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Alex W.

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17 minutes ago, teddymeow said:

 

A bit like when people think "Trump can't possibly win?!" 

 

On the flipside, Jim Ryan has said there's loads still to talk about and still about 5 months to launch so maybe, maybe, MAYBE, Sony are holding back for a huge announcement.

 

"One more thing... PS5 is backwards compatible with every disc based console system ever".


I expect the next big things will be a walk through of the feature set including compatibility, a launch date and price, and a nuts and bolts discussion of the physical hardware design and cooling system. Probably as two or three separate events.

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rafaqat

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8 hours ago, Alex W. said:

But you don’t have to “believe” when both companies have literally said how it will work.

 

One has demonstrated they have the engineering know how to actually implement it and have a form of it on a current gen console  The other spent 30 seconds talking about it on a talk about taking photos of your ears.  I'm sure it'll all be fine but I can see where the confidence in each company comes from. 

 

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46 minutes ago, rafaqat said:

 

One has demonstrated they have the engineering know how to actually implement it and have a form of it on a current gen console  The other spent 30 seconds talking about it on a talk about taking photos of your ears.  I'm sure it'll all be fine but I can see where the confidence in each company comes from. 

 


But there are such small bounds on what could possibly go wrong on Sony’s side. It’s a type of backwards compatibility that’s got far more in common with PS4 Pro and PS4 than the Xbox One and the Xbox 360, something Sony handled fine. This is like worrying that the PS5 isn’t going to be able to cool itself or draw electricity from the wall, because Microsoft have talked so much about those compared to Sony.

 

It’s just this weird unsubstantiated pathological scepticism about something because I guess people expect it to be bad? And there’s so much that so much more interesting to talk about with the backwards compatibility on both machines than “it probably won’t even play many PS4 games despite what they said”.

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"unsubstantiated pathological scepticism"

 

Lol, steady on - I'm just a bit curious as to why Sony are being so obtuse with it, that's all. I mean, it's an easy message - MS have nailed it - but here we are, with plenty of people far from sure what's going on because Sony have absolutely failed to nail it. You think they've said the same things, but clearly lots of people have received very different messages.

 

To be clear I think you're right, I think it'll all work - but that's not the point to me - my interest is more in quite why they've gone about it the way they have, quite why they've allowed this to happen. I mean, even in the last few days we've seen MS come right out on Twitter and just clarify some stuff - shut down rumours etc. Why so hard for Sony just to do that - why have they not just killed this debate stone dead with one single official tweet?

 

As I've said before - speculation is all part of a new console launch - it's nothing more sinister (for me at least). I soooo wish the PS5 had a flap on the front.

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I miss flap.

 

I think Sony are being deliberately coy about everything to avoid people getting hyped too much. That way leads to gigantic consoles that look ugly and cost too much, with baffling marketing and oh god no it's happening again.

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Pathological scepticism is a bit much yeah, on a personal level at least, but it’s like there’s this meme about it not actually running all that many PS4 games and people have got to feed it despite the lack of any real evidence.

 

And yes, Sony are to blame. The root cause is their refusal to acknowledge that Microsoft has its own messaging and there’s therefore a whole consensus out there they need to wrestle over, not just write.

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On 25/06/2020 at 10:43, gospvg said:

 

I don't have a large collection of games to play currently only 3 waiting to be played.

 

Just read about the Xbox Hardware Subscription service I think it is a good idea pay a smaller amount per month and get an xbox/live included. Wonder if Sony will do something similar?

https://www.vg247.com/2020/06/25/xbox-series-x-all-access-subscription/

 

Going to quote this as I think it's much, much more important than the notice that was given to it on here.

Sure, it doesn't interest most of us, but for the majority of casual gamers, this is absolutely huge.

If Microsoft do this and Sony don't, then the Series X has potentially 'won' the console race for this generation. 

The world is lead by credit, people own less and less things as the years go on.  

Do you:

- Save up for a Playstation 5.

- Rock up are bright house and pay an arm and a leg in interest for a ps5.

- Just sign up to the Microsoft subscription service.

 

Actually, maybe we should all be interested, I owned 5 different 360s from various problems with RROD, drives, HDD upgrades, presumably a subscription service would mean sending it back and getting a new one.  Does this mean MS have properly tested the Series X and they know it to be bombproof? ;) 

 

On the other hand, perhaps this is MS way of telling us the Series X will be £1,200...

 

 

On 25/06/2020 at 12:59, Peb Kacharach said:

 

"We have a console for those who want to play PS4 games, it's called PS4."

 

Tell that to those of us who want to play Project Cars 2 or Assetto Corsa Competizione and any of the other inherently broken due to performance PS4 titles that must also exist :(

 

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5 minutes ago, Freeman said:

Going to quote this as I think it's much, much more important than the notice that was given to it on here.

Sure, it doesn't interest most of us, but for the majority of casual gamers, this is absolutely huge.

If Microsoft do this and Sony don't, then the Series X has potentially 'won' the console race for this generation. 

The world is lead by credit, people own less and less things as the years go on.  

Do you:

- Save up for a Playstation 5.

- Rock up are bright house and pay an arm and a leg in interest for a ps5.

- Just sign up to the Microsoft subscription service.

 

Actually, maybe we should all be interested, I owned 5 different 360s from various problems with RROD, drives, HDD upgrades, presumably a subscription service would mean sending it back and getting a new one.  Does this mean MS have properly tested the Series X and they know it to be bombproof? ;) 

 

On the other hand, perhaps this is MS way of telling us the Series X will be £1,200...

...or just get a PS5 on one the many other forms of reasonable credit that isn't Bright House?*

 

*I think they've gone under anyway.

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Not for me but I think the idea of buying a console like a mobile phone contract will appeal to some gamers, just pay £30 a month for 2 years and you get the latest xbox with live etc.

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10 minutes ago, gospvg said:

Not for me but I think the idea of buying a console like a mobile phone contract will appeal to some gamers, just pay £30 a month for 2 years and you get the latest xbox with live etc.

 

I know with PSN that you get free games, so it kind of nulifies the price a bit. You help out developers who might need sales of their game. At least I think that's how PSN works, plus online gaming access etc.

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1 hour ago, Ghosty said:

 

I know with PSN that you get free games, so it kind of nulifies the price a bit. You help out developers who might need sales of their game. At least I think that's how PSN works, plus online gaming access etc.


ha.

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Alex W.

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2 hours ago, Freeman said:

 

 

Going to quote this as I think it's much, much more important than the notice that was given to it on here.

Sure, it doesn't interest most of us, but for the majority of casual gamers, this is absolutely huge.

If Microsoft do this and Sony don't, then the Series X has potentially 'won' the console race for this generation. 

The world is lead by credit, people own less and less things as the years go on.  

Do you:

- Save up for a Playstation 5.

- Rock up are bright house and pay an arm and a leg in interest for a ps5.

- Just sign up to the Microsoft subscription service.

 

Actually, maybe we should all be interested, I owned 5 different 360s from various problems with RROD, drives, HDD upgrades, presumably a subscription service would mean sending it back and getting a new one.  Does this mean MS have properly tested the Series X and they know it to be bombproof? ;) 

 

On the other hand, perhaps this is MS way of telling us the Series X will be £1,200...

 


In principle it’s huge, in practice they’ve offered this since the Xbox 360 in the US and the Xbox One in the UK and nobody has gone for it?

 

I guess the big limitation is that most people don’t buy consoles from the Microsoft web store. They should have it up front in the Xbox One dash. Apple have the per-month trade-in price for an iPhone as the default thing that pops up when you try to find out how much one costs on their site.

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3 hours ago, gospvg said:

Not for me but I think the idea of buying a console like a mobile phone contract will appeal to some gamers, just pay £30 a month for 2 years and you get the latest xbox with live etc.

 

Damn right it will, and your figures might not be that far off for a £500 console, plus Game Pass and Gold membership. Perhaps £30 a month with £100 deposit is in line with phone contracts.

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5 hours ago, Freeman said:

Do you:

- Save up for a Playstation 5.


Yes. Absolutely. I’ll save you some time. The answer to your entire post is the above. That is what brand power and inertia will do. I don’t see very many 1-console players switching platforms this gen.

 

Sadly, I expect Sony’s market research shows this, and they’ll have little incentive to offer a GP equivalent.

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23 hours ago, Fletch said:

If they announced backwards compatibility with PS1 through to PS4 then that would be quite the something. 

 

they should announce a PS4 with backwards compatibility, first, but...

 

PS2, backwards compatible with PS1, and DVD playback, everyone uses it as a DVD player

PS3, backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2, and BluRay playback, everyone uses it as a BluRay player, they remove PS2 backwards compatibility

PS4, no backwards compatibility, only BluRay playback, everybody wants backwards compatibility.

 

therefore, if the PS5 has UHD BluRay playback, then it should also have backwards compatibility. The facts don't lie.

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On 25/06/2020 at 17:24, Alex W. said:


But there are such small bounds on what could possibly go wrong on Sony’s side. It’s a type of backwards compatibility that’s got far more in common with PS4 Pro and PS4 than the Xbox One and the Xbox 360, something Sony handled fine. This is like worrying that the PS5 isn’t going to be able to cool itself or draw electricity from the wall, because Microsoft have talked so much about those compared to Sony.

 

It’s just this weird unsubstantiated pathological scepticism about something because I guess people expect it to be bad? And there’s so much that so much more interesting to talk about with the backwards compatibility on both machines than “it probably won’t even play many PS4 games despite what they said”.


this is the same Sony that asks you to manually transfer save files in the cloud from ps+ to psNow for exactly the same game. They make some proper shitty design decisions.  Who on earth would think that’s an acceptable solution?  

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