PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[Clipper]

staggered launch would be a bit of a shock to the system. When was the last properly staggered launch? i.e. more than a week or so.

 

PS3 launched  much later here than Japan and US as I recall.

 

Actually checking PS4 Launched in Japan a couple of months after EU and NA.

[Isaac]

58 minutes ago, FiveFootNinja said:

Interesting to hear how many of you have moved quite heavily towards digital. The really like the idea of it but in practice I only ever buy things in sales and still buy a lot of physical games. I just think it's too expensive and I'm not willing to faff about with buying credit in various discounted ways to make it viable when I can SimplyGames/ShopTo/Prime something next day. 

 

It's a shame but I just can't justify giving Sony/Microsoft £60 odd for a digital game that I know I can buy on a disc for £45 (and then trade in/sell if I decide I want to). There is no justification for it either so I suppose it's a bit of a moral stance from my point of view, why should I pay them 30% more than a game shop when there is no production, packaging and shipping costs, and no third party retailer cut being taken. If the platform holders made main releases £30-35 digital vs £45-50 physical it would be a no brainer. To be honest it's much like how I feel about train travel in this country... how can a bog standard train ticket (for a train carrying 100s of passengers in relative discomfort) justify being 3 times the price of the petrol to just drive yourself somewhere in your own car on your own schedule. Economics gone mad.

 

Digital is a bit different when you aren't buying the games outright, and are instead subscribing to a service full of games, like Netflix. There's nothing to trade in, just a small monthly fee.

[Sixkiller]

22 minutes ago, Mogster said:

Said faffing is basically exactly the same process. Go to ShopTo/Cdkeys and buy cheap credit, then use the credit on a digital game.

 

 

 

exactly this for me.  If, for example, I decide I want to buy something digital, I can order the PSN credit online and get instant delivery, then use that immediately on the store and start the download seconds later.  I've actually gravitated towards digital partly because I find that less faff than ordering from an online store and hoping that the delivery of the physical media happens on time / doesn't get cocked up / doesn't end up needing me to go to the sorting office to pick it up.

 

I also think a big part of it is that the disc offers no greater convenience when it comes to picking up and playing.  First world problems, etc. but with physical i have to actually get off my arse and switch the disc.  Then with download speeds these days (and the inevitable patches when you reinstall) there's no time benefit to using physical.  Then there's the risk that my 2 year old will snap the disc, as he did recently with "Man of Medan".  Luckily in that case he did me a favour, but he did that the week TLOU2 came out - imagine he'd done that and rendered it unplayable.  Little git can't break my PSN account  

[grounded_dreams]

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will be shown at the Opening Night of Gamescom

 

 

[Popo]

51 minutes ago, Mogster said:

Said faffing is basically exactly the same process. Go to ShopTo/Cdkeys and buy cheap credit, then use the credit on a digital game.

 

For me though, digital mainly means Game Pass and cheap games at sale prices. It's rare that I buy a game at launch.

 

The trouble with this is it'll always be within Sony's power to shut down those practices in the same way that Nintendo did with their recent edict to stop retailers selling codes for first party games cheaper than the eShop was selling them, and we are just relying on their good grace not to - wouldn't it?

[Kevvy Metal]

Can't unsee/unhear "Ratchet & Clank : Ripped a Fart" as pointed out by Kyle Bosman. 

[Escape]

2 hours ago, Alex W. said:

The execs in charge at that time still gripe about how much of a pain in the ass the Arcade version was, in terms of having to support it and get developers to support it. If they had any idea how much the PS3 was going to cost they definitely wouldn’t have bothered.

 

I was just thinking about that, and how the difference this time around is a console that's otherwise identical apart from output res. If there is such a thing. And at the right price I think it could put MS back on the equal footing of their 360 days. I'll be playing my next console on a 1080p screen anyway, with no plans to upgrade.

 

The 360 was so popular it overcame a lot the Xbox's exclusivity shortfalls. Tekken and Ridge Racer made the jump, for example. Sony don't have that advantage for the foreseeable, and if the PS5's expensive and noisy versus a cheap and quiet S...

 

Another Uncharted could turn my head if they remembered what made its original multiplayer so great. Or if certain games returned to being Sony exclusives. I'd like a Spider-Man game in the style of a Trials, placing a lot more difficulty on traversal as Spidey's key appeal. Where he can't attach to everything, with rain causing him to lose height as his webs slide down wet surfaces, or he goes into freefall if a cracked window or similar gives way.

 

By using a trigger for each arm you could do things like midair 360s, turning to his right and firing with your left arm, then waiting as gravity spins you 180 to fire with your right to complete the rotation. I think the first time we see lots of combo videos will be the first time they've nailed a Spider-Man.

 

The current game looks okay, but I didn't buy it because I know I'd find its automation and lack of sky-nipping danger boring. I remember trying to convince myself I'd had near misses to enhance my satisfaction in the PS2 game, when really I knew the game was handholding me. In much the same way as I find the Hulk boring, since he's only vulnerable as Banner and becomes almost unstoppable. I can't recall a sim approach to any superhero?

 

Wandered off into daydreaming a bit there, but TL;DR is that neither console has any games that interest me yet, while noise is a big selling point, and based on history I'm expecting MS to do better. If the S is real, cheap, and just 1080 instead of 4K I'll get one for Game Pass. Maybe a PS5 down the line when there's an updated model with a quieter fan and replacement wings available.

  

5 minutes ago, Popo said:

The trouble with this is it'll always be within Sony's power to shut down those practices in the same way that Nintendo did with their recent edict to stop retailers selling codes for first party games cheaper than the eShop was selling them, and we are just relying on their good grace not to - wouldn't it?

 

Lik Sang, aye. It makes sense for them to allow it for now to encourage our migration to online purchases, and I would expect them to put the boot in were physical no longer available.

[Mr. Gerbik]

9 minutes ago, grounded_dreams said:

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will be shown at the Opening Night of Gamescom

 

 

Is there any possibility that they could get this out in time for the PS5 launch? Or is it definitely later? I know PS5 already has a comparative decent alleged lineup with Miles Morales and DeS remaster but those are 'just' upgrades (even if it's a new campaign in MM). Ratchet is one of the most next-gen looking things shown so far and would give Sony an actual killer app while the competition has literally nothing.

[Uzi]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Is there any possibility that they could get this out in time for the PS5 launch? Or is it definitely later? I know PS5 already has a comparative decent alleged lineup with Miles Morales and DeS remaster but those are 'just' upgrades (even if it's a new campaign in MM). Ratchet is one of the most next-gen looking things shown so far and would give Sony an actual killer app while the competition has literally nothing.

 

 

They will want to spread out their games to have a strong first 12 months so if DeS and MM come out at launch - extremely unlikely. DeS is a complete ground up reworking which looks pretty next gen and has raytracing and MM is coming off one of the most popular and well liked PS4 exclusives.

 

They don't need Rachet at launch if those two pop up - it would already be an insane launch in comparison to previous cycles

[Alex W.]

Y’know, it doesn’t have a release window at all yet, and it would be an ideal title to demonstrate what the console could do. I think if they’d already ruled out 2020 when they revealed it, it would’ve been listed as 2021, so I guess at that stage there was still the possibility.

 

I suppose we’ll see in a couple of days.

[Mr. Gerbik]

Oh and in response to the discussion. I'm going all digital. On the Xbox that's easy because Game Pass is absolutely brilliant. But I'm also already full digital on PS4 and will continue to do so on PS5. I never sell my games, I like keeping them all. But nowadays I can't be arsed with faffing about with physical, or with it taking up space. I discovered Steam during the 360 era and the convenience was amazing. Now both consoles still aren't quite as convenient as Steam circa 2010, but they're good enough.

 

Also, if you wait for sales you never need to pay extra for this convenience. But I admittedly also game share, so digital on day one is a lot cheaper for me than physical on day one anyway.

 

Edit: and nowadays if you're buying physical, you're still downloading the entire game anyway after a few 10 / 20 GB patches.

[FiveFootNinja]

1 hour ago, Isaac said:

Digital is a bit different when you aren't buying the games outright, and are instead subscribing to a service full of games, like Netflix. There's nothing to trade in, just a small monthly fee.

Totally. To clarify I'm talking about purchasing retail launch games rather than subscription services. In a previous post I mentioned I'm on game pass and I'd be potentially up for a driveless Series S or something primarily for that. However I'd definitely want one of my consoles this generation to have a drive so I have the option for physical for non-GP (Sony) and third party stuff (and also a decent drive for films my TV). If Sony made PS Now as good as GP with all their exclusives, etc... bundled in at launch I'd be much more tempted to go digital only.

 

 

Re: Comment about "Said faff"... please don't take that the wrong way, it's not a criticism and if it works for you then great (I "faff" about loads of things in my life). My point is that even going through that process - for me personally - doesn't bring the price down enough to tempt me into digital titles at launch still. Thinking about it I've never actually really bought an expensive digital game (the closest I came was Fallen Order on a big discount in a Boxing Day sale) and only really use game pass and sales/indie games/big titles a lot later (e.g. God of War for £15). I do get it though, I really like having my catalogue of downloaded stuff on GP there to play whenever the mood takes me. I think with most big games I also tend to start them and then focus on them solely until I'm done so often a physical disc just stays in the console until it's finished with.

[Mogster]

10 minutes ago, Popo said:

 

The trouble with this is it'll always be within Sony's power to shut down those practices in the same way that Nintendo did with their recent edict to stop retailers selling codes for first party games cheaper than the eShop was selling them, and we are just relying on their good grace not to - wouldn't it?

 

Nintendo stopped the sale of game codes, not credit. Cutting off credit would lead to a lot of people not using digital services altogether, so I can't see that happening. I mean, technically Sony could do that, just like they could decide not to license any more physical games, but it's very unlikely.

 

That wouldn't stop me buying digital anyway. It would just make me even less likely to buy premium priced games at launch.

[Mr. Gerbik]

2 minutes ago, Uzi said:

 

 

They will want to spread out their games to have a strong first 12 months so if DeS and MM come out at launch - extremely unlikely. DeS is a complete ground up reworking which looks pretty next gen and has raytracing and MM is coming off one of the most popular and well liked PS4 exclusives.

 

They don't need Rachet at launch if those two pop up - it would already be an insane launch in comparison to previous cycles

Fair enough. Just having ray tracing isn't "next-gen" to me though. Presumably DeS is still roughly the same game but prettier. Ratchet actually looked like it wouldn't be possible on the previous gen, know what I mean? 

 

DeS is one of my all-time favorites btw, I'm not hating on the game and I'm definitely buying it.

[Steven]

Back to digital v disc for a minute, I was despairing of the updates for MW and fancied just going back to the original for a few rounds of TDM without the hassle. I checked the XB store and it was £34.99 (same on PS). With a disc I had the option of selling it and putting that towards a copy at half that price somewhere else or swapping it with someone in trading (which I did). With digital, I'd be stuck with a game I didn't want to play and having to pony up a piss-taking price for an old game.

[Mr. Gerbik]

1 minute ago, Steven said:

Back to digital v disc for a minute, I was despairing of the updates for MW and fancied just going back to the original for a few rounds of TDM without the hassle. I checked the XB store and it was £34.99 (same on PS). With a disc I had the option of selling it and putting that towards a copy at half that price somewhere else or swapping it with someone in trading (which I did). With digital, I'd be stuck with a game I didn't want to play and having to pony up a piss-taking price for an old game.

To be completely fair, it's only CoD and Nintendo games that stay stupid expensive even years later. The vast majority can be had for great prices digitally if you're willing to wait.

[Escape]

Just now, Mr. Gerbik said:

I'm going all digital. On the Xbox that's easy because Game Pass is absolutely brilliant.

 

The all-digital problem is that players aren't as uniform as many believe. There's no way I'd pay full price for GPU as I only buy the odd game nowadays. £70 for 30 months, sure, but if you play the same few games for several years you don't want them taken away. There's no way I'd bother with PS+ if I didn't have to for online play.

 

So yeah, GPU is still value at full price for heavy gamers, but I'll be wanting to just buy a couple of discs (or cheap credit if there's no drive) for the S, and then hopefully playing online without the Gold sub.

[Uzi]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Fair enough. Just having ray tracing isn't "next-gen" to me though. Presumably DeS is still roughly the same game but prettier. Ratchet actually looked like it wouldn't be possible on the previous gen, know what I mean? 

 

DeS is one of my all-time favorites btw, I'm not hating on the game and I'm definitely buying it.

 

Ray tracing (as much as it may not bother some) is technically as next gen as a feature gets as it gets given it is not possible on current hardware. The implementation is yet to be seen but DeS in its PS5 form would not be possible on PS4/Xbox One X hardware due to this.

 

See videos of xbox one/PS4 Control vs RTX maxed out on PC to see what a huge difference it makes. Its why they're releasing a next gen version of it - the old version of Control was baked flat lighting wise which is a huge component for not only graphics but immersion.

[Steven]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

To be completely fair, it's only CoD and Nintendo games that stay stupid expensive even years later. The vast majority can be had for great prices digitally if you're willing to wait.

 

Another example was on Gamepass the other week. I'd started downloading Phantom Pain a few months ago and let it finish as I fancied another go. After downloading, I found out it has left GP and would now cost £42.99. You can buy it for under a fiver on disc. Obviously my XB has a disc drive but if I was all digital, once again, I'd be limited by their choices. You can wait for a sale, in this case it has now come down to  £16.99 for the next six days, which is still ridiculous, given the age of the title. In most circumstances, if your willing to wait, you can get the same or a better deal buying physical.

[Alex W.]

Buying a digital game outside of a sale is like buying a physical game outside of a sale. There’s just no point unless you need it that day. The MGS5/V complete experience bundle is £6 on PSN every other month.
 

Physical game launch prices at online stores are terrific though, and I’d be disappointed if they went away.

[Ghosty]

10 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

Buying a digital game outside of a sale is like buying a physical game outside of a sale. There’s just no point unless you need it that day. The MGS5/V complete experience bundle is £6 on PSN every other month.
 

Physical game launch prices at online stores are terrific though, and I’d be disappointed if they went away.

 

The day that I am unable to buy a physical disc, is when I stop buying. £65 for a digital day one release? Pass.

[Ghosty]

Suspossed rumoured list of PS5 prices

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Ghosty

[Steven]

£29 for a game has my bullshit sensor on high alert.

[HarryBizzle]

You should probably clarify that it's a rumour.

 

I can believe those prices though. Have been thinking £350/£450 for the digital/normal.

[Girth Certificate]

a hundred dollars/pounds/euros difference between versions but only 5000 yen (like £36) in japan? sounds like bollocks. 

 

Japan hates spider-man cos he's blaaaaaaaaaaaack

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, Steven said:

£29 for a game has my bullshit sensor on high alert.

I've not really kept up, but isn't that a sort of standalone add-on, like that Infamous thing, rather than a full game? That was also relatively cheap, wasn't it?

 

Not that I'm arguing these prices are the real deal.

[metallicfrodo]

I'd be amazed* if the digital PS5 costs the same as a 1TB PS4 Pro

 

*but happy if it was the case.

 

[Hitcher]

1 hour ago, grounded_dreams said:

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will be shown at the Opening Night of Gamescom

 

 

So what we saw before wasn't the actual game?

[Mr. Gerbik]

19 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

 

The day that I am unable to buy a physical disc, is when I stop buying.

And subscribe to Game Pass instead, right?

[Hitcher]

1 hour ago, grounded_dreams said:

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will be shown at the Opening Night of Gamescom

 

 

So what we saw before wasn't the actual game?