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Uzi

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3 minutes ago, Harsin said:

It has nothing to do with any particular brand. People who already have an unhealthy amount of loyalty to a particular brand will always be even worse if they perceive they’re on the ‘losing’ side in the imaginary console sports league in their head. Go back to the PS3 launch on here and you’ll see exactly the same kind of small group making fanboy posts banging on about media bias and whatnot when everyone was lolling about giant enemy crabs and Lair (remember Lair?).

 

I remember the one dude on the 1up podcast who was so pro sony it was pretty funny to listen too - Shaun something? He fucking LOVED LAIR

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HarryBizzle

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2 minutes ago, Uzi said:

 

I remember the one dude on the 1up podcast who was so pro sony it was pretty funny to listen too - Shaun something? He fucking LOVED LAIR

 

I think Shane Bettenhausen. He now works for Sony in biz dev or something like that.

 

It's been quite nice to see where some of the people from 1Up have ended up. Luke Smith basically running Bungie is not one I would have predicted.

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5 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

 

The sad part on that front is that Sony being behind MS on backward compatibility.  Playstation has a much richer back catalogue. Unless Sony can spring a lovely surprise on us.  The PS5 should be powerful enough to do good BC for everything.

When random internet people with no documentation can do a better job you know it's not a priority.

 

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HarryBizzle

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9 minutes ago, Harsin said:

I never got the love for 1up they always came across as an assortment of the worst shills imaginable. This is kind of borne out by how many of them are now poachers turned gamekeeper.

 

I think they were some of the first people to go big on podcasting and you really got a sense of their staff's personalities. I don't think I had seen anything like that before. You got to know what people liked and disliked, and whose recommendations to take on, etc.

 

You might remember them as schills, but at the time Dan Hsu's interview with Peter Moore caused a big fuss, and the podcast where they got Dennis Dyack on and he basically crucified one of their staff for daring to dislike the E3 demo of that awful game he made was just crazy.

 

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The 1Up Show was also brilliant. I used to absolutely love watching that and would love to see a similar kind of show now.

 

 

 

edit: Found that interview:

 

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EGM: Wouldn't you be pissed if you paid $400 for a new console and many of its games looked only marginally better than their current-gen equivalents?

PM: You wanna call out some games? Because I'm not gonna call out any games.

EGM: The 2K Sports games. Amped 3. Tony Hawk. Need for Speed. Gun. King Kong. People can argue they're not getting that big nextgen leap in graphics. On top of that, you're asking consumers to pay an extra $10 for these games. To quote you, "Next-generation games will combine unprecedented audio and visual experiences, create worlds that are beyond real, and they'll deliver story lines and gameplay so compelling that it'll feel like a..."

PM: "...lucid dream."

 

http://www.the-magicbox.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15974

 

I'd be more than happy for a return to that kind of games journalism.

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Alex W.

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12 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

 

The sad part on that front is that Sony being behind MS on backward compatibility.  Playstation has a much richer back catalogue. Unless Sony can spring a lovely surprise on us.  The PS5 should be powerful enough to do good BC for everything.


Sony have two reasonable excuses for this: the PS3 and PS2 were absurd consoles that are probably still challenging to emulate (PS Now contains racks of PS3 chips); and the PS1 and PS2 back catalogue predates online distribution. (Yes, you could put in physical disks, but those are scarce.)
 

Getting the Xbox 360 to work on the Xbox One was an impressive technical achievement, but there was already a huge content store and active contact with the publishers of every listed title. You can see the contrast when you see how many Xbox games work on Xbox One, by comparison. (Can you even play the disks or do you have to buy new copies?)

 

Now, Sony did a commendable job is getting publishers to dig up PSone titles for the PSP, PS Vita and PS3, and get some of them running on each of those platforms, but that dried up years ago, and it’s not clear to me that publishers are all that keen to revisit it. Maybe PSone Classics didn’t sell well enough to justify the effort. I don’t know. But it was something that would need a push on Sony’s side that I don’t think they’re in the mood for.

 

It’s a shame, there is a legacy there as you say (I want to be able to download and play Gitaroo Man, or Apocalypse, or Hogs of War) but it’s not a legacy that’s necessarily easy to capitalise on.

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Alex W.

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10 minutes ago, Darhkwing said:

Has it been made Official yet that Silent Hill is coming? Apparently it was supposed to have shown up during the Ps5 game reveal but was absent for some reason.


That was a rumour, and one that I don’t think is terribly likely to come true.

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Saying Sony don’t have vocal fanboys takes quite a narrow view of the Internet, imo. Maybe not on rllmuk, but even as someone who doesn’t actively read any gaming websites I still see the same amount of rabid nonsense on Twitter, Reddit, the comments under Digital Foundry articles/videos, etc. It’s there, it’s just a lot less prevalent here.

 

The glimpses I get of the level of discourse outside of this forum do make me glad I get pretty much all of my gaming news from here.

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RE: Silent Hill. There was a supposed leak of what would be appearing in the State of Play that featured Silent Hill, but as they've confirmed it isn't for PS5 games that's been shown up as bollocks before it even happened.

 

Konami tweeted the Silent Hill 2 siren the other day, but it was supposed to have been inspired by watching Dead by Deadlight streams and they apologised for "firing people up".

 

That account also made reference to a recently set up Silent Hill Twitter account that nobody seemed to be aware of. So far that's been used to tweet about Dead by Deadlight w/ Silent Hill stuff and fan art. 

 

There's either something coming or they're unintentionally trolling the fanbase. They're probably building up to an announcement for a new Pachinko machine

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1 hour ago, Darhkwing said:

 

Oh it's coming alright. :ph34r:

 

I'm thinking Sony might be putting up the funds for Silent Hills to happen with Kojima Productions. I'd imagine if the cash is there, Konami will be happy to let someone else keep him on track if needed.

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Konami couldn't care less about Silent Hill. Everything past 4 was a cheap and cheerful cash-in, and they've been happy to make a mess of the lore to get some cheap fan-service that'll sell a few more copies.

 

Ideally I'd have them get a decent Japanese team on it, keep the original trilogy, and reboot the series from 4 onwards.

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39 minutes ago, mansizerooster said:

Konami couldn't care less about Silent Hill. Everything past 4 was a cheap and cheerful cash-in, and they've been happy to make a mess of the lore to get some cheap fan-service that'll sell a few more copies.

 

Ideally I'd have them get a decent Japanese team on it, keep the original trilogy, and reboot the series from 4 onwards.

 

Kojima's next is supposedly a horror title. When his Silent Hill game was announced, people were really buzzing about the demo and how scary and special it felt. Why not just carry on with that? Konami get paid, Sony have the task of keeping things on track, Kojima makes another game with Norman Reedus, the game is likely very good and the franchise gets a shot in the arm.

 

I just feel if they are doing Silent Hill, after P.T, anything less will just seem a missed opportunity.

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54 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

I can only assume that no “big” PS5 means we’re definitely getting the price tomorrow and it’s going to cost much less than we think. 

 

or there's a small form-factor version. a more anonymous black box version, for discerning gamers.

 

A "small" PS5 announcement.

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Looks like it’ll be easy to mod a little light up PS logo in to it at least.

 

The guy behind the 60fps Bloodborne mod tweeted rather matter of factly (and later deleted) that there won’t be a whitelist for PS4 games on PS5. Sony’s testing everything but you can just go ahead and try whatever games you want. Which if true would be a vote of confidence for how compatible it is.

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1 hour ago, Alex W. said:

Looks like it’ll be easy to mod a little light up PS logo in to it at least.

 

The guy behind the 60fps Bloodborne mod tweeted rather matter of factly (and later deleted) that there won’t be a whitelist for PS4 games on PS5. Sony’s testing everything but you can just go ahead and try whatever games you want. Which if true would be a vote of confidence for how compatible it is.

That's how it worked on my OG UK PS3. It wasn't pretty...

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5 minutes ago, layten said:

That's how it worked on my OG UK PS3. It wasn't pretty...

 

Didn’t the original compatibility software render every fourth group of pixels upside down and Sony said it was meant to look like that?

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12 hours ago, Jg15 said:

At this moment in time I would happily take an original Silent Hill remake, nothing captures the essence of the series than the first two games for me.


The rumours are that it's made by key people who worked on the first SH, including its director. Whether it's true or not remains to be seen.

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Lol at the pro consumer champions, Microsoft, the company of £100 operating systems, bundling Internet Explorer with everything, billion dollar military contracts and PRISM.
 

Not saying that Sony ain’t about the dirty greed, but their anti-consumer practices amount to inconveniencing an individual’s capitalist choices and pushing people to buy more shiny electronics whereas Microsoft’s ambitions are legit about shaping everyday society or training the US army to be better at drone-striking Middle East weddings.

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Alex W.

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20 minutes ago, mikeyl said:

Lol at the pro consumer champions, Microsoft, the company of £100 operating systems, bundling Internet Explorer with everything, billion dollar military contracts and PRISM.
 

Not saying that Sony ain’t about the dirty greed, but their anti-consumer practices amount to inconveniencing an individual’s capitalist choices and pushing people to buy more shiny electronics whereas Microsoft’s ambitions are legit about shaping everyday society or training the US army to be better at drone-striking Middle East weddings.


This is a whole other conversation but those aren’t anti-consumer moves by Microsoft? The whole problem is that you can set up a genuinely effective and well regarded consumer business that is also an arm of the military-industrial-entertainment complex.

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