok are probably my favourites. Infinity War and Endgame were really good climactic wrap-ups as well.

 

If all of the films so far have been part of the "Infinity Saga" do we know what the next saga is going to be? Assuming there will be one, rather than just a series of one offs. I don't know anything really about Marvel comics history, but I'm sure there must be a villain somewhere of an equivalent level to Thanos to build up to.

 

Is Agents of Shield any good? Or any of the other series, come to that. I want more of a Marvel fix, but only if it's worth it.

[Thor]

12 minutes ago, dug said:

Is Agents of Shield any good?

No, it's absolute pants.

 

The forthcoming shows exclusive to Disney+, like Loki, Wandavision, and Falcon & The Winter Soldier, promise to be of higher quality. 

[Nick R]

1 hour ago, dug said:

Is Agents of Shield any good? Or any of the other series, come to that. I want more of a Marvel fix, but only if it's worth it.

 

I dropped off Agents of SHIELD during season 2. I've heard it improved afterwards, once the season structure was changed so that story arcs weren't being stretched out across whole seasons, and once Ghost Rider turned up.

 

Agent Carter was good! Some silly plots but good characters. Definitely worth watching if you liked Hayley Atwell and Dominic Cooper's roles in The First Avenger. Plus it'll give you more of a certain character who turns up very briefly in Endgame.

[Sarlaccfood]

2 hours ago, dug said:

Having got Disney+ I've finally caught up on the marvel films (well, haven't seen Spiderman Far From Home yet). And really enjoyed them for the most part. I tend to like the more comedic ones most; Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor Ragnarok are probably my favourites. Infinity War and Endgame were really good climactic wrap-ups as well.

 

If all of the films so far have been part of the "Infinity Saga" do we know what the next saga is going to be? Assuming there will be one, rather than just a series of one offs. I don't know anything really about Marvel comics history, but I'm sure there must be a villain somewhere of an equivalent level to Thanos to build up to.

 

Is Agents of Shield any good? Or any of the other series, come to that. I want more of a Marvel fix, but only if it's worth it.

If you have Netflix I’d recommend Daredevil or Punisher. Although they’re not really lighthearted. 

[neoELITE]

The Punisher is great but if you didn't know it was Marvel before watcing it, you'd never know it was a Marvel series. 

[Treble]

14 hours ago, dug said:

If all of the films so far have been part of the "Infinity Saga" do we know what the next saga is going to be? Assuming there will be one, rather than just a series of one offs. I don't know anything really about Marvel comics history, but I'm sure there must be a villain somewhere of an equivalent level to Thanos to build up to.

 

 

We don't know, and I think it's mainly down to how Marvel deal with having the Fantastic 4 and X-Men back, and how they'll integrate them. 

 

For me (and most others I suspect), the two best villains in the entire Marvel universe are Doctor Doom from the former, and Magneto from the latter. Problem is, both have been plundered in recent years for shit films and Feige might be wise to put them on hold and go with something else. 

 

I'm hoping we'll not just get the same old stuff, at least for a decade or so. Thanos was a fantastic choice - bit of an edge case - and they'd be wise to buff Dormammu, Kang, Sinister, Galactus, Super Skrull or any number of decent antagonists before dipping back into the bran tub of regulars like Apocalypse or (god forbid) the Phoenix entity

[Chadruharazzeb]

19 hours ago, dug said:

 

Is Agents of Shield any good? Or any of the other series, come to that. I want more of a Marvel fix, but only if it's worth it.

 

Legion. 

[drmick]

1 hour ago, Chadruharazzeb said:

 

Legion. 

 

Yeah, that's not getting on Disney+ any time soon.

[MardiganX]

Just watched this again on Disney+ and easily up to about 25 viewings now but this time I noticed something new, beautiful and incredibly important.

 

When Tony meets his Dad he says something to Tony that put a lump in my throat. Howard is talking about hoping his baby that is due is a girl, because a boy could potentially turn out like him which he wouldn’t want and he says “because rarely has the greater good came before my own self interests” 

 

There are lots of little things sprinkled throughout that touch on Tony’s sacrifice and that play a part in what he ends up doing but I can’t believe I never picked this up before.

 

Anway, this fucking movie 

[drmick]

42 minutes ago, MardiganX said:

Just watched this again on Disney+ and easily up to about 25 viewings now but this time I noticed something new, beautiful and incredibly important.

 

When Tony meets his Dad he says something to Tony that put a lump in my throat. Howard is talking about hoping his baby that is due is a girl, because a boy could potentially turn out like him which he wouldn’t want and he says “because rarely has the greater good came before my own self interests” 

 

There are lots of little things sprinkled throughout that touch on Tony’s sacrifice and that play a part in what he ends up doing but I can’t believe I never picked this up before.

 

Anway, this fucking movie 

 

I caught that first time- it's a recurring topic through the Avengers and Iron Man movies.

[MardiganX]

1 hour ago, drmick said:

 

I caught that first time- it's a recurring topic through the Avengers and Iron Man movies.

 

Yeah I know it goes right back to the first Avengers movie where Cap taunts Tony about not being the guy to make the sacrifice play and there being lots of other things, but I just never picked up this very specific and quite emotional moment with Tony and Howard.

[Gabe]

On 18/04/2020 at 04:11, Treble said:

 

We don't know, and I think it's mainly down to how Marvel deal with having the Fantastic 4 and X-Men back, and how they'll integrate them. 

 

For me (and most others I suspect), the two best villains in the entire Marvel universe are Doctor Doom from the former, and Magneto from the latter. Problem is, both have been plundered in recent years for shit films and Feige might be wise to put them on hold and go with something else. 

 

I'm hoping we'll not just get the same old stuff, at least for a decade or so. Thanos was a fantastic choice - bit of an edge case - and they'd be wise to buff Dormammu, Kang, Sinister, Galactus, Super Skrull or any number of decent antagonists before dipping back into the bran tub of regulars like Apocalypse or (god forbid) the Phoenix entity

 

Doctor Doom and Magneto are both more anti-heroes though, aren't they? And so for that reason I'm not sure how you incorporate them as a big bad over a series of films (unless they scrap any redemption for them - though that would be against their general character).

[Gabe]

I've just finished watching this again after re-watching Infinity War on Sunday night and they are both very good films, though I still prefer IW overall. I guess part of that is because there's a sense of sadness that things ended, but also because it had a greater sense of urgency about it and whilst the whole time heist stuff in Endgame was well done, I didn't find that quite as engaging.

 

Obviously this had the best moment of the whole series.

 

It'll certainly be interesting to see who will form the next 'core' Avengers and whether they can re-create their own dynamic to complement - not copy - the original group.

 

Also, something I've only just really thought about - was this also the end of the Hulk now too?

[Captain Kelsten]

10 hours ago, Gabe said:

 

Also, something I've only just really thought about - was this also the end of the Hulk now too?

 

See, the issue with standalone Hulk films, at least the ones they've done thus far, is that the audience spends the whole film wanting to see the Hulk smash shit, but the main character who we're supposed to be rooting for, Bruce Banner, spends the whole actively trying to stop us seeing what we came for. It's why Hulk works best in an ensemble movie rather than alone. 

 

Now that Bruce and the Hulk are joined into Smart Hulk and seem happy with that, however, the prospect of a standalone film is much stronger and more appealing. 

[Gambit]

35 minutes ago, Doctor Shark said:

Now that Bruce and the Hulk are joined into Smart Hulk and seem happy with that, however, the prospect of a standalone film is much stronger and more appealing. 

 

True but a standalone Hulk film is never going to happen due to licensing bollocks.

 

If they make a solo Hulk film then they have to pay Universal, if he's part of an ensemble then they don't.

[Kevvy Metal]

11 hours ago, Gabe said:

Also, something I've only just really thought about - was this also the end of the Hulk now too?

 

He's not dead, he just has a hurt arm. 

Also the Professor Hulk union of Hulk & Banner can easily become a conflict again, as it has done in the comics.