PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[Eighthours]

1 hour ago, PeteBrant said:

Imagine not understanding inflation .

How much are Blu-Ray movies now compared to DVDs in 2000? How much are albums on CD now compared to the mid-90s? I’ll wait.

[Stanley]

@Pob I’m not suggesting the parts cost more, I just think it’s naive to think that they will only charge the bare minimum extra for its inclusion. So I think anyone only expecting a £50 price difference between the two is going to be disappointed, on the other hand it does make the digital version more attractive from a price perspective if it’s £100 cheaper. 

[PaB]

25 minutes ago, Eighthours said:

How much are Blu-Ray movies now compared to DVDs in 2000? How much are albums on CD now compared to the mid-90s? I’ll wait.

How much does going to a movie at the cinema cost ? How much does going to a football match cost ? How much does a round of golf cost? What’s a pint cost ? whats the average wage ? What’s the average house price ? How has your Netflix sub price changed ? 
 

just because Blu-ray and cds have remained at a fixed price doesn’t mean you can apply that to everything . 
 

the costs of producing games  if everything remains on 2000 terms has gone up inline with inflation , I mean that’s indisputable .
Then you factor in Productivity improvements cancelled out by the huge increase in what is being delivered ; purely from a measure of data that is being shipped it is a order of magnitude higher . 

[Stanley]

UHD Blu-rays cost about thirty quid. 

[Down by Law]

The demand for DVD's , Blu Rays and CD albums dropped off a cliff though. 

[Stanley]

6 minutes ago, Down by Law said:

The demand for DVD's , Blu Rays and CD albums dropped off a cliff though. 

Understandable really when streaming is so much more convenient and cheaper. 

[Down by Law]

Yeah totally. If there were no other options you can guarantee HMV would gladly be selling us CD's at £19.99 a pop by now.

[Harrisown]

I got Rocket League on plus for “free” And it turns out it’s probably the best game ever made and it’s full of Micro Transactions Of which I have bought absolutely zero of despite playing every single day.

 

Free to play is huge these days.

Sony and Microsoft finally understand digital sales.

 

I really do think there is opportunity for everyone to get on gaming next gen if they manage to pick up a console reguardless of the game RRP.

on day one we will probably be spoilt with content to play with Via Plus, free to play, backward compatibility, ps now and demos.

Who knows...they might even do full game trials where you download the whole thing and play the first 2 hours. Great for those people who are skeptics of a games worth.

[SeanR]

 

[Stanley]

It’s weird in that respect how specialist stuff such as vinyl or UHD Blu-rays have risen in price in line with inflation, and streaming is cheap and mainstream, whereas games are the opposite, digital is still way more expensive. 

[SeanR]

15 minutes ago, Stanley said:

It’s weird in that respect how specialist stuff such as vinyl or UHD Blu-rays have risen in price in line with inflation, and streaming is cheap and mainstream, whereas games are the opposite, digital is still way more expensive. 

they can’t undercut bricks and mortar Retailers while they’re still required to sell the hardware.

[Petrousgyre]

24 minutes ago, Stanley said:

It’s weird in that respect how specialist stuff such as vinyl or UHD Blu-rays have risen in price in line with inflation, and streaming is cheap and mainstream, whereas games are the opposite, digital is still way more expensive. 

 

That's not quite true though, Kindle books can be more expensive than physical books, it can certainly be more expensive to stream a film from Amazon than to buy the Blu-ray or DVD. The simple fact is that companies sell a product for what the market is prepared to pay for it, very little else enters the equation. 

[Stanley]

52 minutes ago, SeanR said:

they can’t undercut bricks and mortar Retailers while they’re still required to sell the hardware.

I don’t see why not, no one buys games from them anyway, and they could still sell the codes. I think it’s more that there’s no competition because it’s a closed system with one store and they control the pricing - so they charge as much as they can. 

[Stanley]

46 minutes ago, petrolgirls said:

 

That's not quite true though, Kindle books can be more expensive than physical books, it can certainly be more expensive to stream a film from Amazon than to buy the Blu-ray or DVD. The simple fact is that companies sell a product for what the market is prepared to pay for it, very little else enters the equation. 

Generally speaking the digital option is usually the cheapest. 

[Ghosty]

4 hours ago, Harrisown said:

I don’t really want to get into a “Harry’s toP £55 games” debate but upon release GTA V and RDR 2 would make the list absolutely.

 

Yeah I guess you could say they would be worth that price, well perhaps £50. But even that looks and sounds expensive. £45 on the otherhand, not so bad.

[womblingfree]

3 hours ago, HarryBizzle said:

The point is about the price of games, not the spending of PeteBrant. Microtransactions make up 40% Of Take 2’s revenue, so the idea that inflation can be used to hand wave a price increase (or that this is anything other than a cynical early adopter tax) is clearly flawed. 

That makes sense that games with micro transactions should be cheaper, if not free but doesn’t make any sense for games that don’t use them.

 

I’ve gotten about 200 hours from The Witcher III and GTA V. Had I spent £55 at launch that would have been about 27p for every hour of play. The fact I paid about twenty quid brings that down to 10p an hour. Now most games don’t offer anywhere near that length, but if you don’t buy any old crap, they still compare very favourably to other forms of media in terms of what you get for your money, even if you pay full-whack. Which I never do.

 

They try and hike-up the prices every gen but launch games rrp still seems to be about fifty of sixty quid, which is what the rrp was on some SNES cartridges back in the early nineties! The fact that after a year or two they cost the same as Spectrum games cost in 1983 is bonkers.
 

I think ultimately we’ll all be moving to subscription services anyway, with or without the option to actually buy individual games.

[Ghosty]

42 minutes ago, womblingfree said:

That makes sense that games with micro transactions should be cheaper, if not free but doesn’t make any sense for games that don’t use them.

 

I’ve gotten about 200 hours from The Witcher III and GTA V. Had I spent £55 at launch that would have been about 27p for every hour of play. The fact I paid about twenty quid brings that down to 10p an hour. Now most games don’t offer anywhere near that length, but if you don’t buy any old crap, they still compare very favourably to other forms of media in terms of what you get for your money, even if you pay full-whack. Which I never do.

 

They try and hike-up the prices every gen but launch games rrp still seems to be about fifty of sixty quid, which is what the rrp was on some SNES cartridges back in the early nineties! The fact that after a year or two they cost the same as Spectrum games cost in 1983 is bonkers.
 

I think ultimately we’ll all be moving to subscription services anyway, with or without the option to actually buy individual games.

 

It shouldn't be about how long it takes to complete at all. How a game makes you feel while you play it is the upmost importance to me. A game could last 10 hours, however if it made me smile or laugh. Perhaps even applaud how indigenous a puzzle or level design was then it's worth the money. Except £50.

[Dudley]

It's certainly a component, the Resi 3 remake seems to be about 1/3rd the length of 2 for what seems like a roughly comparable game for instance.  That's a bit shit.

 

But absolutely, it's thinking like that's made people think 3 hour long films in the cinema are somehow a good thing.

[footle]

1 hour ago, petrolgirls said:

 

That's not quite true though, Kindle books can be more expensive than physical books, it can certainly be more expensive to stream a film from Amazon than to buy the Blu-ray or DVD. The simple fact is that companies sell a product for what the market is prepared to pay for it, very little else enters the equation. 

kindle books had VAT on them until recently. I can find the occasional example where an older book in paperback is a few pence cheaper, but it’s taken me a while.

(and at this point the paperback is massively discounted from its initial RRP)

[Kevvy Metal]

Resi 3 Remake is short but I loved it....and I loved speed run chasing. It’s one of the best games I’ve played this year and I’d rather have a short game that’s amazing than something more bloated than it should be 

[Ghosty]

1 hour ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 I’d rather have a short game that’s amazing than something more bloated than it should be 

 

MGS V and FFXV spring to mind when I read your post.

[Meat]

3 hours ago, SeanR said:

 

 

While that is impressive we have to balance it with the fact the PS1 is rendering significantly more black.

 

I’d also love to see the antimatter benchmarks, in case of any corner-cutting.

[Sarlaccfood]

5 hours ago, petrolgirls said:

 

That's not quite true though, Kindle books can be more expensive than physical books, it can certainly be more expensive to stream a film from Amazon than to buy the Blu-ray or DVD. The simple fact is that companies sell a product for what the market is prepared to pay for it, very little else enters the equation. 

I’m not sure that’s DVD/Blu-rays are the best comparison anyway as a cinema or television run would have meant most (or all) of the initial production cost was recouped before being released for home viewing.

 

Games don’t have that. Unless you think of the just-released period of a game being full RRP as the cinema run equivalent, which I guess there is an argument for. (And one that games come off looking like the better value proposition maybe)

[Kevvy Metal]

2 hours ago, Ghosty said:

 

MGS V and FFXV spring to mind when I read your post.

They’re both great, and I wouldn’t have them any other ways, but there’s certainly others! RDR2 for example. 

[Ghosty]

5 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

They’re both great, and I wouldn’t have them any other ways, but there’s certainly others! RDR2 for example. 

 

No I agree. Two of the best games I have ever played. Other peoples opinions differ though. Some say unfinished and flawed.

[mushashi]

On 03/07/2020 at 09:36, Alex W. said:

We just don’t need “real” games to be these Avatar-esque jackpot-or-bankruptcy monstrosities. There are so many games that would be far better if there was about one sixth as much stuff on them, and so many leaner, smaller games that deserve to be pushed in to the spotlight by platform holders and publishers. If Parasite can be a more important movie than Godzilla King of the Monsters why can’t Telling Lies be a tentpole game release?

 

For every occasional Parasite success story, you have the corpses of untold numbers of other lower budget films, which is no different than a platform holder pushing some indie game which hits the commercial jackpot once in a while so this arguably already happens. The real money is never going to be put on these indie games or films, they'll just roll the dice and one of them will breakout once in a while. The rest of the money will be spunked on mega budget productions as that is what the majority of the market has been proven to respond to, year after year.

[Alex W.]

Parasite’s not a low budget movie though. It’s just not a Blockbuster Summer Movie Event, which seems to be the only type of game that gets the time of day as a major event. The bread and butter of the Oscars is movies like Parasite but gaming’s equivalent are all Marvel movies.

[Pob]

Is Observation something I can play while my 8 year old .... observes... or is it swears/scary?

[yashiro]

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This game contains mature content recommended only for ages 18+

 

If I recall it's the game with the woman in space talking to the ships computer most of the time while trying not to die from heat/cold/suffocation/alien object. Probably not one for little kids.

[Alex W.]

There’s stuff in it that would probably give the kid weirdly abstract nightmares when it’s not boring them in to disinterest.