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1 hour ago, cubik said:

The whole time travel thing was done well, but again, the way they discovered it was rushed.

It just sort of happened with thirty seconds of Stark thinking about Moebius strips and Hulk playing with a console.

 

The idea that Avengers 4 would involve time travel was rumoured for a while (via shots of Cap in his Avengers 1 costume on a New York set) - which I wished I hadn't known.

 

So after Infinity War my guess was that time travel would be a problem that would be solved not just by Stark, Banner, and Rocket, but that Pym and Shuri would also still be alive and title need to be brought in to put their heads together. (In the end it turned out that Pym's work was needed, but not him!)

 

I remember that among those rumours there was a suggestion that the BARF memory-reliving gadget from the start of Civil War would also turn out to be important. And I think someone here recently mentioned a theory that Stark's left arm has looked potentially injured for several films, and that this could be the result of an Infinity Gauntlet snap reverberating backwards through time. (Of course in the end the stones were on his right hand...)

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2 hours ago, Bacon Horsemeat said:

 

Must not have a lot of patience then, if you can't comprehend that others not of MCU Level 60 can actually forget bits that happened a year ago. This is not a specialist forum for Marvel geeks. It's for everyone who has watched Endgame, including Joe Casual. Sorry if that rocks your boat.

 

EDIT: Now that I've had a bit more time to recover, also kinda miffed that Black Widow didn't get a proper send off too. Wasn't quite Tony, but still played a significant part. Even Agent Coulson got a better scene after his death.

 

Fair enough if this thread isn't for Marvel geeks. But of all the forums I'm in this one is by far the busiest with regards Endgame, so it is by default my only true Marvel geek medium. And then you are in the middle of it.

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Love people arguing for 10 pages over the time travel. It isn't close to internally consistent here, and the nature of time travel plots mean they are never entirely consistent anyway, so you can argue forever over it. I thought the second scene with the Ancient One confused the matter more than helped though; the you can't Back to the Future it scene would have been enough. I'll be shocked if they don't hand wave it all away (though maybe a TV series or two will address it) even the obvious stuff like glaf of Peters class is 5 years older. 

 

I enjoyed fat Thor and chill Hulk on their own terms, but it felt like they'd mostly done them for this film rather than really linking it back to their ongoing plots. I also disliked they essentially wound up moving a few people backwards. 

 

Aside from that a lot better than it had any right to be, pace was a little up and down but good blend of humour and drama. I think the fan service and callbacks were all fair enough considering what that this is. And hey, there are now a lot of MCU fans. Infinity War is the stronger film, though. 

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I enjoyed it, time travel issues aside - The Cap ending, and the whole Loki thing (likely resolved in the upcoming mini-series, but who knows...). They've been discussed enough, so I wont go over them.

 

I was a bit miffed that Lady Sif was completely absent, again - has Marvel/Disney just forgot about the character, or is Jaimie Alexander not available anymore? Also Sharon Carter - has she been removed from the timeline now due to the actions of Cap?

 

Other than that, I thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. So many great (and funny) scenes!

"Hey Thor, that kid that called me a dickhead is back"

"That is America's ass!"

"I knew it!" - I had a massive grin the entire time, and thanks to no spoilers, was surprised to see it finally happen on the big screen - pure fan service right there, from the pages of the comics. And AVENGERS ASSEMBLE! to boot.

The headbutt scene - no-one's mentioned this, but I laughed when Thanos headbutts Captain Marvel to no effect, so he has to use the power stone or else he's fucked :lol:

 

Btw, Red Skull is "out there" now, as the Russo's have said he's free from his duties as the Soul Stone's guardian, so he wouldnt have been there when Cap returned the stone. Maybe Chris Evans isnt totally done with the MCU just yet, as what is the Red Skull without his arch nemesis? We'll have to wait and see if they bring the character back, but its odd that they have specifically mentioned this about the villain.

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My current time travel theory - it’s multiverses, and they’re all now back in alignment because cap took the stones back.

 

except 2023 (or the current day), where all the stones have gone and so dr strange’s order no longer has the time stone. What the heck this means for the universe as it drifts off its axis (or how everything goes to shit) seems like something to develop very slowly over Phase 4. And potentially the type of problem that leads to the eternals, Adam warlock, etc.

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I thought this had some great moments in it, some of the best throughout the marvel films, but the pacing was off compared to infinity war. I rewatched infinity war last week, and from the moment it starts it is relentless but perfectly paced. Endgame felt a lot slower to begin with, and would have been a better film if the first section had been edited down. infinity war is empire strikes back to engame's return of the jedi.

 

I also tutted at hawkeye's wife's use of her mobile 5 years later.

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1 minute ago, Benny said:

What? People haven't heard of permanent rolling contracts?

To be fair, there would probably be some kind of review of those contracts if half the population had suddenly been wiped out of existence. 

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1 minute ago, Benny said:

You think a phone company would stop taking your money if you don't ask them?

I'm thinking bank accounts would probably be closed after 5 years. 

 

Although I appreciate we're probably putting way too much thought into this. It was probably the first thing Doctor Strange did when he reappeared: he waved his hands and connected the call. 

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I thought Captain Marvel came across as a bit like Cavill-Superman. Not great. Thankfully not too much of a Deus Ex Machina, which was something I thought they might fall into. 

 

Very good film, not as tight as Infinity War but a lot of enjoyable moments and the ending was very strong. 

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Yeah there was an arrogance about her I didn’t really enjoy - it’s maybe a problem with a character that’s as all powerful.  Thankfully they kept use of her to a minimum and let the originals have the limelight. 

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19 hours ago, Thor said:

 

 

19 hours ago, Thor said:

 As for my second viewing. There's a plot ... contrivance, that I can't reconcile. Needing the Milano to fly from Morag to Vormire I can just about accept*, 

 

The Benatar! Pfft, noob ;)

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Can't help but think that once the Ancient One knew what was happening, surely she could have used the Time stone to fix the situation.

Not put a lot of thought to it, does the stone only work on things in front of the user or can they travel through time with it?

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A lot of the stones' powers seemed to be limited by who was wielding them and how. More powerful entities like Loki could use them more effectively, e.g. just popping out using the Space stone, but give that cube to a regular Joe and he wouldn't be able to use it. Bung the Power stone on the already powerful Ronan's sweet hammer and you've got a world killing weapon.

 

They're not really designed to be thought about for more than 5 minutes.

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