Avengers: Endgame - BIG SPOILERS TOPIC - You have been warned!

[Benny]

Agreed. Even more sad what puny Banner has done to him then. Valkyrie was right - I also prefer him one of either of the other two ways.

[Thor]

But Hulk and Banner are the same person, different facets perhaps, but still the one person despite Banner and Hulk treating "each other" differently. 

 

When the Ancient One pushes his soul into the astral plane ... there's only one soul: Bruce Banner's. It's him, it's always been him.

[Benny]

Nah, mate. Hulk went to sleep.

 

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I don't disagree with that, but puny Hulk is less fun.

 

[Thor]

Nah, mate. Hulk and Banner are the same person. 

 

See, I can do that too.

[Kodamarama]

So are we supposed to spoiler tag in this thread still?  I don't even know anymore after what seanr said...

 

Guess I'll

leave

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space

 

Anyway....

 

I had convinced myself that RDJ was on for more Marvel.  He even cancelled off another project recently, and I was like, "Yep.  That's that confirmed.  Fuck yeah Iron Man 4!"

 

Was bawling my goddamned eyes out.

 

Then bawling my eyes out some more with Steve and Peggy (ha - get bent, boring old Agent 13).  I got a major flashback to Al and his wife in Quantum Leap with them dancing in the living room.  Probably not even coincidence when QL was referenced earlier.

 

6 Bags of Popcorn and a tiny broken heart pin I will wear on my lapel forever more.

[McCoy]

Looking back, I think they rather stepped on Cap's hammer moment in this film by also giving it to Vision in Ultron. It was used there as a fairly simplistic plot point while here it was something that felt earned. By having Vision already have the moment slightly took away from the same moment here. 

[Benny]

Nah, Mate. It was amazing.

 

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Plus I could barely remember Vision had died. Until Red Mist reminded everyone she was a bit upset.

 

[Nick R]

Using spoiler tags for anyone browsing via Unread Content, as SeanR said...

 

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Favourite bits:

 

* Most of the Battle of New York time travel sequence. The surprise appearance of the Ancient One - especially the moment where she learns that Strange gave up the Time Stone willingly! Stark's line about everyone standing around posing! THE ELEVATOR SCENE

* A joke that no one else in the cinema seemed to react to: when Rocket is chased by the Asgardian guards, someone shouts "catch that rabbit!" Rocket was also the subject of the Tony Stark line that got the biggest laugh in my screening.

* I'm glad that Nebula was so important to the film, as the sole character left standing who personally knew Thanos. My pet theory since GOTG vol 2 had been that she would be the one to have her moment of redemption by delivering the killing blow to Thanos. However after present!Nebula kills 2014!Nebula, she seemed to vanish from the film - I don't remember if she actually had a moment confronting Thanos in the final battle, or if she was on the ship with the Asgardians of the Galaxy? (Also, slightly disappointed that they missed the chance to include Doctor Who in the list of pop cultural time travel - I suppose that's because they were only listing movies! )

* And Stark's reference to Nebula as the Blue Meanie - that's the second Beatles reference between these two Avengers films; I suppose that makes up for Marcus and McFeely and the Russos leaving them off Cap's To-Do list in Winter Soldier!

* "On your left..."

* Thor to Cap on the subject of weapons: "you have the small one!"

* The well-earned endings. Jon Favreau calling back to the "American cheeseburger" line from Iron Man; Cap and Peggy getting their ending (though not at the Stork Club, as some had predicted); and a very interesting setup for GOTG3...

 

 

Disliked/disappointed by:

 

* Spidey's "activate instant kill mode". Yeah I know they're faceless alien cannon fodder, but still, it's not a very Peter Parkery sort of line. (But fortunately he got possibly the coolest entrance in the final battle scene, and that moment of being carried along by Mjolnir.)

* 2014 Thanos with his own weapon and no Power Stone, against everyone he went up against here, seemed just as powerful as he was in the Titan battle in IW.

* After Infinity War there was criticism of the way that Gamora's death was a fridging for the sake of manpain. Now the second character sacrificed to get the Soul Stone is also a woman: I predict there will be much discussion of this (by people more articulate about the subject than me).

 

 

Something I only realised after seeing one comment elsewhere:

 

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If Cap went to put the Soul Stone back where it came from, that must mean he met Red Skull again?

 

 

During the credits, lots of people walked out, while the usher collecting rubbish repeatedly commented that he didn't know if there was going to be a post-credits scene. At the very end someone near the exit shouted incredulously:

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"A hammer!?"

And someone sat on the other side of the auditorium shouted back: "It's from Iron Man 1!"

 

[Benny]

Oh right, I assumed that's what the sound was, but it had been bugging me.

 

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Poor Black Widow doesn't get a big send off.

 

[Thor]

What? No. People shouldn't be viewing by that stupid way, or if they are, and are spoiler averse, they should change it.

 

Sorry SeanR, but I'm really in disagreement with you here. I'll be posting open spoilers, in an open spoiler thread. That's it. 

[Thor]

One thing I read was the dislike of Thor being fat-shamed, and subsequently just the butt of fat jokes having put on weight after suffering from PTSD. While there's some merit in the argument, I feel Marvel walked the line well enough with that one. The scenes with his mum were brilliant. And the fact he was still worthy despite letting himself go was, for me, quite a powerful message.

[Nick R]

During the relay with the gauntlet, T'Challa calls out to Hawkeye by his first name Clint. The line stuck out as odd to me, because the heroes' battlefield communications normally refer to each other by their surnames.

 

But then someone pointed out that this detail lines up nicely with when they met in Civil War:

 

Hawkeye: I don't think we've been introduced. I'm Clint.

Black Panther: I don't care.

[Ork1927]

15 minutes ago, Thor said:

What? No. People shouldn't be viewing by that stupid way, or if they are, and are spoiler averse, they should change it.

 

Sorry SeanR, but I'm really in disagreement with you here. I'll be posting open spoilers, in an open spoiler thread. That's it. 

 

We’ve never had open spoiler threads before though. 

 

Why not not just one thread and click the little box as we’ve done for all the other big films.

[Thor]

Where the fuck have you have been? We've had tonnes of spoiler threads on the gaming forums for over a decade. There's an active one for Red Dead Redemption 2 right now. 

[Ork1927]

2 minutes ago, Thor said:

Where the fuck have you have been? We've had tonnes of spoiler threads on the gaming forums for over a decade. There's an active one for Red Dead Redemption 2 right now. 

 

Not a film though is it?

 

You've either seen End Game or you haven’t and likelyhood is everyone who wants to will have been in the next week or so.

 

People will be at all sorts of different stages with Red Dead and therefore discussion will be all over the place - it’s a different thing.

[Thor]

It really isn't a different thing at all.

[JPL]

Loved it. I need to let it sink in, but I thought it was the perfect partner for Infinity War. My eldest lad was bawling his eyes out at the end. Iron Man is his favourite.

[Guest]

That bit where everyone rocked up and giant ant man appeared 

[JPL]

Oh yes, that end battle was amazing. The choreography and level of effects in that scene were mind blowing.

[papalazarou]

Just saw it and thought it was amazing - was worried that after the brilliant infinity war that there would be no way they could bring the whole thing to a close.  But I was wrong  very wrong that was almost as perfect an ending to this whole saga that we could have hoped.   When cap started wielding thor’s Hammer like a badass I couldn’t help but sit there with big grin on my face :-)  same thing when cap says “avengers....assemble!” As the cam pans down the line of everyone ready to unleash fury on Thanos and his minions

[JPL]

The finger snap basically just does what the wearer wants then, is that it? Hulk’s snap brought everyone back, Tony’s wiped out Thanos and his crew.

[yakumo]

Does anyone else not agree with the death of Iron Man , felt it was more because of Downey being the biggest star of the MCU and its more "poetic" I guess. However, it should have been Cap, it just felt more right for the film.I felt more for Black Widow's death than Iron Man.

 

Plus I loved that Pepper had to push Peter off so she could say her goodbye.

[Wroth]

So is Peter now 5 years younger than his classmates then?

[Wroth]

3 hours ago, Nick R said:

 

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* After Infinity War there was criticism of the way that Gamora's death was a fridging for the sake of manpain. Now the second character sacrificed to get the Soul Stone is also a woman: I predict there will be much discussion of this (by people more articulate about the subject than me).

 

I was thinking that at the time too. But then I figured it's significantly different that it was a willing sacrifice. How often is it that when it comes to a heroic act of self sacrifice, that it's the woman saving the man?

 

I did think there were one too many "nope, I'm gonna do it" trip ups in that scene though. It was comical by the fourth one.

[instasis]

The time travel stuff in the film has broken not only my head but also it's own stated rules so...whatever. I'm letting it wash over me. 

 

Loved it though, brilliant excellent stuff. Had no idea where it was going. Perfect send offs for Stark and Rogers. 

[cassidy]

6 minutes ago, Wroth said:

So is Peter now 5 years younger than his classmates then?

Only the ones who didn't snapped. So half of them. 

 

End battle was just how the fuck am I seeing this on screen. Just wow. 

[Droo]

8 minutes ago, Pelekophoros said:

The time travel stuff in the film has broken not only my head but also it's own stated rules so...whatever. I'm letting it wash over me. 

 

Loved it though, brilliant excellent stuff. Had no idea where it was going. Perfect send offs for Stark and Rogers. 

 

I thought it was ace. However, the time stuff confuses me a bit.  

 

So, thanos from the past came to the future and is destroyed yet Rogers returns the stones to the past?  Why?  Things can’t play out as they did cause thanos is now dead?

 

did I miss some exposition?

[instasis]

1 minute ago, Droo said:

 

I thought it was ace. However, the time stuff confuses me a bit.  

 

So, thanos from the past came to the future and is destroyed yet Rogers returns the stones to the past?  Why?  Things can’t play out as they did cause thanos is now dead?

 

did I miss some exposition?

 

So, if I understood it/recall it correctly (and I am neither a scientist nor a sci fi expert)

 

1) Banner says that you can't go back and change what's happened. What has happened, happens. If Future You goes back to the past you can't change what happens in the future because the future is now your past.

 

This suggested to me that the timeline is linear. But...

 

2) The Ancient(?) explains to banner that the infinity stones being in place ensure that time flows in a particular direction and keep "dark things" at bay, and removing even just the time stone will result in a branch

 

So now we've got branching timelines, but that still kinda gels with Banner's view because you can't change what you have experienced and it leaves things a tad open. But...

 

3) Loki then nicks the Tesseract and disappears, which must have changed everything that happened after that point to some degree.

 

And...

 

4) Future Nebula shot Past Nebula, but in the future, so who the fuck knows what happens there now, and...

 

5) Past Thanks comes to the future, gets beat, and therefore never got the stones to erase everyone in the first place and thus neither of these films should exist.

 

Yet...

 

5) Cap went back and put the timestones back so they wouldn't be missed and thus no branches would be created but then he stays on changes stuff by having a life with Carter. Even if we assume he made sure she still did everything she did, and didn't tell anyone about SHIELD being infiltrated by Hydra, it's still changes.

 

Yet he ends up back in the same timeline (but without anyone noticing him walk to the bench) with everyone else.

 

My head hurts.

[Steve McQueef]

36 minutes ago, yakumo said:

Does anyone else not agree with the death of Iron Man , felt it was more because of Downey being the biggest star of the MCU and its more "poetic" I guess. However, it should have been Cap, it just felt more right for the film.I felt more for Black Widow's death than Iron Man.

Previously I'd have agreed, but Cap constantly making sacrifices for the greater good and finally choosing something for himself, something he deserved, totally knocked me in the feels. 

[Benny]

On the Cap and Peggy thing, it feels like maybe he grew old but then snapped himself back to their continuity once he got bored.