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SeanR

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7 hours ago, Meat said:

N64 had 64 of them and that was circa PS2 era, which puts the PS3 at 128-bit. The PS4 skipped the 256-bit standard as that was taken by encryption so it went to 512. The PS5 is a 1024-bit system.


the Xbox series x is listed as 2048-bit, but it’ll turn out that that’s the width of the bus between the CPU and GPU, because of all the extra data being moved around, slathered in special sauce, and that the silicon itself is only 1024-bit.

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On 23/06/2020 at 20:54, Calashnikov said:

I already have it installed on my PS4 Slim, aiming to play it March next year :lol: If digital PS4 purchases could be transferred over and played on PS5 with a boost in performance that’d be ideal. 

A PS4 lifecycle's worth of free PS+ games would be enormous. Surely they should also offer a 10TB edition?

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4 minutes ago, letsbook said:

A PS4 lifecycle's worth of free PS+ games would be enormous. Surely they should also offer a 10TB edition?

 

You can already, I think, play PS4 games from an external USB HDD. Ideally, I'd just copy all my PS4 games to one of those and plug it into the PS5. I think they said PS4 BC games wouldn't need the internal SSD.

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5R7

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Ive said it before and ill say it again, Sony expecting studios to ensure their older games work on the new machine is pathetic in comparison to MS having an actual team that do that and put improvements in place. it shows what an after thought it is to sony, never mind the bullshit of expecting devs to make any games that are getting certified now having to work on it it too! 

 

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SozzlyJoe

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I'd imagine they are using some sort of emulation layer that improves with time, not that old games have to be specifically patched. At least, that's how the original fat Euro PS3's PS2 emu worked if we take that as a precedent. It supported the 'majority' of games (thinking it was supposed to be 80% or something, but having said that I never found one in my collection that didn't work) and improvements added with time.

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Yeah, but clearly Sony are looking to share responsibility with developers:

 

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-05-29-new-ps4-games-must-be-playstation-5-compatible-from-july-sony-tells-devs

 

 

Xbox has this solved years ago when all Xbox One games ran on One X with improved framerates and anisotropic filtering with no work from developers. 

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David Kenny

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32 minutes ago, 5R7 said:

Ive said it before and ill say it again, Sony expecting studios to ensure their older games work on the new machine is pathetic in comparison to MS having an actual team that do that and put improvements in place. it shows what an after thought it is to sony, never mind the bullshit of expecting devs to make any games that are getting certified now having to work on it it too! 

 

This is not quite what they are doing though. Sony are testing the games, but if issues are found the original developer will have to fix them. They're not asking the original developers to ensure their older games work.

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On ‎21‎/‎06‎/‎2020 at 14:54, Darwock said:


The problem I can see with that, is the PS5 only has one standard USB port on the front. So you could plug your headset in, but not the HOTAS (or vice versa) :/

 

I can't believe the lesson they learned from the PS4's two-USB-port debacle was to REDUCE the number.

 

One of the two ports on my PS4 is tied up permanently with an expansion drive, leaving me one sole port for PSVR, racing wheel, HOTAS and Sennheiser headphone dongle.

 

Fortunately the latter all behave OK through a USB2 hub (and you'll only want to use any two of the four at once) but still. What a faff.

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jonathanhoey

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This is true, and of course there ARE still two USB ports on the front, just one of them will be a different shape now.

 

I'm just still, after however many years it's been now, cross with whatever asshole signed off the PS4 design. :) 

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I got burned back on the PS3 using a USB adapter for a Guitar Freaks controller, it introduced lag/latency to the inputs which made the games totally unplayable. So I’m wary of using any kind of adapter to allow controllers to connect to a games console. Is a USB-A to C adapter going to be completely invisible to the machine?

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29 minutes ago, beenabadbunny said:

This is true, and of course there ARE still two USB ports on the front, just one of them will be a different shape now.

 

I'm just still, after however many years it's been now, cross with whatever asshole signed off the PS4 design. :) 

On my Pro, I almost always have one of my three USB ports empty. I literally have too many USB ports. ;)

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7 minutes ago, Darwock said:

I got burned back on the PS3 using a USB adapter for a Guitar Freaks controller, it introduced lag/latency to the inputs which made the games totally unplayable. So I’m wary of using any kind of adapter to allow controllers to connect to a games console. Is a USB-A to C adapter going to be completely invisible to the machine?

Yeah, pretty much.

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jonathanhoey

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2 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

On my Pro, I almost always have one of my three USB ports empty. I literally have too many USB ports. ;)

 

Show-off :D

 

Front ports should only be for things that you will often be connecting and disconnecting (wheel, HOTAS, headphone dongle). Anything that stays plugged in the whole time (PSVR, external storage) should have a port on the back.

 

So ultimately the problem is solved if they include a permanent port round the back for PSVR, which I choose to assume they will do until they show otherwise.

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8 minutes ago, Darwock said:

I got burned back on the PS3 using a USB adapter for a Guitar Freaks controller, it introduced lag/latency to the inputs which made the games totally unplayable. So I’m wary of using any kind of adapter to allow controllers to connect to a games console.

 

you're right to be wary but just wanted to point out you can get good ones with minimal lag which should be fine for most games... well they're good enough for shmups, and rock band. guitar freaks possibly an exception with strict timing i don't know.

 

i never have any usb ports spare on the ps4 pro so hope the new one has loads on the back - but i don't think it will.

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16 minutes ago, spatular said:

 

you're right to be wary but just wanted to point out you can get good ones with minimal lag which should be fine for most games... well they're good enough for shmups, and rock band. guitar freaks possibly an exception with strict timing i don't know.

 

i never have any usb ports spare on the ps4 pro so hope the new one has loads on the back - but i don't think it will.

2 USB -A and 2 USB-C I reckon . 

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