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12 hours ago, Thor said:

Cap wielding the hammer is the cinematic moment of this decade. :wub:

 

It could have been better. Image how much more of a manly heroic man hero he'd have looked if he's had his guns out when he grabbed Mjolnir.  It would have been CW helicoper guns x100.

 

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Ok... Here's one. How does Jasper Sitwell get from the flying fortress in Avengers to pick up Loki's staff? In Avengers, he's working on one of the computers in the bridge. The flying fortress is some distance away. Then in Endgame, he's there to pick up the staff with Grillo for the elevator scene. How's he get there?

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2 hours ago, APM said:

Ok... Here's one. How does Jasper Sitwell get from the flying fortress in Avengers to pick up Loki's staff? In Avengers, he's working on one of the computers in the bridge. The flying fortress is some distance away. Then in Endgame, he's there to pick up the staff with Grillo for the elevator scene. How's he get there?

 

Presumably a Quinjet ferried him from the helicarrier to New York?

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On 01/07/2019 at 13:15, McCoy said:

 

Yeah, I guess I can see that.  It definitely feels like we're 'missing' a Hulk movie which takes place in the 5 year Endgame gap.  Plus, he never got his revenge against Thanos....

 

At first I was disappointed he never got his revenge via fighting Thanos, but in the end I really like that. It's what let him grow.

 

Hulk experienced weakness and so could understand the 'weakness' in Banner. It gave them the common ground to come together into something better. Physically weaker, but as a whole, so much more.

 

Then he beat Thanos by bringing everyone back. By needing people. Something Hulk couldn't have done, and neither could Banner. But together they did.

 

Too many films has characters lose so they can grow, and then succeed at the same goal as before. It was refreshing to see this loss, change the goal.
 

 

 

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16 hours ago, LaveDisco said:

 

At first I was disappointed he never got his revenge via fighting Thanos, but in the end I really like that. It's what let him grow.

 

Hulk experienced weakness and so could understand the 'weakness' in Banner. It gave them the common ground to come together into something better. Physically weaker, but as a whole, so much more.

 

Then he beat Thanos by bringing everyone back. By needing people. Something Hulk couldn't have done, and neither could Banner. But together they did.

 

Too many films has characters lose so they can grow, and then succeed at the same goal as before. It was refreshing to see this loss, change the goal.
 

 

 

 

Can’t agree with this more. As much as I was hoping he’d get his rematch, to just beat Thanos in a fist fight would have done the character an injustice. He’s more than brute force now, that’s the whole point.

 

(And Thanos didn’t just get lucky. He comfortably beat him, so we know how that fight goes anyway)

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I don't think I felt so excited in a film since... Optimus Prime turning up in Transformers The Movie? The entire sweep from Cap getting the hammer to Cap getting the hammering to On Your Left just threw down the Infinity Gauntlet. I don't see any big budget movie coming within a mile of that for a long time.

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6 hours ago, George Clooney said:

 

Just to come back to this point, as I never really gave more than a brief opinion when I first saw it.  Up till this point I was enjoying it, but starting to feel the fatigue and thinking it needed to end soon.  Even when the three of them first started fighting Thanos I was still fading.

 

Then Molnjir flew into Captain Motherfunking America’s hands and I swear I nearly pissed myself in the cinema.  You know those reaction videos on YouTube where arseholes watch anything and react super fake and over the top? That was me during this.  When he started swinging it around and twatting Thanos upside the head, I was losing my shit.  I didn’t even know I wanted to see this, if you’d have told me before that he used Molnjir I’d have been like “huh, cool I guess”.  Instead I’m pretty sure I was bouncing on my chair like some idiot man child slapping the armrest next to me.

 

It didn’t end there though. Sure, I was a little disappointed that Cap then took a beating.  But thinking about it, while it would have been a cool hero moment to get the win, having it happen early made some sense. It doesn’t just work as nice character moment for Cap, it boosts his power level up to allow him to be a bigger threat in the final battle.  Ultimately it made sense for Thanos to give him a kicking one on one.  It doesn’t boost him up that much, Thanos is still more powerful.  But the initial disappointment of Cap losing is soon made up for by what is probably the greatest callback in cinema, ever.

 

”On your left”

 

HOLY FUCKING SHITBALLS I LOVED THIS SHIT AND EVEN JUST THINKING ABOUT IT GIVES ME GOOSEBUMPS.  The whole portals scene is perfect.  I can’t imagine it being done any better.  I love how it starts slowly, with just T’challa, Shuri and Okoye at first, almost giving it time to allow the moment to land, that this is the cavalry about to arrive.  Then, falcon coming through, the camera tracking out with him to reveal all the portals.  The reveal of all the characters, and not just that, the armies they bring with them.  Then Ant man bursting through the ruins of the complex, larger than we’ve ever seen him.  And the music.  Jesus fucking wept, the music is amazing in this scene.  

 

The battle itself is immense too, lots of great moments for characters, never feels like too much is happening to follow.  The entire end sequence alone elevates it into the top tier of marvel movies for me.  Its the MCU at its very best, but it has the advantage of being able to dig into everything the MCU has already done to build from.  It’s still remarkable and I love it for that.  It was always going to struggle to “end” this chapter in a satisfying way, but I think they mostly did.  And they did Cap right in the end.  I never thought I’d be invested in a captain America story, but they managed it somehow.

 

Already posted earlier but just for you:

 

 

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6 hours ago, George Clooney said:

 

Just to come back to this point, as I never really gave more than a brief opinion when I first saw it.  Up till this point I was enjoying it, but starting to feel the fatigue and thinking it needed to end soon.  Even when the three of them first started fighting Thanos I was still fading.

 

Then Molnjir flew into Captain Motherfunking America’s hands and I swear I nearly pissed myself in the cinema.  You know those reaction videos on YouTube where arseholes watch anything and react super fake and over the top? That was me during this.  When he started swinging it around and twatting Thanos upside the head, I was losing my shit.  I didn’t even know I wanted to see this, if you’d have told me before that he used Molnjir I’d have been like “huh, cool I guess”.  Instead I’m pretty sure I was bouncing on my chair like some idiot man child slapping the armrest next to me.

 

It didn’t end there though. Sure, I was a little disappointed that Cap then took a beating.  But thinking about it, while it would have been a cool hero moment to get the win, having it happen early made some sense. It doesn’t just work as nice character moment for Cap, it boosts his power level up to allow him to be a bigger threat in the final battle.  Ultimately it made sense for Thanos to give him a kicking one on one.  It doesn’t boost him up that much, Thanos is still more powerful.  But the initial disappointment of Cap losing is soon made up for by what is probably the greatest callback in cinema, ever.

 

”On your left”

 

HOLY FUCKING SHITBALLS I LOVED THIS SHIT AND EVEN JUST THINKING ABOUT IT GIVES ME GOOSEBUMPS.  The whole portals scene is perfect.  I can’t imagine it being done any better.  I love how it starts slowly, with just T’challa, Shuri and Okoye at first, almost giving it time to allow the moment to land, that this is the cavalry about to arrive.  Then, falcon coming through, the camera tracking out with him to reveal all the portals.  The reveal of all the characters, and not just that, the armies they bring with them.  Then Ant man bursting through the ruins of the complex, larger than we’ve ever seen him.  And the music.  Jesus fucking wept, the music is amazing in this scene.  

 

The battle itself is immense too, lots of great moments for characters, never feels like too much is happening to follow.  The entire end sequence alone elevates it into the top tier of marvel movies for me.  Its the MCU at its very best, but it has the advantage of being able to dig into everything the MCU has already done to build from.  It’s still remarkable and I love it for that.  It was always going to struggle to “end” this chapter in a satisfying way, but I think they mostly did.  And they did Cap right in the end.  I never thought I’d be invested in a captain America story, but they managed it somehow.

 

My grin grew wider and wider as I read that. Even started to well up a little. I don't think I'll ever get over the Portals scene, it's going to hit me every time I see it.

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It was the bit where Thor talks to his mother, that made me well up.  After all that had happened to him, the loss of his family, home and all that he loved. Then the failure to stop Thanos had dragged his so low, he was a joke a parody of himself and to meet his mother one last time and realised he'd reached rock bottom. But then she tells him that she can't be saved and knows she has to die and he has to carry on and he says goodbye knowing he'll never see her again ...

 

Jesus, it makes me tear up just thinking about it now. 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Strange they cut the only scene that shows Gamora still alive following Tony's snap. They should have just inserted that small bit into the part where Tony is dying, as it would make more sense as to why the Guardians go looking for her at the end of the movie.

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1 hour ago, Super Craig said:

There's been a decent copy out since the week of release.

Has there? To be fair, I haven’t tried that many, but the few I have were all the same Chinese (I think) cam copy and pretty terrible. I’ve been dying to watch it again as well.

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