PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[teddymeow]

Still funny.

[Harsin]

Doesn’t look the real person has a Twitter account, but there are about a load of parody ones, presumably created hoping they’ll become the next KazCEO account now that guy retired.

[Super Craig]

He's still going:

 

 

[Popo]

Definitely a fake account. Dude has six fingers on one hand (assuming he only has one thumb - citation needed).

[Broker]

Are 4K TVs the majority of the market now? I’m really surprised nobody is talking about what all the extra hardware power will do for people who aren’t playing at 4k

[JohnC]

I assume it will do nothing extra when playing at a lower resolution. Resolution aside, they would probably say they want the "experience" to be the same for everyone on a given console. Especially if there's any multiplayer element.

[Broker]

If either of them offered improvements for 1080p I’d be way more likely to buy it. 

[Hello Goaty ♥]

I've stopped buying " Telly's " for gaming now anyway. I'm on Computer Monitors these days. Thats for consoles as well.

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, Broker said:

If either of them offered improvements for 1080p I’d be way more likely to buy it. 

Did any of the previous ones do anything similar? Genuine question. I can't recall the HD consoles offering anything extra in other areas for SD users.

[Dudley]

2 hours ago, SeanR said:

TV ads  during  the game!?!

 

Given they introduced an advert length "drinks break" during games it's only a matter of time.

[Kevvy Metal]

35 minutes ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

I've stopped buying " Telly's " for gaming now anyway. I'm on Computer Monitors these days. Thats for consoles as well.

What computer monitor would you recommend for console use? Genuine question. 

[Broker]

41 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Did any of the previous ones do anything similar? Genuine question. I can't recall the HD consoles offering anything extra in other areas for SD users.

I doubt it, can’t really remember how I felt about it at the time but I think SD to HD was a much more obvious and worthwhile upgrade than HD to 4K. That’s part of why I asked about uptake rates, Maybe 1080p isn’t really relevant anymore anyway.

 

I guess I should be more worried about a repeat of all the problems SD users had with consoles they’d been told they could use on their old TVs.

[HarryBizzle]

Isn’t the whole point of the Xbox Series S to offer a next generation experience at 1080p?

[Petrousgyre]

55 minutes ago, Broker said:

If either of them offered improvements for 1080p I’d be way more likely to buy it. 

 

I assume both will render at 4k (ish) and downsample to 1080p. This process is known as supersampling and is the most effective form of anti-aliasing there is. The SSD's should eliminate pop-in, load times and see news possibilities in game design allied with much faster CPU's. There's spacial audio stuff too. I'd say 4K is the least interesting thing the next gen of consoles will do from a technical perspective.

[JohnC]

Maybe with all the venting at the top of the Xbox, it'll keep a cup of tea warm, if that's a consideration.

[Broker]

Nice!

[SeanR]

1 minute ago, Broker said:

Nice!

 

Bourbons!

[HarryBizzle]

On the Giant Beastcast today, they said that they've heard that the PS5 might actually be more expensive and Sony have less wiggle room on price. That's the second time I've seen or heard that come up but I can't really figure out why. Aren't they pretty similar but the Series X is more powerful? I would have thought that would be the more expensive one based on that.

 

[Disgraced Toblerone]

4 hours ago, rafaqat said:

 

Half time?   Seems to always have big name brands on

Fuck, I’ll have to watch TV ads for the first time in years I guess.

[Harsin]

22 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

On the Giant Beastcast today, they said that they've heard that the PS5 might actually be more expensive and Sony have less wiggle room on price. That's the second time I've seen or heard that come up but I can't really figure out why. Aren't they pretty similar but the Series X is more powerful? I would have thought that would be the more expensive one based on that.

 

I think the theory is that Sony has done some custom things with the SSD and cooling solution that may drive up price, while MS went for a more straightforward approach and that MS has deep pockets when they want to gain traction in a sector and might be willing to take a hit.

[Alex W.]

26 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

On the Giant Beastcast today, they said that they've heard that the PS5 might actually be more expensive and Sony have less wiggle room on price. That's the second time I've seen or heard that come up but I can't really figure out why. Aren't they pretty similar but the Series X is more powerful? I would have thought that would be the more expensive one based on that.

 

The PS5 has a smaller and cheaper GPU, but a similar CPU, a far more advanced and presumably expensive SSD, and a bunch of fancy hardware to manage it. So I’d believe it if the actual silicon turned out to be quite expensive. It’s also physically very large, and whatever is occupying that space - coolers, fancy moulded plastic, some sort of endoskeleton - costs money to make.

 

That controller’s not going to be cheap to manufacture either.

[Kevvy Metal]

1 hour ago, Broker said:

I doubt it, can’t really remember how I felt about it at the time but I think SD to HD was a much more obvious and worthwhile upgrade than HD to 4K. That’s part of why I asked about uptake rates, Maybe 1080p isn’t really relevant anymore anyway.

 

I guess I should be more worried about a repeat of all the problems SD users had with consoles they’d been told they could use on their old TVs.

After a recent acquisition of the forum favourite LG OLED TV, I can confirm that that jump - from 1080p LED to 4K OLED HDR - is the biggest fidelity jump I’ve ever witnessed. It looks fucking amazing. 
That’s keeping new purchase hype in check, and I even have a PVM CRT for SD stuff so defo picky  

[Qazimod]

2 hours ago, Broker said:

Are 4K TVs the majority of the market now? I’m really surprised nobody is talking about what all the extra hardware power will do for people who aren’t playing at 4k

 

60fps.

 

Well, probably not. But I moved my Destiny 2 character from PS4 to PC and I noticed the frame rate much more than I expected to. I'd take a new gen of more HD60 games over shinier 30fps things. Maybe. 

[Alex W.]

Be interesting to see how well the performance modes in Miles Morales and Whatever Souls Remade are received.

[bear]

1 hour ago, HarryBizzle said:

On the Giant Beastcast today, they said that they've heard that the PS5 might actually be more expensive and Sony have less wiggle room on price. That's the second time I've seen or heard that come up but I can't really figure out why. Aren't they pretty similar but the Series X is more powerful? I would have thought that would be the more expensive one based on that.

 

Based on what they've said about each console I'd put it down to one of three things:

 

1. Whatever custom silicon they are using for the super speedy SSD is pushing prices up a lot. 

 

2. The prices for superfast SSDs aren't falling as quickly as they anticipated or maybe the prices for Series X level SSDs is falling quicker than they predicted. 

 

3. The GPU. The PS5 has a weaker GPU but they seem to be running it as fast as they possibly can, with a clock speed that's higher than anything AMD are selling right now. A quick look at the 5700xts on sale at Overclockers (not a site endorsement) suggests that they run at around 1750mhz normally and 2000mhz in boost mode. The PS5s GPU is supposed to be running 2230mhz as often as possible. We know the PS5 is going to be running on newer architecture than the 5700xts but that's still got to generate a lot of heat and I wouldn't be surprised if the chip yields for PS5 are lower than Series X which has a lower clocked GPU.  

[Stanley]

49 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

Be interesting to see how well the performance modes in Miles Morales and Whatever Souls Remade are received.

Whatever Souls? Man, a little bit more reverence

[Alex W.]

I just couldn’t remember whether it was King’s Souls or Demon Field or Armored Blood or whatever. They’re all important and memorable games with good titles.

[Stanley]

[Hello Goaty ♥]

2 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:

What computer monitor would you recommend for console use? Genuine question. 

 

Any gaming  monitor really!

 

4K if you need it i suppose.   I dont care about it.

Heres a basic example - Amazon's Choice and it's 4k https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-VP28UQGL-FreeSync-Ergonomic-Certified/dp/B07TZSSYWL/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=gaming+monitor+28"&qid=1597436396&sr=8-2

[Uncle Mike]

1 hour ago, Alex W. said:

The PS5 has a smaller and cheaper GPU, but a similar CPU, a far more advanced and presumably expensive SSD, and a bunch of fancy hardware to manage it. So I’d believe it if the actual silicon turned out to be quite expensive. It’s also physically very large, and whatever is occupying that space - coolers, fancy moulded plastic, some sort of endoskeleton - costs money to make.

 

That controller’s not going to be cheap to manufacture either.

 

I guess you might even find that the supposedly-doubled manufacturing order might be in service of trying to obtain a lower per unit price.