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9 minutes ago, Stanley said:

It’s actually mad when you think about it - you can get All Access for £20 per month with hundreds of games, so an initial instalment of £20 against £440 for the cheapest PS5 with one game :blink: 


A huge thing is that joypads and such work on the Series S too. Local multiplayer on the cheapest PS5 is...Not cheap.

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The PS4 digital versions of launch games include a free upgrade on both PS5 consoles, while the PS4 disc versions of these games include a free upgrade on the PS5 with Ultra HD Blu-Ray disc drive.


 

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Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales (Insomniac Games) – US$49.99/¥5,900/€59.99(RRP)

Marvel’s Spider-Man: Mile Morales Ultimate Edition (Insomniac Games) – US$69.99/¥7,900/€79.99 (RRP)

Sackboy A Big Adventure(Sumo Digital / XDEV) – US$59.99/¥6,900/€69.99(RRP)


 

A free upgrade your say :sherlock:

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Everyone: "I'm worried Sony are going to go crazy with PS3-style pricing again."

 

Sony: "Actually, it's in the same price range as the Xbox."

 

Everyone: "Well done Sony! So what can you do to compete with Ga—"

 

Sony: "WORK A SECOND JOB TO AFFORD A GAME."

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7 minutes ago, Harsin said:

Bit weird that they’ve been banging the drum about just wait to see the experiences on PS5 only possible with our super duper SSD and stuff like Horizon being on PS4 as well it’ll probably amount to faster loading rather than any clever gameplay enhancements.

Yes. Exactly this. If Horizon 2 also comes out on PS4, by definition the game can't do anything that's impossible to do on a PS4. Simple as that.

 

 

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1 minute ago, pulsemyne said:

340 watts. RDNA 2 is very thirsty then. The Ryzen CPU in the machine will suck about 100 watts at most. Also it's quite a bit bigger than the Xbox series X.

 

The Xbox PSU is 315W according to the demos they did for folk like Digital Foundry earlier this year. Maybe they could say it's the world's most powerful games console.

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Just now, Cappuccino Kid said:

Everyone: "I'm worried Sony are going to go crazy with PS3-style pricing again."

 

Sony: "Actually, it's in the same price range as the Xbox."

 

Everyone: "Well done Sony! So what can you do to compete with Ga—"

 

Sony: "WORK A SECOND JOB TO AFFORD A GAME."

 

To be fair to them, they're not the first ones to have games with this pricing. Obviously the new standard pricing for the gen.

 

Also, are the folk who are gloating about Game Pass intending not to buy any games at all?

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21 minutes ago, Lying Cat said:

 

I don't think identical means what you think it means.

You know what I mean.  The leap from SD to HD offered a lot more than just the image quality upgrade.  We had 4:3 ratio TVs, big heavy CRTs and seperate Freeview boxes.  I have a Sony W8 55" flat screen and it looks great.  BluRays look and sound fantastic. I know 4K is better but it's not that much better (HDR is a better reason to upgrade I reckon).  The move from SD to HD meant everyone had a HDTV within a few years, but the jump from 1080p to 4K isn't enough to make me suddenly want to junk my current TV. 

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1 minute ago, Super Craig said:

 

To be fair to them, they're not the first ones to have games with this pricing. Obviously the new standard pricing for the gen.

 

Also, are the folk who are gloating about Game Pass intending not to buy any games at all?


I think that’s basically the plan, yeah. There is a lot of gaming on Gamepass.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Yes. Exactly this. If Horizon 2 also comes out on PS4, by definition the game can't do anything that's impossible to do on a PS4. Simple as that.

 

 


Same with all that bollocks about Miles Morales using the SSD. I can’t imagine how embarrassing it’s going to be for everyone who was going on about the amazing SSD only features of Ratchet and Wank when they announce that’s on PS4 as well.

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3 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

39cm confirms the PS5 as not fitting in my cabinet. The bastards.

 

The disk edition is actually only 1mm thinner than the shelf in my TV stand, which means with the horizontal stand base it definitely won't fit. I literally can't fucking fit the thing in to my life. :lol: 

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2 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

 

The Xbox PSU is 315W according to the demos they did for folk like Digital Foundry earlier this year. Maybe they could say it's the world's most powerful games console.

Strange then. Maybe it's because they are clokcing the GPU higher on PS5 to try and claw back some performance on the Xbox. Looks like MS may have made the smarter decision to go with more CU's than sony but clock them lower. Could also mean the PS5 runs rather hot.

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Gamepass has been a revelation for me. It's a big choice of good titles (Red Dead 2, Halo collection etc) and there's some stuff I'd definitely have bought at launch (Streets of Rage 4, Hotshot Racing). 

 

But the main thing is, if you have friends with Gamepass you all have the same games to try.  A group of us all played Hotshot Racing the other night and we had a great time, but I know that without Gamepass no-one in the group (apart from me} would have bought it.  We played World War Z, not the best game in the world but a lot of multiplayer fun we'd never have tried without Gamepass.  In summary, the beauty of Gamepass isn't just that you have 100 games to try, it's that all your mates do too and that makes it a game changer. I can totally imagine the S console becoming a dedicated Gamepass machine for a lot of people.

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1 minute ago, dumpster said:

You know what I mean.  The leap from SD to HD offered a lot more than just the image quality upgrade.  We had 4:3 ratio TVs, big heavy CRTs and seperate Freeview boxes.  I have a Sony W8 55" flat screen and it looks great.  BluRays look and sound fantastic. I know 4K is better but it's not that much better (HDR is a better reason to upgrade I reckon).  The move from SD to HD meant everyone had a HDTV within a few years, but the jump from 1080p to 4K isn't enough to make me suddenly want to junk my current TV. 

 

HDR is incredible. Going from a 1080p LCD (or LED, whatever they are) to a 4k OLED with HDR and watching stuff that actually used it was an enormous jump for me. I don't think anyone expects you to scrap your TV or anything, it's okay.

 

On the other hand, complaining that you're not seeing what's so fantastic about 4k footage that you're watching on a TV with a fraction of the pixel count, on YouTube with all the compression that brings is a bit of a weird take.

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1 minute ago, pulsemyne said:

Strange then. Maybe it's because they are clokcing the GPU higher on PS5 to try and claw back some performance on the Xbox. Looks like MS may have made the smarter decision to go with more CU's than sony but clock them lower. Could also mean the PS5 runs rather hot.

 

If it's using all that power it has to - watts in, watts out. And it presumably is using all of that power because the entire system architecture is about letting them keep a hard cap on the power consumption. That's the single most ominous part of the spec.

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3 minutes ago, dumpster said:

You know what I mean.  The leap from SD to HD offered a lot more than just the image quality upgrade.  We had 4:3 ratio TVs, big heavy CRTs and seperate Freeview boxes.  I have a Sony W8 55" flat screen and it looks great.  BluRays look and sound fantastic. I know 4K is better but it's not that much better (HDR is a better reason to upgrade I reckon).  The move from SD to HD meant everyone had a HDTV within a few years, but the jump from 1080p to 4K isn't enough to make me suddenly want to junk my current TV. 

 

I've sort of lost track of the argument you're trying to make, but Ofcom had 35% of households owning a 4K TV towards the end of 2019. That was up from only 17% in 2017, so it's not like it's not growing.

 

Now obviously that's most likely going to be the main TV in the living room in most cases, but I'd assume the market for the Series X and PS5 isn't immediately the kid's bedroom. 4K as a resolution might not offer the same clear improvement that HD and flatscreens did, I'd probably agree. But I think the new better screens are proliferating perhaps faster than you realise. 

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You know what, I know I said they didn't shit the bed, but the post-conference info dump has me prepared to call this generation for Microsoft. The game prices, PSU wattage and sheer mass of the thing lend credence to rumours about this thing's performance and manufacturing cost that I'd previously been very sceptical of.

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