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Ry

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I have registered with a few places but I plan on booking the day off work for release so would prefer to go to a shop early in the morning and actually get my hands on it. 

 

Don't want to waste a day hoping the delivery guy actually brings it in launch day. 

 

Same applies with XSX.

 

 

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Mr. Gerbik

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1 hour ago, Ry said:

I have registered with a few places but I plan on booking the day off work for release so would prefer to go to a shop early in the morning and actually get my hands on it. 

 

Don't want to waste a day hoping the delivery guy actually brings it in launch day. 

 

Same applies with XSX.

 

 

Usually I'm the same. Even though I went all digital for games, I still like the idea of picking my brand new console goodness up from ye olde gameshoppe. I already registered pre-orders for both late last year at my local.

 

However, circumstances have drastically changed since then. I'm both immunocompromised and I have a lung disease, and there's a big chance that we're going to be in a second/third/fourth wave of COVID in November. So at worst I won't be able to pick up my consoles, at best I'll be taking a huge risk standing in line.

 

So I'm currently waiting for online pre-orders to go live from Amazon and the like. I'd prefer picking up myself early in the morning but it is what it is :(

 

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2 hours ago, PeteBrant said:

Yes a pre-order is sale. The fact that some places only take the money at the point of shipment is irrelevant (you could cancel the contract at any point prior to shipment at get your money back if it is taken at point of ordering).  The key point is you are buying goods or services for an agreed price. Without the price, there cannot be a contract of sale. So no, you cannot have pre-orders without  a price.

 

You absolutely can, especially if the deposit is refundable.

 

Random example : Tesla with the Model 3 did exactly that.

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1 minute ago, Dudley said:

 

You absolutely can, especially if the deposit is refundable.

 

Random example : Tesla with the Model 3 did exactly that. . 

 

 

You can’t have a contract of sale without a price . Don’t really care what Tesla did or didn’t do . They might have offered people a chance to buy one at a unspecified price for a deposit . But then that’s not a contract of sale . Ie either party can pull out at any time . 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

 

You can’t have a contract of sale without a price . Don’t really care what Tesla did or didn’t do . They might have offered people a chance to buy one at a unspecified price for a deposit . But then that’s not a contract of sale . Ie either party can pull out at any time . 

 

 

 

Is a preorder a contract of sale then?

 

Seems there are soem that are and some that aren't especially if you aren't paying anything upfront.

 

EDIT - around the Switch release there were some etailers who "guessed" the price and took preorders on that basis. They turned out to be lower than the price when it was announced. Not all of those etailers honoured all of those "preorders". So in that instance there wasn't a contract of sale or a price at preorder stage.

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Disgraced Toblerone

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13 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

 

You can’t have a contract of sale without a price . Don’t really care what Tesla did or didn’t do . They might have offered people a chance to buy one at a unspecified price for a deposit . But then that’s not a contract of sale . Ie either party can pull out at any time . 

 

 

 

It’s still a contract, mind.

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6 minutes ago, Disgraced Toblerone said:

It’s still a contract, mind.

Course it isn't. You can't have a binding contract to agree to pay a indeterminate sum at an indeterminate date in the future for an indeterminate service.

 

15 minutes ago, Clipper said:

Is a preorder a contract of sale then?

 

Seems there are soem that are and some that aren't especially if you aren't paying anything upfront.

 

EDIT - around the Switch release there were some etailers who "guessed" the price and took preorders on that basis. They turned out to be lower than the price when it was announced. Not all of those etailers honoured all of those "preorders". So in that instance there wasn't a contract of sale or a price at preorder stage.

If you have an agreed service or goods for an agreed price, then yes it is a contract of sale. I.e. service or goods for an agreed sum of money, Pre-order generally allow you to cancel or refund prior to shipment.

 

Any agreement missing either what you are buying, or, the price you are paying, isn;t worth the paper it isn't printed on.

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Do consoles normally sell around 10%+ of their total lifetime sales at launch or first few weeks?

 

If not I wouldn't worry about availability given the reports of 10 million being manufactured and it prob not gonna be cheap.

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1 hour ago, Clipper said:

EDIT - around the Switch release there were some etailers who "guessed" the price and took preorders on that basis. They turned out to be lower than the price when it was announced. Not all of those etailers honoured all of those "preorders". So in that instance there wasn't a contract of sale or a price at preorder stage.

 

You say the retailers guessed a price and took pre-orders on that basis - so people who placed a pre-order were given a price (which turned out to be too cheap for the retailer), rather than it simply being £TBC. The terms in consumer sale contracts often permit the retailer to cancel the sale for specified "reasons". Which is why mis-prices are often not honoured even if the customer has completed the payment. Hence all those angry folk on HUKD going on about having paid with PayPal like it somehow forces retailers to honour a misplace when the contract (which no-one reads) says otherwise.

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4 hours ago, PeteBrant said:

How can you preorder without a price? Think about the practicalities of what you’re saying . 

 

£100 deposit, but you can cancel after the final prices are released?

Unless the cost is crazy they'd still sell out with few cancellations.

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1 hour ago, Uzi said:

Do consoles normally sell around 10%+ of their total lifetime sales at launch or first few weeks?

 

If not I wouldn't worry about availability given the reports of 10 million being manufactured and it prob not gonna be cheap.


only the bad ones...

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5 minutes ago, Vemsie said:


There's also a pre-show with Kyle Bosman that starts half an hour before it. Probably smaller games, but still. :)

 

The highlight there is Kyle Bosman!

 

Thanks will tune in for that - is there a particular youtube or twitch channel being used?

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28 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

I wonder if the peeps at insomniac are shitting a brick right now.... (based on the reaction that Halo Infinite got)... it’s either that or quietly confident..!!


30fps. Confident I reckon.

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Disgraced Toblerone

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1 hour ago, PeteBrant said:

Course it isn't. You can't have a binding contract to agree to pay a indeterminate sum at an indeterminate date in the future for an indeterminate service.

 

If you have an agreed service or goods for an agreed price, then yes it is a contract of sale. I.e. service or goods for an agreed sum of money, Pre-order generally allow you to cancel or refund prior to shipment.

 

Any agreement missing either what you are buying, or, the price you are paying, isn;t worth the paper it isn't printed on.

Fuck, I’ve been doing it wrong for 25 years.

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Surely you could have a binding contract that said you agreed to buy a PS5 provided the price was something reasonable and that it was released within a reasonable period of time? You have contracts without exact figures all the time. You might need a court to determine exactly what is reasonable, obviously.

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