PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[JPL]

21 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

 

https://apple.news/AP40Z5rR-QbGFhfVQ_MC97w
 

 

I thought they’d upped their launch production to 10 million or something? How many are they expecting to shift, it they have if they think there’ll be shortages?!

[JohnC]

Maybe stop taking rumours as fact.

[Alex W.]

That article is a load of bullshit you can ignore. Their own direct web store in the US warns that their own supplies are limited. Not “very limited”. Not shortages. Not hard to get elsewhere.

 

The launch allocation will probably sell out but you’ll be able to get them again before the end of the year and through in to 2021 without too much stress. Even with Wii level demand, 10 million in the first 4-5 months is plenty.

[Dirty Harry Potter]

You sound very confident there @Alex W. especially as Sony have very little info about anything, and manufacturing must be hard in the current climate. 

[Harsin]

I think the PS5 is likely to run into massive supply constraints, I also think that article is poorly researched horseshit full of unattributed ‘facts’.

[footle]

21 minutes ago, Harsin said:

I think the PS5 is likely to run into massive supply constraints, I also think that article is poorly researched horseshit full of unattributed ‘facts’.

made worse by their use of adjectives to add emphasis.

[JPL]

11 hours ago, JohnC said:

Maybe stop taking rumours as fact.

Who, me? I’m not taking anything as fact. I was asking whether they have actually upped their production run to 10 million, not stating it as fact.

 

You obviously seem to think that’s bullshit, Alex seems to think the opposite and Harsin seems to be somewhere in the middle. I wonder who’s right?

 

Not that I’m particularly arsed. I’m increasingly losing interest in getting either this or the Series X at launch. I’ll probably wait until sometime next year, when they’ll be easy to pick up anyway.

[Mr. Gerbik]

Maybe with the less than ideal marketing circumstances due to covid and the alleged high prices, both consoles could be easier to come by on launch day than usual?

[Harsin]

Covid has driven up demand for consoles.

[footle]

2 minutes ago, Harsin said:

Covid has driven up demand for consoles.

That was March and April when people still had disposable income. November might be quite different.

 

theyll still sell out though.

[Majora]

26 minutes ago, Harsin said:

Covid has driven up demand for consoles.

 

Remains to be seen whether they've driven up demand for potentially £450 to £500 consoles though. The base PS4 and Xbox still comfortably outsell the Pro/One X so along with Switch I'd say the evidence has only been there for sub £300 consoles so far. 

 

I have no doubt the PS5 will sell out at launch though. Now that Series X doesn't actually have any launch games I'm not sure about that one.

 

[JPL]

10 minutes ago, Majora said:

Now that Series X doesn't actually have any launch games I'm not sure about that one.

What, none? Nothing at all at launch? When did they say this, as I thought they hadn’t revealed their launch lineup yet?

[the_debaser]

13 hours ago, JPL said:

I thought they’d upped their launch production to 10 million or something? How many are they expecting to shift, it they have if they think there’ll be shortages?!

If they had made it half the size then they could’ve doubled production. Quick maths.

[Stanley]

29 minutes ago, JPL said:

What, none? Nothing at all at launch? When did they say this, as I thought they hadn’t revealed their launch lineup yet?

Well it was supposed to be Halo. 

[Mr. Gerbik]

Microsoft should make a deal with Konami to advertise the XsX launch without games. Have Solid Snake hold the console while saying "it's just a box" (available in stores now)

[Majora]

41 minutes ago, JPL said:

What, none? Nothing at all at launch? When did they say this, as I thought they hadn’t revealed their launch lineup yet?

 

I was being a bit facetious. They have The Medium I think? And the third party cross-gen stuff obviously. But they don't have a big exclusive tentpole game to launch the console with which I think is going to affect sales. 

[Stanley]

Series X is the weirdest fucking launch ever, we haven’t even seen a single game running on it yet. 

[Alex W.]

1 hour ago, footle said:

That was March and April when people still had disposable income. November might be quite different.

 

theyll still sell out though.

March and April was when sources were reporting that Sony had limited its initial PS5 order to 4 m units because the console was relatively expensive. The reports that they had doubled the order came out in July. It seems like an entirely plausible move for them to have made: the people who buy a £400-500 games console in the first six months are also the ones most insulated from an economic down turn.

And if they’ve doubled the order but misjudged that then you have a PS3 situation where they’re just going to sit on shelves, and reports of severe shortages are definitely going to look stupid.

[JPL]

9 minutes ago, Majora said:

 

I was being a bit facetious. They have The Medium I think? And the third party cross-gen stuff obviously. But they don't have a big exclusive tentpole game to launch the console with which I think is going to affect sales. 

I know, I was too. It is a bit of a shambles of a launch from both of them so far. I’m sick of them both playing chicken on the price and I want to know what they’ve got at launch. Like I said earlier, I’m losing interest by the day at the moment. It all just seems so half-arsed. Covid obviously hasn’t helped, so maybe they should have delayed it for a year.

 

I’ll probably change my mind if/when the hype machine kicks into full gear though.

[Mr. Gerbik]

As if, after years of being falsely accused with the "xbox has no games" meme all over the internet, Microsoft has decided to actually make an Xbox without any games just to own the haters.

[Down by Law]

Genuinely considering not getting a next gen machine at launch.. There's just absolutely fuck all i want to play. I've bought consoles I wanted on day 1 for the last 17 years and there's always been at least 3 or 4 games I want. 

 

Also the PS4 Pro and One X are no slouches. It's not like when I was playing Far Cry 3 at 20 FPS in 720p with bonus screen tearing in 2012, desperate for an upgrade. 

[JPL]

3 minutes ago, Down by Law said:

Also the PS4 Pro and One X are no slouches. It's not like when I was playing Far Cry 3 at 20 FPS in 720p with bonus screen tearing in 2012, desperate for an upgrade.

This is exactly it for me. I’ve not seen anything that’s made me think I need to upgrade yet and I’m having a brilliant time with my Xbox and PS4 at the minute.

 

The only thing that seems worthwhile is the fast loading of games and that’s not exactly exciting, is it?

[Alex W.]

8 hours ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

You sound very confident there @Alex W. especially as Sony have very little info about anything, and manufacturing must be hard in the current climate. 

Manufacturing isn’t hard just now - even Apple, who need to ship orders of magnitude more devices than Sony, have only delayed their iPhone plans by a few weeks.
 

You’re correct that there’s a lot of uncertainty right now. I’m not so much confident that I’m right, or that the specific scenario in that article is definitely wrong, but I’m confident that the information that is available points in a different direction from that article, and that much of the information in the article is explicitly fabricated.

[Jg15]

I think for those that bought the mid gen refresh consoles (like myself) you really have to consider what you are going to get out of early adopting this gen.

 

The majority of games are going to be cross gen to start with, will they look that much better than their Pro/X counterparts, probably not? 

 

Add in the Covid factor with increased risk of slippage and delays of big games meaning the next year, at the very least, is going to be lean to non existent on the true next gen experiences.

 

And, of course, there is always the risk of buying relatively untested hardware that might go kaput early.

 

Its just resisting the pull of owning a new shiny bit of kit.

[Stanley]

23 minutes ago, JPL said:

I know, I was too. It is a bit of a shambles of a launch from both of them so far. I’m sick of them both playing chicken on the price and I want to know what they’ve got at launch. Like I said earlier, I’m losing interest by the day at the moment. It all just seems so half-arsed. Covid obviously hasn’t helped, so maybe they should have delayed it for a year.

 

I’ll probably change my mind if/when the hype machine kicks into full gear though.

Ok pricing aside Sony have been on point with their delivery so far, especially considering the pandemic. They’ve shown four or five AAA first party titles all running on actual PS5 hardware, and they’ve shown both models of hardware. Yes it would be nice to know price and actual launch line up but it’s unfair to call it a shambles. Series X is a shambles though. 

[Mr. Gerbik]

Despite my grumpy complaining about both consoles, I'm still in for both. I love the smell of new hardware in the morning. And on PS5 we will at least have Miles Morales and probably also Demon's Souls. Which is already a bazillion times more good times than being stuck with just Fantavision and Tekken Tag and I don't even like Tekken. On the XsX there will be plenty of multiplatform stuff to be getting on with and to be honest, I'll probably be completely focused on Cyberpunk with better performance and loading times.

 

But in terms of hype? Are we absolutely sure that the hype marketing machine isn't already in full swing and what we're currently seeing is the best they can do at the moment? They both already had big big streams to showcase their shit. Was that nothing? Surely all the announcements so far were meant to be exciting? The fact that they weren't says it all about their current marketing capabilities. In terms of actual games the launch is pretty decent - it's the hype machine that's letting things down.

[JPL]

21 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Ok pricing aside Sony have been on point with their delivery so far, especially considering the pandemic. They’ve shown four or five AAA first party titles all running on actual PS5 hardware, and they’ve shown both models of hardware. Yes it would be nice to know price and actual launch line up but it’s unfair to call it a shambles. Series X is a shambles though. 

I don't agree. Maybe shambles was a bit strong, but they've both been pretty bad.

 

Son'y have designed a console only a mother could love. They kicked off their hype train in the worst way possible, presented by someone who I wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley. They might have shown off a few games, but we still don't know which are launch (not launch window) titles and we still don't know a price. Plus, there's all that convoluted nonsense over having to register for the chance to be put in a draw for the chance to maybe get a console, if you're lucky (in the US, at least).

 

MS came out swinging and kicked things off brilliantly. They had real confidence in what they'd created with Series X, but now they appear to have no games - the main point they've been hammered for this gen. We still don't know if there's a Series S. No price details and no launch date yet. Halo is obviously in a pretty bad state and we've not seen anything running on the actual console yet. Plus, their cross-generation bollocks seems to be harming developers and looks like a stupid move.

 

Both have been drip feeding us information with presentations that might actually be on a par with the Cerny talk and they're both obviously waiting for the other to reveal the price, totally killing any enthusiasm I had.

 

I know Covid has messed things up considerably, but it's been pretty bad from both of them to me.

[JPL]

That all sounds a bit negative!

 

So, saying all that, give it time and I think they'll both be absolutely amazing consoles. It just feels like the wrong time to be launching, but I can wait until things settle before jumping in.

[SeanR]

13 minutes ago, JPL said:

Sony have designed a console only a mother could love.

they don’t know how to do it any other way.

 

[Stanley]

55 minutes ago, JPL said:

I don't agree. Maybe shambles was a bit strong, but they've both been pretty bad.

 

Son'y have designed a console only a mother could love. They kicked off their hype train in the worst way possible, presented by someone who I wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley. They might have shown off a few games, but we still don't know which are launch (not launch window) titles and we still don't know a price. Plus, there's all that convoluted nonsense over having to register for the chance to be put in a draw for the chance to maybe get a console, if you're lucky (in the US, at least).

 

MS came out swinging and kicked things off brilliantly. They had real confidence in what they'd created with Series X, but now they appear to have no games - the main point they've been hammered for this gen. We still don't know if there's a Series S. No price details and no launch date yet. Halo is obviously in a pretty bad state and we've not seen anything running on the actual console yet. Plus, their cross-generation bollocks seems to be harming developers and looks like a stupid move.

 

Both have been drip feeding us information with presentations that might actually be on a par with the Cerny talk and they're both obviously waiting for the other to reveal the price, totally killing any enthusiasm I had.

 

I know Covid has messed things up considerably, but it's been pretty bad from both of them to me.

Fuck what it looks like, they’ve presented actual games running on actual hardware which are actually likely to come out, some of them, pretty soon. Pricing aside, which is an irritation, although excusable given the current climate, I’m not sure what else you could realistically expect.