PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[Haribokart]

The PS4 triggers are shit now? How so?

[footle]

Played my first game with required haptics: the Touryst has one puzzle that requires them. google is full of people with vibration turned off having problems.

[JPL]

1 hour ago, Broker said:

I’m in total agreement that haptics and fancy triggers will probably be shit, but I think it’s possible that the boring third feature might be the one they think is important to guarantee all users having access to. 

What’s the boring third feature?

[footle]

25 minutes ago, JPL said:

What’s the boring third feature?

microphone. Particularly important in the local multiplayer scenario where you might want more than one controller.

[Haribokart]

52 minutes ago, footle said:

microphone. Particularly important in the local multiplayer scenario where you might want more than one controller.

 

I totally don't see the point in this or what it is ever going to be used for. Surely the quality would be terrible for voice chat? If so it will basically be exclusively used for DS style gimmicks. I never really saw the point is the DS4 speaker either, which I eventually just disabled. 

[joffocakes]

I figured the Dualsense's microphone was mostly gonna be intended for voice commands in the OS.

 

Glad they're making a point of keeping gyro but I hope more games actually allow you to make use of it. Makes aiming much easier.

[SeanR]

brb, playing Hey You! Pikachu! and SeaMan...

[Alex W.]

It's a microphone array, apparently, and those can actually be far better than you'd expect single mics of that size to be. There's some teeny mics on my office laptop bezel that work together to pick me up clearly from six feet away.

[wretcherd]

We've already seen the mic used for blowing into, like on the DS. Doubt that sort of thing will be widely implemented though.

[Hitcher]

49 minutes ago, wretcherd said:

We've already seen the mic used for blowing into, like on the DS. Doubt that sort of thing will be widely implemented though.

I fucking hope not!

[wretcherd]

8 minutes ago, Hitcher said:

I fucking hope not!

On the DS I used to tap the plastic housing with my fingernail and it did the same job.

[gooner4life]

6 hours ago, Peb Kacharach said:

If I can’t use my Dual Shock 4 with PS5, I may as well buy a Series X, so I can continue to play all my favourite 360 games on Game Pass!

 

Not with your 360 controller you wont!

[gooner4life]

16 hours ago, HarryBizzle said:

The features are a built in microphone, adaptive triggers and haptic feedback - described as basically being HD rumble. Anyone waiting on seminal gameplay dependent on these features can PM me about some very special beans I have for sale. 
 

Because if you want to do any PS5 local multiplayer at all, you need to buy new £50 pads.

 

Why is this a thing now? it's always been the case that you buy the controllers for the console you're playing on.

[footle]

1 hour ago, gooner4life said:

 

Why is this a thing now? it's always been the case that you buy the controllers for the console you're playing on.

Recession. Broad compatibility of the underlying hardware and protocols. Competition isn’t doing it. Controllers are a nickel and dime exercise. Plastic and electronics waste. For local multiplayer* it seems astonishingly unlikely that the new features of the controller will be essential, see also:

- waggle

- pressure sensitive buttons

- meaningful uses of the touch sensitive pad (which at least had the advantage of being an extra input)

etc.

 

lots of reasons.

* solved by the switch in shipping two controllers for which local multiplayer games can be optimised

[Darwock]

5 hours ago, gooner4life said:

 

Why is this a thing now? it's always been the case that you buy the controllers for the console you're playing on.

Fanboy reasons. One-up-manship. Point scoring.

[womblingfree]

I have such great memories of using my N64 controller on my Gamecube, my rubbish PS3 pad on my PS4 and my Kempston Pro with my Amstrad E-Mailer.

[the_debaser]

The DS4 is shit anyway. The battery on mine lasts about 2 hours these days. And who wants to use a manky old controller on a new machine?
 

While Sony are at it, consigning the DS4 to history, they should reconfigure their new pad to have the face buttons the correct way around, like the way Nintendo do it. 

[Alex W.]

3 minutes ago, the_debaser said:

While Sony are at it, consigning the DS4 to history, they should reconfigure their new pad to have the face buttons the correct way around, like the way Nintendo do it. 

 

?

[Popo]

25 minutes ago, womblingfree said:

I have such great memories of using my N64 controller on my Gamecube, my rubbish PS3 pad on my PS4 and my Kempston Pro with my Amstrad E-Mailer.

I loved using my Master System pads with my Megadrive - the C button was just a gimmick that developers ignored anyway. 

[Stanley]

Sony having exclusives of any kind is anti consumer. 

[Quest]

Come on now, framing any criticism as console warring is a bit weak. I don't see anyone here losing their minds over either of these decisions.

[Stanley]

3 minutes ago, Peb Kacharach said:

Is this sarcasm?

Of course. This whole discussion is just being fed by the media. 

[Captain Kelsten]

The Xbox Series X being able to use Xbox One controllers is a nice quality of life feature, especially for those of us who have custom controllers.

 

The PlayStation 5 not doing this is normal practice and not, therefore, something to whine about.

 

The end. 

[MansizeRooster]

Sony having exclusives is anti-consumer is a bit rich. It's one of their main strengths.

 

Also, Microsoft in recent years made a big hoo-ha about buying tons of studios, precisely so they can have tons of exclusives too.

 

The whole thing is absolute nonsense.

[Stanley]

7 minutes ago, Doctor Shark said:

The Xbox Series X being able to use Xbox One controllers is a nice quality of life feature, especially for those of us who have custom controllers.

Definitely, it’s a nice side effect of their main objective which is to remove as many barriers as possible for people signing up to Game Pass. 

[Harsin]

31 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Sony having exclusives of any kind is anti consumer. 

Sony paying to snaffle up timed exclusives (like Spider-Man In Avengers or what MS did with Tomb Raider or Sony and Destiny 1/2 for the entirety of this generation), just to deny it someone on another platform for a while, is a shitty practice that needs to go away.

 

I'm assuming you mean that, as if you mean Sony having exclusives like Last of Us 2 or Ghost of Tsushima that would be a completely WTF opinion.

 

EDIT: Ah sarcasm detector is broken.

[Stanley]

Note to self: be more obvious when using sarcasm. 

[teddymeow]

6 hours ago, gooner4life said:

 

Why is this a thing now? it's always been the case that you buy the controllers for the console you're playing on.

 

Because Microsoft have done it with the One to Series X so "obviously" Sony should follow suit.

 

Despite the fact that Sony are treating PS5 as a new generation whereas Microsoft (to start with) are looking to bridge the gap between generations with back-cat and having certain future games playable on all Xboxes.

 

I don't remember people kicking off because The Duke wasn't usable on the 360 or the SNES pad wouldn't plug into the N64.

[Stanley]

Personally really looking forward to the new PS5 pad, the haptic feedback sounds really cool, hopefully its battery is much better too, but the thing that interests me most is the mic, being able to issue voice commands would be cool. Also interested to understand more about the ‘create’ button and how they expand upon the share feature. 

[Harsin]

38 minutes ago, Quest said:

Come on now, framing any criticism as console warring is a bit weak. I don't see anyone here losing their minds over either of these decisions.

Heh, I can see you're new to the fight rookie. I'm a veteran of multiple console wars. I crept across no-man's land to the C64 trenches, clutching nothing but 128 kays. I sat shivering in the Dreamcast flotilla as we fled the Kutaragi war machine. I sweltered in the jungles as a member of an elite XBL unit pulling hit and run attacks on Cell convoys. So take a seat and listen up. What they won't tell you in boot camp is that console wars are ugly and you got to get down in the dirt if you want to come home. Your commanding officer tells you that the Duke controller being large is funny, but you think it doesn't look that bad, you still get out there and post a picture of it on the back of a truck like it's the funniest goddamn thing you've ever seen. Hell, these is just skirmishes, wait until the Digital Foundry front opens up. I was at the Battle of the Blurry Carpet in Ghostbusters and still get flashbacks. Just stay low, keep your stock of memes fully loaded and you might see your best girl again.