PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[Vorgot]

5 hours ago, Hexx said:

 

Sifu is in the second wave that's been added to the Jan sale.

 

PS+ is on sale, but as I'm an Extra member I can't buy a Essential Membership.

 

Don't think essential is on sale. '\m on it now and getting a 30% discount on Premium and Extra for the last 230 days of my sub, no offers on Essential

[MansizeRooster]

I live in utter fucking pant-shitting terror of buying something on PSN, only to see it added to PS Plus shortly afterwards. I've been sitting eying up The Sinking City for well over a year now, precisely for that reason.

 

Does anyone have any insight as to what developers/publishers have a higher likelihood of putting their games up on PSPlus at a certain point? Can you tell by a game's sales performance or age how likely it is to be added?

[Shimmyhill]

21 hours ago, Hitcher said:

Sounds like BS to me. If there's break in the seal then even if it's laid horizontal it'll leak out.

 

It doesn’t, it is a design flaw as when horizontal there is a lip stopping it from moving but when vertical there is nothing sealing it other than some poorly applied sticky pad.  I mentioned this problem months ago in this thread as its a very common repair for consoles that are vertical and the repair people are sealing them properly to prevent it

 

 

Some good pics there to show what happens.

 

FWIW my console is vertical, hopefully by the time Sony admit it and mine fails I’ll get some free games and a pad or something  

[Popo]

Damn, I’ve got stick drift in the left stick. 

[MattyP]

1 hour ago, MansizeRooster said:

I live in utter fucking pant-shitting terror of buying something on PSN, only to see it added to PS Plus shortly afterwards. I've been sitting eying up The Sinking City for well over a year now, precisely for that reason.

 

Does anyone have any insight as to what developers/publishers have a higher likelihood of putting their games up on PSPlus at a certain point? Can you tell by a game's sales performance or age how likely it is to be added?

Why not just buy the game and enjoy it when it reaches a price point you are happy to pay? Or conversely just play things that come up on a service and ignore games there are released separately?

 

It's like other media really if you like a bands output but their content isn't on say Spotify would it stop you buying and enjoying their latest album?

 

Life is too short. 

 

Edit: The Sunken City is currently £10.

[Vorgot]

1 hour ago, MansizeRooster said:

I live in utter fucking pant-shitting terror of buying something on PSN, only to see it added to PS Plus shortly afterwards. I've been sitting eying up The Sinking City for well over a year now, precisely for that reason.

 

Does anyone have any insight as to what developers/publishers have a higher likelihood of putting their games up on PSPlus at a certain point? Can you tell by a game's sales performance or age how likely it is to be added?

 

As @MattyP says, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's annoying when a game comes up that I've bought and not played, but I always buy them on sale anyway so it's no huge deal. If it's at a price point you are happy to pay, then grab it.

[Hitcher]

2 hours ago, Shimmyhill said:

It doesn’t, it is a design flaw as when horizontal there is a lip stopping it from moving but when vertical there is nothing sealing it other than some poorly applied sticky pad.

I still don't see how liquid metal at over 70°C is stopped by a lip.

[Shimmyhill]

8 hours ago, Hitcher said:

I still don't see how liquid metal at over 70°C is stopped by a lip.

 

Physics?

 

Its not bubbling away at that temperature or trying to T1000 - it will barely have any slip when vertical, the issue is the retention and protection not the Liquid Metal itself.

[MansizeRooster]

On 06/01/2023 at 22:40, Vorgot said:

 

As @MattyP says, I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's annoying when a game comes up that I've bought and not played, but I always buy them on sale anyway so it's no huge deal. If it's at a price point you are happy to pay, then grab it.

 

Well guys, last night I bought Doki Doki Literature Club, The Sinking City, and Signalis.

 

You're all welcome for their assuredly imminent appearance on PSPlus, but please spare a fleeting thought for the corresponding psychological catastrophe I'll be undergoing as direct result.

 

[Vorgot]

5 minutes ago, MansizeRooster said:

 

Well guys, last night I bought Doki Doki Literature Club, The Sinking City, and Signalis.

 

You're all welcome for their assuredly imminent appearance on PSPlus, but please spare a fleeting thought for the corresponding psychological catastrophe I'll be undergoing as direct result.

 

 

Think you'll be safe. I believe Sinking City was supposed to be on there at some point but there was some legal wrangling, but I could just have imagined that

[SeanR]

My recently rearranged console collection was in no way influenced by badly written clickbait referenced in this thread…

[smac]

Yeah, I'll probably move mine to be horizontal.

 

It'll mean moving the dining table out to make sufficient space…

[Alex W.]

On 06/01/2023 at 21:13, Shimmyhill said:

 

It doesn’t, it is a design flaw as when horizontal there is a lip stopping it from moving but when vertical there is nothing sealing it other than some poorly applied sticky pad.  I mentioned this problem months ago in this thread as its a very common repair for consoles that are vertical and the repair people are sealing them properly to prevent it

 

 

Some good pics there to show what happens.

 

FWIW my console is vertical, hopefully by the time Sony admit it and mine fails I’ll get some free games and a pad or something  

It’s not a design flaw. That’s just a new way for a console to be put together wrong. There are PS5s that fail because of bad capacitors, that doesn’t mean having capacitors in the console is a design fault.

 

Using liquid metal on a chip that’s not vertical has been a normal thing in enthusiast PC circles since before the PS5 existed. In those cases they don’t even have the safety moat.

[Shimmyhill]

1 hour ago, Alex W. said:

It’s not a design flaw. That’s just a new way for a console to be put together wrong. There are PS5s that fail because of bad capacitors, that doesn’t mean having capacitors in the console is a design fault.

 

Using liquid metal on a chip that’s not vertical has been a normal thing in enthusiast PC circles since before the PS5 existed. In those cases they don’t even have the safety moat.

 

I guess if it’s human error then no inherent design flaw as you rightly say - the issue is caused by putting too much Liquid Metal on and not securing the moat pad correctly, if by design they are using too much and a robot is doing it then I’m sticking with design flaw  

 

Its a different implementation to PC use as with a PC or laptop the guidance is to use a tiny amount and check and reapply regularly (some manufacturers say yearly) Its also mainly used for minimal gains when overclocking or extreme cooling - ideally you would delid the cpu and lap the block/heat sink before using. I wouldn’t suggest the use in PC market is comparable to the PS5 where its a bit silly really.

 

I used to be into a bit of extreme cooling and overclocking and always used a paste around the socket and even on the CPU when phase cooling, people who I know still in the PC overclocking world using Liquid Metal do similar or paint around the socket with a non conductive lacquer type product - belts and braces!

[Alex W.]

I don’t see that the PS5 situation is that different from the PC one - it’s a lidless SoC being run at a heavy (some would say misguided!) overclock which really needs the extra thermal transfer performance. That Sony have a formulation and encapsulation process that isn’t as prone to drying out as the PC aftermarket ones emphasises my point that this isn’t some clear design error. It obviously works well.

 

It’s got as much reason to be in there as the optical drive and I’d wager the TIM will have a much smaller role to play in the failure of consoles over the years than that barrel of moving plastic parts does. The fact this is only being noticed as a failure cause at all two years after the console’s launch and people scouring the internet for examples have found, like, four, seems to speak to that.

 

Of course if the inevitable dye shrink lowers the TDP enough for them to go to a more sane cooling system, I am sure the same people will crow about how this vindicates them.

[gooner4life]

On 07/01/2023 at 07:55, Shimmyhill said:

 

Physics?

 

It’s not bubbling away at that temperature or trying to T1000 - it will barely have any slip when vertical, the issue is the retention and protection not the Liquid Metal itself.

If the barrier and pressure of the heatsink wasn’t enough then we would have mass failures and peoples consoles would be overheating as they’d have no thermal transfer on large parts of the APU as it was leaking out the bottom. 
 

I call BS on the whole thing, might be leaking if people have dismantled the console 

[Hitcher]

It was all BS after all -

 

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Important update from Wololo: in the original version of this article, we misquoted TheCod3r as stating the problem could impact consoles that had never been unpacked. This isn’t what he said. What he said was that the console in question had never been opened (as in, with screwdrivers), he did not say, neither did he mean, “the box”, but literally, the console. This led to significant misunderstandings of the issue, by us, and the larger community. TheCod3r has a new video up on his channel where he addresses this. This was a significant misquote, and, although the damage is already done, we apologize for this.

 So you're fine unless you open up the console itself.

[Shimmyhill]

38 minutes ago, Hitcher said:

It was all BS after all -

 

 So you're fine unless you open up the console itself.

 

I take it you haven’t seen the video, well know you haven’t as thats not whats being said 

 

To clarify, Wololo misquoted him buy saying brand new never unboxed consoles he had taken out of the box as new and opened to find Liquid Metal damage - he never said that, he said that the consoles he had opened and found Liquid Metal damage had never been opened up before as in he had to break the security screw seals etc.

 

He goes on to say this isnt the odd one coming in with it and when he gets a PS5 in for repair its the first thing they look for now, its also the cheapest repair so should he be out to make money he would say it was another more expensive failure.

 

Edit, may as well quote the relevant end bit from Wololo given we have few people defending the honour of Sony on here;

 

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Liquid Metal Damage on PS5 – A Fake issue?

In response to the people who deny the issue exists, TheCod3r basically calls out the survivor bias from commenters. And I agree. Let’s imagine for a minute that this is impacting 0.1% of PS5 owners (this is a completely hypothetical number, again nobody knows the actual extent of the issue). You have a 99.9% chance of having no problem with your PS5. but that still means there are 30’000+ consoles out there with the problem. Relatively speaking, a small number, but in absolute, that’s quite big.

Console manufacturing history is littered with design issues or “cost-cut” measures that caused damages to the consoles. It’s interesting that so many people find it hard to imagine it could happen to this generation of consoles. As to why this is only being reported now, there are multiple possibilities. First of all, some of these repair shops have been calling on the issue for months, so it’s not a “new” issue, it just happened to become viral this week.

Secondly, it’s very possible that the issue gets more widespread with time, as it’s possible the damage takes time to happen in the console. After all, lots of tech sites recommend changing liquid metal every two years or so. However, gamersnexus say: “You should be more concerned about how well the liquid metal is applied than about its aging”. But unfortunately that is not something the user controls on the PS5

Conclusion

As we’ve mentioned in the previous article, most people will never experience the issue. So generally speaking, if you have no choice, it’s probably ok to have your PS5 stand vertically. But if it’s an option for you, and as long as Sony doesn’t address the question, better have it horizontally if possible.

* By the way as you probably noticed, the site has been hard to access over the past few days. Trying to solve the situation but it probably won’t get much better until this whole viral thing calms down a bit

 

[bear]

https://insider-gaming.com/playstation-5-version-7-00-update/

 

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Insider Gaming sources have provided information on what to expect with the upcoming PlayStation 5 7.00 update scheduled for March.

The update, currently scheduled for March 8, 2023 (as revealed by myself in August 2022) will include the full Discord integration that was revealed in 2021.

In addition to the Discord integration, sources have revealed that PlayStation 5 games will also be streamable on the PlayStation 5 via cloud streaming (to save that all-important drive space). It was said that this feature will be included in the PlayStation Plus Premium Tier. The feature, under the project name “Cronus” has been in development and testing for a number of months, sources revealed.

 

Look it may all be bunk but it's more interesting than liquid metal conspiracies. 

[Kayin Amoh]

Is there a easily readable and current list of what's on Playstation Extra? I see it's cheap right now until Friday, but it'd take some doing to reel me back in to a sub given I've barely used my PS5 aside from VF5 US.

[Uncle Mike]

I don't think so, no. The list on the main PS Store website isn't updated, and seems to be just a static list of what was due to be there when it launched. You can browse the catalogue on the PS5 easily enough, but it seems harder to do from a PC.

[Alex W.]

1 hour ago, bear said:

https://insider-gaming.com/playstation-5-version-7-00-update/

 

 

Look it may all be bunk but it's more interesting than liquid metal conspiracies. 

PS5 game streaming would be a big leap, but only allowing it for PS5 owners is a very Sony choice. It kind makes them seem a bit insecure about  the great white turd if they think PS4 owners would just sub to Premium instead of investing in the hardware. Conversely it’s probably a reasonably logical way to limit access to what is probably a very limited number of servers.

[Kayin Amoh]

1 hour ago, Uncle Mike said:

I don't think so, no. The list on the main PS Store website isn't updated, and seems to be just a static list of what was due to be there when it launched. You can browse the catalogue on the PS5 easily enough, but it seems harder to do from a PC.

 

Gah, feared this was the case. Thanks for confirming.

[Kayin Amoh]

Okay, so I went ahead and got Extra for a year for £40. My saves were being held hostage, and £40 isn't that bad to check out Returnal, Miles Morales and the like.

 

However, there's now TWO things happening with your cloud saves when you go to retrieve them. The old Upload / Download data, or 'View Sync Status' depending on the game. So I look at my copy of Fenyx Rising and choose the save in the cloud to be the one we're operating from.

 

'Right you are, skip' it says and fucking immediately overwrites my cloud save with the local one which has essentially no play time on it. Now I think I'll have to dig out my PS4 to get the save I wanted to use, assuming it's still on there.

 

Honestly, I'm finding the PS5 to be such a pain in the arse. 

[Darwock]

With the news that GT7 will be the full game in VR I went to the PS app to have a look at the current price. Coincidentally I noticed that the app tells me how much storage I have left, which is surprisingly low (146gb). Historically GT games have taken up an enormous amount of space, and needed even more than that for patching.

 

So I went to have a look at SSD prices (specifically Firecuda 530s as I don’t want to risk my own heatsink installation) and 1/2/4TB are priced at 20/40/100 thousand yen. Considering how quick that storage will disappear, I’m now thinking it would probably make as much sense to buy a second digital PS5 for VR use away from the telly and shift those games over to that one.

 

(This is partly fueled by the fact I don’t want to play VR stuff in shared areas of the house, but I don’t want to move the PS5 into my room either).

 

Of course there is the problem that you still can’t get consoles easily, but other than that I will need to think hard on this one.

[Strafe]

Factor in that you’d - if you wanted to and didn’t need/want a spare - be able to sell the new controller and get some money back that isn’t as bonkers a suggestion as you might think on first glance.

[roobarb]

Ok I've decided it's time to finally buy a PS5 with PSVR2 around the corner.

Can somebody please share any good deals they've come across?

I'm considering buying a 'brand new' one with additional controller from a FB marketplace seller hear me for £500.. is that a terrible idea?

[Hitcher]

Check Hot UK Deals.

[p1nseeker]

5 minutes ago, roobarb said:

Ok I've decided it's time to finally buy a PS5 with PSVR2 around the corner.

Can somebody please share any good deals they've come across?

I'm considering buying a 'brand new' one with additional controller from a FB marketplace seller hear me for £500.. is that a terrible idea?

 

Yes

[roobarb]

I saw sense don't worry.. bought from one of the HotUKDeals links to btshop. £539.98 for GoW bundle and extra controller seemed ok