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27 minutes ago, dumpster said:

I'm watching this on a 1080p TV and if they promoted this video as a look at the new PS4 games coming out before Xmas I'd be impressed.  But it doesn't look like all new hardware at all.  Like, it all looks 10% more powerful than current gen.

I’m watching on a Game Gear TV tuner and I can’t see what all the fuss is about tbh.

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3 minutes ago, rgraves said:

 

Have they? I've genuinely missed that if so, as everything I've seen (and I include the showcase just now) has been really unclear on it. It's been caveat city.

 

They said this in March:

 

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/03/18/unveiling-new-details-of-playstation-5-hardware-technical-specs/

 

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A quick update on backward compatibility – With all of the amazing games in PS4’s catalog, we’ve devoted significant efforts to enable our fans to play their favorites on PS5. We believe that the overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 titles will be playable on PS5.

 

We’re expecting backward compatible titles will run at a boosted frequency on PS5 so that they can benefit from higher or more stable frame rates and potentially higher resolutions. We’re currently evaluating games on a title-by-title basis to spot any issues that need adjustment from the original software developers.

 

In his presentation, Mark Cerny provided a snapshot into the Top 100 most-played PS4 titles, demonstrating how well our backward compatibility efforts are going. We have already tested hundreds of titles and are preparing to test thousands more as we move toward launch. We will provide updates on backward compatibility, along with much more PS5 news, in the months ahead. Stay tuned!

 

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The problem with digital is that the marketplace will reach a point where they don't need to sell you the benefits of digital any more and at that point you're trapped.  Think about how Netflix was so much better as they built their brand, but most new stuff is now 'Netflix Originals' where it used to be mainstream films that had been on the cinema.  As soon as they have their customer base and reputation, they can yank the carpet away from under you, increase the price of Gamepass and remove half the games, and charge you £70 a game and never have a sale. I'll take physical any day of the week.

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Well that was a mixed bag, some bits did look good, some not so much and still massive holes in the info.

 

Digital only console pricing is aggressive, less than I thought. Almost makes me consider it but I want one of my consoles to have a drive for UHD films.

 

PS+ Collection is a great shout (albeit very rushed from the looks of it). Annoyingly it quite closely resembles my PlayStation Store purchase history over the past 12 months since trying to catch up with exclusives :doh:

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1 minute ago, dumpster said:

The problem with digital is that the marketplace will reach a point where they don't need to sell you the benefits of digital any more and at that point you're trapped.  Think about how Netflix was so much better as they built their brand, but most new stuff is now 'Netflix Originals' where it used to be mainstream films that had been on the cinema.  As soon as they have their customer base and reputation, they can yank the carpet away from under you, increase the price of Gamepass and remove half the games, and charge you £70 a game and never have a sale. I'll take physical any day of the week.

 

That's not Netflix's decision - as soon as it became clear that the real money was in streaming, the major studios set up their own services and stopped putting their movies early-run on their new competitors. Netflix Originals was a reaction to that, not the cause. It's unlikely to be an issue so long as EA can't set up its own app store.

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6 minutes ago, the_debaser said:

Have they ditched PSVR then?

I was wondering that.

 

This showcase was just for the gamers who want shiner versions of what is already here. No real innovation or anything that gives any kind of wow factor for me anyway.

 

Nothing here for me at all. Oh well at least I don't have to pull any money together to get one of these. Or any of the new consoles for that matter. :( 

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1 minute ago, Alex W. said:

 

They said this in March:

 

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/03/18/unveiling-new-details-of-playstation-5-hardware-technical-specs/

 

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A quick update on backward compatibility – With all of the amazing games in PS4’s catalog, we’ve devoted significant efforts to enable our fans to play their favorites on PS5. We believe that the overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 titles will be playable on PS5.

 

 

When a pallform holder has to resort to language like "we believe" and "majority", it means it's not a slam dunk. Otherwise they'd say "the overwhelming majority *will*".

 

As I said, every time they mention it they include a bunch of caveats. They just don't sound confident for some reason. I mean, why not pull a MS in that showcase right now and say you'll have access to 1000's of PS4 titles on launch?

 

I'm sure loads of games will work - like Sony I *believe* that - but they've been far from bloody crystal clear on it.

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Just now, Alex W. said:

 

That's not Netflix's decision - as soon as it became clear that the real money was in streaming, the major studios set up their own services and stopped putting their movies early-run on their new competitors. Netflix Originals was a reaction to that, not the cause. It's unlikely to be an issue so long as EA can't set up its own app store.

..ok, but If there's only one store they have you over a barrel. PC has Steam, Epic etc and it leads to competition. Consoles don't have that.   Gamepass is brilliant and it's had me playing Xbox way more than PS4, but it feels suspiciously good... Like, it has Hotshot Racing on launch day  , Streets of Rage 4 on Launch day...  Surely they're building the brand and converting minds.  Once they have enough customers it won't need to be as good, especially when you have loads of customers who have no choice because their consoles don't take disks.

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1 minute ago, dumpster said:

..ok, but If there's only one store they have you over a barrel. PC has Steam, Epic etc and it leads to competition. Consoles don't have that.   Gamepass is brilliant and it's had me playing Xbox way more than PS4, but it feels suspiciously good... Like, it has Hotshot Racing on launch day  , Streets of Rage 4 on Launch day...  Surely they're building the brand and converting minds.  Once they have enough customers it won't need to be as good, especially when you have loads of customers who have no choice because their consoles don't take disks.


That’s fair and it’s why we need both Sony and Microsoft competing. Because otherwise the deal at the top end of console gaming will get worse.

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It's mad this transition - nobody seems to be honestly ready for it - they both seem to be rushing to go at the same as the other, when they both secretly don't want to.

 

I bet if you got both bosses in a room, they'd have happily shaken hands on a deal to delay all this nonsense until next year...

 

It's a bit underwhelming.

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4 minutes ago, sir stiff_one said:

No, no, you got me. 
 

I’m watching a 4K 60fps stream on a 65 inch OLED and to be perfectly honest, it looks quite impressive. Not mindblowingly so, but several base PS4 games already look so good in HDR.

 

 

Agreed and I'm sure it looks amazing for you. But if it takes the purchase of an OLED TV to see the real benefits, will this generation suit the mass market?  Maybe we will all have 4K TVs in a year or two but right now I'm not going to pay £450 for something that needs the purchase of a new TV to see any benefit.

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