PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[Alex W.]

Sony said just two weeks ago that they’re not delaying it. I think that’s a pretty clear answer.

[JPL]

What time’s the show, is it 7pm?

[PaB]

1 minute ago, JPL said:

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying, but as Gerbik says, I think they’ll sell out regardless. Plus, this is Sony we’re talking about.

What does it being Sony have to do with anything. You literally cannot have a contract of sale without an agreed price.

[Alex W.]

Just now, JohnC said:

Is there a set time for some Sony thing tonight then?

No, I don’t know where people are getting that from. This pre-pre-order scheme was announced today and that’s it.

[Mr. Gerbik]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Is there a set time for some Sony thing tonight then?

GamesCom is tonight, isn't it? Hence with the pre-order incentive launching yesterday and long-running rumours that Sony would announce the date at the end of August... But who knows.

[Alex W.]

They’re doing a new demo of R&C.

[JPL]

1 minute ago, PeteBrant said:

What does it being Sony have to do with anything. You literally cannot have a contract of sale without an agreed price.

Because they’re a bunch of crazy cats. Besides, a preorder isn’t necessarily a sale, is it? I’ve preordered loads of things without having to pay up front.

[rafaqat]

2 minutes ago, JPL said:

Because they’re a bunch of crazy cats. Besides, a preorder isn’t necessarily a sale, is it? I’ve preordered loads of things without having to pay up front.

 

With those though you've probably had a price that's guaranteed to not go higher but could go lower like amazon do. 

[Uncle Mike]

Have Gerbik and JPL just created a Sony show tonight completely out of their imaginations?

[PaB]

4 minutes ago, JPL said:

Because they’re a bunch of crazy cats. Besides, a preorder isn’t necessarily a sale, is it? I’ve preordered loads of things without having to pay up front.

Yes a pre-order is sale. The fact that some places only take the money at the point of shipment is irrelevant (you could cancel the contract at any point prior to shipment at get your money back if it is taken at point of ordering).  The key point is you are buying goods or services for an agreed price. Without the price, there cannot be a contract of sale. So no, you cannot have pre-orders without  a price.

[Steven]

2 hours ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

If Sony do a lottery in the UK (its going to piss me off but...) its a very clever marketing spin for Sony not having very many consoles at launch.

 

it will be the gaming equivalent of a golden ticket and will create a awful lot of buzz leading up to Christmas and beyond.

 

...or it could backfire and create bad will toward them at the end of a not so wonderful year. I certainly won't be arsed trying to track one down if they have ten allocated to each shop for launch. Still waiting to see what's going on with DS.

[JPL]

5 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

Have Gerbik and JPL just created a Sony show tonight completely out of their imaginations?

GamesCom tonight. I don't know about all this pre-order/price reveal stuff. I'm just excitedly getting dragged along with what people are talking about in here!

 

7 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

Yes a pre-order is sale. The fact that some places only take the money at the point of shipment is irrelevant (you could cancel the contract at any point prior to shipment at get your money back if it is taken at point of ordering).  The key point is you are buying goods or services for an agreed price. Without the price, there cannot be a contract of sale. So no, you cannot have pre-orders without  a price.

Fair enough. I just hope they give us the info tonight.

[Steven]

Because it's Gamescom, they're showing a bit of Ratchet and Clank on the Geoff Keighley thing. It's not a Sony event so I'd really temper those expectations.

[Mr. Gerbik]

11 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

Have Gerbik and JPL just created a Sony show tonight completely out of their imaginations?

GamesCom.

[Mr. Gerbik]

1 minute ago, Steven said:

They're showing a bit of Ratchet and Clank. That's it, I think.

The most impressive thing so far on either console, so I'm happy with that. 

[Uncle Mike]

I know it's GamesCom, but all we have is fucking Keighley having some "YouTube creators" coo over a new Ratchet and Clank demo, don't we? When are you expecting the release date/price megaton?

[joffocakes]

I reckon they're announcing Ridge Racer tonight.

[JPL]

4 minutes ago, Steven said:

Because it's Gamescom, they're showing a bit of Ratchet and Clank on the Geoff Keighly thing. It's not a Sony event.

Oh. I'll temper my excitement then. 

[Mr. Gerbik]

5 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

 When are you expecting the release date/price megaton?

In all honesty, two months ago

 

(Price and date aren't really megatons though, are they? That's just practical info)

[Girth Certificate]

15 minutes ago, joffocakes said:

I reckon they're announcing Ridge Racer tonight.

 

they should do a ratchet and clank SSD-o-matic Ridge Racer where you are basically playing every single ridge racer game at the same time and it switches between graphics and track layouts and shit on the fly (maybe in time with the music). Like before you die and your life flashes before your eyes except it's mostly ridge racer.

[Steven]

That said, Geoff has promised us two hours of World Exclusives, so, yeah, Ratchet and Clank is all your getting. Hey,  it might run out to have more interesting stuff that Sony and MS combined. Not exactly a high bar this year.

 

edit - He has now said it will be shit and not to expect anything exciting. 

 

[grounded_dreams]

So no new crazy announcements tonight at the event:

 

 

[Alex W.]

Just imagine the interactive flashbacks Hideo Kojima could do with an SSD. Or the Silent Hill reality swaps you could do. Or a Castlevania with parallel castles you swap even more quickly than in Harmony of Dissonance.

 

Boy do I wish Konami still made games.

[Alex W.]

Remember when Geoff demoed the controller on Astro Bot and there was so little that was interesting that they edited it down to five minutes and filled the rest of the half hour with an unedited PR chat.

[Uncle Mike]

It's a really nice public service of Geoff there to let us all know we don't need to suffer the show and can just watch the trailers and demos later on YouTube. Credit where credit's due.

[Steven]

Yep, just what I was thinking. Good lad.

[JPL]

I’ve just gone back and read the Verge article, so am I right in assuming that registration to be in with a chance of getting an invite to preorder means they don’t need to reveal the price until those preorders become active, which could still be a while off?

[Alex W.]

1 minute ago, JPL said:

I’ve just gone back and read the Verge article, so am I right in assuming that registration to be in with a chance of getting an invite to preorder means they don’t need to reveal the price until those preorders become active, which could still be a while off?

Probably a couple of weeks until pre-orders open at least, to give people time to register their interest.
 

They could announce the pre-order date before pre-orders actually open but I think it’s more likely they’d dump the launch information and open orders in relatively quick succession.

[instasis]

20 minutes ago, JPL said:

I’ve just gone back and read the Verge article, so am I right in assuming that registration to be in with a chance of getting an invite to preorder means they don’t need to reveal the price until those preorders become active, which could still be a while off?

 

It has gotten lost in the thread a bit, but someone did make the point that this is the US direct to customer store that Sony runs, holding this lottery against their own stock allocation.

 

Every other retailer could do this right now too. They're literally just creating a email marketing list.

[Steven]

Good messaging - it's probably out in November and we might let you buy one for a price we haven't decided on if you get lucky.