PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[Uzi]

Yeah legacy stuff being supported is cool but I'm really not concerned at not being able to use old plasticy ds4s for all the local multiplayer parties I'm not having 

[Bojangle]

 

43 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

Ah, I should probably point out an assumption I’ve made them - haptic feedback and force triggers, like rumble on the current gen consoles, is without a shadow of a doubt, completely optional, it will be mandatory to allow users to disable it for accessibility reasons, and games will be expected to pass certification with those features disabled.

There's no TRC or XR for these features having the ability to be turned on/off. Similarly there's no mandate that you have to use x feature of the pad or console, though if you DO support something like Smart Delivery, or a feature of the DS5, it is considered a spotlight feature which means you're more likely to get a marketing push from either platform holder.

[footle]

4 minutes ago, Bojangle said:

 

There's no TRC or XR for these features having the ability to be turned on/off

 

Which is interesting, because being able to turn haptics off is probably something that could be litigated on under accessibility legislation.

[Alex W.]

I’m genuinely surprised about that, since they started putting vibration white knuckle warnings* in controller boxes back in the day and it had become so ubiquitous I had assumed platform holders were requiring it.

 

I am still convinced that it will be optional with limited exceptions if only from convention. 

*I don’t recall a parental panic around controllers with rumble, it just seemed to happen that you’d have warnings about it in the instructions. Am I remembering that correctly? No rumble pak scares?

[rafaqat]

6 hours ago, Alex W. said:

Yeah probably, I was taking the piss a bit. Maybe £30-35 because of inflation.

 

It is/was a solid piece of kit. Real heft to it.  Takes the negative of crap battery out of the equation as you're not waiting to charge if you buy two controllers.

Not great that you need to buy two controllers to manage the battery but the bigger PS5 controller should hopefully have a bigger battery.

 

@Haribokart Rather than go and tear up every post I make can you not just ignore me instead?  This is getting ridiculous.  You've been banned for this multiple times now.

[SeanR]

11 hours ago, Sarlaccfood said:

Can’t believe no PS5 stuff in this Thursday direct.
 

Wtf are they doing.

it’ll make MORE people watch. You know, in case the secretly include ALL THE PS5 infos!!!

 

or they got nothing...

[Quest]

4 hours ago, Alex W. said:

*I don’t recall a parental panic around controllers with rumble, it just seemed to happen that you’d have warnings about it in the instructions. Am I remembering that correctly? No rumble pak scares?

 

I recall something of this sort, but I might be confusing it with the players who claimed they'd injured their hands rotating the analogue stick in Mario Party.

[Calashnikov]

2 hours ago, SeanR said:

it’ll make MORE people watch. You know, in case the secretly include ALL THE PS5 infos!!!

 

or they got nothing...

If it’s got more RE VIIIage it’ll be the best one of these direct type thingmies this summer since the last one that had RE VIIIage in it.

[Flanders]

They can double down on the survival horror theme with a 20 minute Bugsnax demo.

[David Kenny]

5 hours ago, rafaqat said:

 

It is/was a solid piece of kit. Real heft to it.  Takes the negative of crap battery out of the equation as you're not waiting to charge if you buy two controllers.

Not great that you need to buy two controllers to manage the battery but the bigger PS5 controller should hopefully have a bigger battery.

 

@Haribokart Rather than go and tear up every post I make can you not just ignore me instead?  This is getting ridiculous.  You've been banned for this multiple times now.

Nobody is making you buy another controller, or a charging station. You've obviously decided it was better to spend that money, than to put up with only four contiguous hours of gaming. It's certainly not required.

[bear]

I don't think I'd go as far as baffling but I'd agree with the point he makes in that thread. I simply don't see what harm it does to let developers choose if they want to support the DS4 for some games instead of blocking them which seems to be Sony's position. Most people would still just upgrade to the Dual Sense anyway. 

[Uncle Mike]

I think that misunderstands how a cross-gen title like Fortnite would work. It's not like the Xbox Smart Delivery, is it? You'd have a PS4 version, that would work via BC, might get patched to be better on BC, but would still be a PS4 game. Then there might be a PS5 version but it would be a separate game as far as the OS is concerned. If you didn't want to source a new controller, you'd just carry on playing the PS4 version via BC.

[bear]

They haven't clarified how free to play stuff is going to work as far as I know. You might still be able to play the PS4 version in BC mode or they might force you to use the PS5 version. 

 

I don't think it changes the original point of the tweet. 

[Uncle Mike]

Being incorrect changes it quite a lot, I'd say.

[Down by Law]

Can we get a show of hands the number of eager PS5 buyers in this thread concerned about playing Fortnite in split screen ? 

[bear]

2 minutes ago, Down by Law said:

Can we get a show of hands the number of eager PS5 buyers in this thread concerned about playing Fortnite in split screen ? 

Because that's clearly the important thing. Would it work better if he namechecked Rocket League? 

 

I'm clearly wasting too much time on something I don't actually care much about. I just think it's kinda needless on Sony's part. 

[Down by Law]

3 minutes ago, bear said:

Because that's clearly the important thing. Would it work better if he namechecked Rocket League? 

 

I'm clearly wasting too much time on something I don't actually care much about. I just think it's kinda needless on Sony's part. 

 

Couch co-op has sadly gotten rarer as years have gone by and Fortnite can be played for free on almost any piece of hardware at this point. The amount of PS5 , same screen co-op Fortnite players put out by the fact they need a second controller to do so is going to be so remote its almost a complete non-issue.

[Uncle Mike]

4 minutes ago, bear said:

Would it work better if he namechecked Rocket League? 

 

It'd be the same with Rocket League though. It's just an incorrect issue to raise, I think. They're not going to unify the software into single titles like MS are, as far as I know. They'll have separate entries for PS4 and PS5. 

 

I think his later tweet that you didn't link to, where he points out that there'll be titles you can play on PC/Stadia with a DS4 and not on PS5, is valid. But it's not the point you linked to. There's nothing to indicate that PS4 titles will be patched to "become" PS5 native ones.

[Uncle Mike]

I've played Rocket League online with couch co-op, it would be annoying if that somehow stopped working for no reason. I just don't think it's on the cards.

[Alex W.]

1 hour ago, Uncle Mike said:

I think that misunderstands how a cross-gen title like Fortnite would work. It's not like the Xbox Smart Delivery, is it? You'd have a PS4 version, that would work via BC, might get patched to be better on BC, but would still be a PS4 game. Then there might be a PS5 version but it would be a separate game as far as the OS is concerned. If you didn't want to source a new controller, you'd just carry on playing the PS4 version via BC.

 

No, people get patched up to the PS5 version, just like on Xbox. (That's what Bungie, Ubisoft etc. are promising for their PS4 titles, at least.) They just didn't give it a special name.

 

Edit:

 

https://support.ubisoft.com/en-GB/faqs/55850

 

 

[Uncle Mike]

There's free upgrades, but I'd be surprised if they amalgamate the software. Sony are always doing weird shit with all their separate versions.

[HarryBizzle]

9 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

I've played Rocket League online with couch co-op, it would be annoying if that somehow stopped working for no reason. I just don't think it's on the cards.

 

Even if this were true (why would Sony want to create confusion on their store by letting you buy PS4 games which have PS5 versions?), it just means people will have to choose between playing worse versions of games or buying new controllers to access the free upgrade they’ve been given. 
 

I don’t see how any of this can be seen as anything but anti-consumer. 

[AI]

I would imagine PS5 specific titles won't be able to use DS4, whilst cross-gen games could use either. Seems the obvious answer.

[Alex W.]

1 minute ago, Uncle Mike said:

There's free upgrades, but I'd be surprised if they amalgamate the software. Sony are always doing weird shit with all their separate versions.

 

I doubt that even Sony in their boundless inscrutability would let you install a PS5-boosted version of a PS4 title and the PS5 version of the same title at the same time, but even if they do, having cross-gen games where the PS4 version supports more controllers than the PS5 version is going to be a bit of a farce

[Alex W.]

2 minutes ago, AI1 said:

I would imagine PS5 specific titles won't be able to use DS4, whilst cross-gen games could use either. Seems the obvious answer.

 

It does seem obvious, but this seems pretty definitive:

 

 

Cross-gen isn't exactly a great criterion either. Assassin's Creed Valhalla and Cyberpunk will pointlessly let you bring along your Dual Shock 4, but some 4-player PS5 party game won't? Maybe just cross-gen multiplayer games?

[AI]

How does that contradict what I just said?

[Uncle Mike]

8 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

I doubt that even Sony in their boundless inscrutability would let you install a PS5-boosted version of a PS4 title and the PS5 version of the same title at the same time, but even if they do, having cross-gen games where the PS4 version supports more controllers than the PS5 version is going to be a bit of a farce

 

I think that's exactly what they'd do. They crazy.

[Alex W.]

It's like I was saying earlier, doing backwards compatibility but not forwards compatibility makes everything much more of a headache than it needs to be.

[Broker]

I’m in total agreement that haptics and fancy triggers will probably be shit, but I think it’s possible that the boring third feature might be the one they think is important to guarantee all users having access to. 

[Ry]

27 minutes ago, Broker said:

I’m in total agreement that haptics and fancy triggers will probably be shit, but I think it’s possible that the boring third feature might be the one they think is important to guarantee all users having access to. 

 

The triggers are the same design as PS4 pad. So yes, they will be shit.