PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[Broker]

I wish they’d offer a 1080p version with the SSD and stuff it just aimed at HD res. Save a lot of money for people who don’t have/don’t care about 4K.

[Corranga]

49 minutes ago, Broker said:

I wish they’d offer a 1080p version with the SSD and stuff it just aimed at HD res. Save a lot of money for people who don’t have/don’t care about 4K.

This crossed my mind too. I ended up looking at TVs and the tech exists but is very, very expensive right now if you want the full set of advantages this and the Xbox will offer ticked off.

I’m talking HDMI 2.1 for 120hz at 4k, Variable refresh rate (VRR), Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM).

 I thought I’d found a Samsung that ticked all the boxes for <£1k but it doesn’t do 120hz at 4k, only at 1440p.

So then I start thinking I might as well stick without my perfectly serviceable but ageing 1080p 60hz plasma, so everything will look like the Sony video stream...

 

 

[Meat]

4 hours ago, Calashnikov said:

I already have it installed on my PS4 Slim, aiming to play it March next year  If digital PS4 purchases could be transferred over and played on PS5 with a boost in performance that’d be ideal. 

 

Why the heck have you scheduled it that far away?

[Calashnikov]

Just played Dark Souls 2. Don’t wanna burn myself out on Soulsborne.

[Calashnikov]

Then, once I’ve played Bloodborne March 2021, I’ll give it another year to play Dark Souls 3 in March 2022, Sekiro in March 2023, then hopefully nail a cheaper, revised, slimmer PS5 for playing the Demon’s Souls Remake in 2024.

 

 

 

[Broker]

29 minutes ago, Freeman said:

This crossed my mind too. I ended up looking at TVs and the tech exists but is very, very expensive right now if you want the full set of advantages this and the Xbox will offer ticked off.

I’m talking HDMI 2.1 for 120hz at 4k, Variable refresh rate (VRR), Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM).

 I thought I’d found a Samsung that ticked all the boxes for <£1k but it doesn’t do 120hz at 4k, only at 1440p.

So then I start thinking I might as well stick without my perfectly serviceable but ageing 1080p 60hz plasma, so everything will look like the Sony video stream...

 

 

It makes it seem like there’s no point in me paying so much for hardware I won’t even be using. Like if there’s 4k30, 2k60 I’m really hoping there’s 1080p120. Because otherwise they’re basically banning me from using the new components unless I buy a shit TV I don’t want.

 

Hopefully Lockheart will cover this for most multiplatform stuff. 

[5R7]

25 minutes ago, Broker said:

It makes it seem like there’s no point in me paying so much for hardware I won’t even be using. Like if there’s 4k30, 2k60 I’m really hoping there’s 1080p120.

 

2k IS 1080p, its 1920x1080

[Uzi]

1 hour ago, Freeman said:

This crossed my mind too. I ended up looking at TVs and the tech exists but is very, very expensive right now if you want the full set of advantages this and the Xbox will offer ticked off.

I’m talking HDMI 2.1 for 120hz at 4k, Variable refresh rate (VRR), Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM).

 I thought I’d found a Samsung that ticked all the boxes for <£1k but it doesn’t do 120hz at 4k, only at 1440p.

So then I start thinking I might as well stick without my perfectly serviceable but ageing 1080p 60hz plasma, so everything will look like the Sony video stream...

 

 

LG Oleds to all of this since the 9th series and are also arguably the best mainstream screens on the market

[Corranga]

1 minute ago, Uzi said:

LG Oleds to all of this since the 9th series and are also arguably the best mainstream screens on the market

Ah yes, I forgot about OLED due to immediately dismissing due to IR / screen burn issues.

 

[Uzi]

1 minute ago, Freeman said:

Ah yes, I forgot about OLED due to immediately dismissing due to IR / screen burn issues.

 

They aren't an issue unless you really go out of your way to do it

 

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

 

I use my OLED as my PC monitor most of the time!

[Corranga]

25 minutes ago, Uzi said:

They aren't an issue unless you really go out of your way to do it

 

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

 

I use my OLED as my PC monitor most of the time!

I’ve managed it with my plasma in the last 3 weeks alone, 1 hour a day, plus a lot more at weekends, nothing but GT Sport... Perhaps this is extreme, but if that’s what I want to play...

[Uzi]

15 minutes ago, Freeman said:

I’ve managed it with my plasma in the last 3 weeks alone, 1 hour a day, plus a lot more at weekends, nothing but GT Sport... Perhaps this is extreme, but if that’s what I want to play...

 

I don't think you can draw conclusions from entirely different tech which is over a decade in advancements apart

[Corranga]

2 minutes ago, Uzi said:

 

I don't think you can draw conclusions from entirely different tech which is over a decade in advancements apart

 

100% agree, but it can give me the fear, not least of all because £1000+ isn’t exactly small change.

 

[Broker]

1 hour ago, 5R7 said:

 

2k IS 1080p, its 1920x1080

Huh. What’s the one in between? 1440 or checker boarding or some shite. I can’t bring myself to care about meaningless numbers that look the same to me. 4K is just pointless for me, I’ll only end up with it because my TV will eventually break. 

[Superunknown]

49 minutes ago, Freeman said:

I’ve managed it with my plasma in the last 3 weeks alone, 1 hour a day, plus a lot more at weekends, nothing but GT Sport... Perhaps this is extreme, but if that’s what I want to play...

 

Is that a Panasonic plasma? I have a 50" one which picks up IR quite easily. The 5 year older 42" Pioneer model it replaced was bullet-proof, never picked up anything. Pioneer plasma tech was way ahead of the competition, even after Panasonic picked up some of their tech and engineers.

[Dudley]

22 minutes ago, Broker said:

Huh. What’s the one in between? 1440 or checker boarding or some shite. I can’t bring myself to care about meaningless numbers that look the same to me. 4K is just pointless for me, I’ll only end up with it because my TV will eventually break. 

 

Yeah, they changed measuring the vertical to the horizontal to use big numbers.

 

The vertical numbers are indeed

 

1080P

1440P

2160P (4k)

[Uncle Mike]

22 minutes ago, Broker said:

Huh. What’s the one in between? 1440 or checker boarding or some shite. I can’t bring myself to care about meaningless numbers that look the same to me. 4K is just pointless for me, I’ll only end up with it because my TV will eventually break. 

 

Yeah, they did a sneaky one from 1080p to 4K, because they switched the axis they measure to make it sound more of an upgrade.

 

1920 x 1080

to

3840 x 2160

 

It's slightly tricksy, but I guess one could argue it gets over that it's equivalent to 4 1080p screens and fair-ish, if anyone contacted the jargon authorities.

 

You're thinking of 1440p, which is typically around 2560 x 1440, I think.

[Pug]

2K is 1440p.

Or 1080p it seems.

[Uncle Mike]

Technically, 2K and 1080p are slightly different things, because I think the horizontal res goes from just under 2k at 1080p to just over at "2K" but it's essentially functionally the same. That's the best thing about standards, there are loads to choose from.

[Petrousgyre]

24 minutes ago, Uncle Mike said:

Technically, 2K and 1080p are slightly different things, because I think the horizontal res goes from just under 2k at 1080p to just over at "2K" but it's essentially functionally the same. That's the best thing about standards, there are loads to choose from.

Not really, 2K is a rough gauge of horizontal resolution and has been used for decades in visual effects. Anything around 2000 pixels wide is 2K, that includes 1920x1080. You can have finer increments too, 2.8K and 3.2K are common resolutions to work at (often dictated by the resolution of digital camera sensors).

[Corranga]

29 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

Is that a Panasonic plasma? I have a 50" one which picks up IR quite easily. The 5 year older 42" Pioneer model it replaced was bullet-proof, never picked up anything. Pioneer plasma tech was way ahead of the competition, even after Panasonic picked up some of their tech and engineers.

Samsung PS51D6900, so released in 2011 or 12. I’ve had mine almost 8 years now

[Uncle Mike]

@petrolgirls I was under the impression 2K was the specific marketing term for one specific format (from memory 2040*1080) but happily defer to your expertise. I only really deal with broadcast resolutions with any frequency. Similarly to how 4K and UHD are often used interchangeably, but technically mean slightly different things.

[wretcherd]

On 22/06/2020 at 22:41, Popo said:

Has it been confirmed anywhere that PS4 backward compatibility will equate to PS4 Pro equivalence? Will we be setting games that sort it running at 4K/60fps? I haven’t been able to find that particular info.

The only real information other than in Cerny's talk was their blog post afterwards:

 

 

And I guess, sort of, that they've told devs any PS4 games released July onwards have to work with PS5 day one.

Would love more detail on this stuff, maybe they'll let digital foundry loose on it closer to launch as a PR thing.

[Petrousgyre]

2 hours ago, Uncle Mike said:

@petrolgirls I was under the impression 2K was the specific marketing term for one specific format (from memory 2040*1080) but happily defer to your expertise. I only really deal with broadcast resolutions with any frequency. Similarly to how 4K and UHD are often used interchangeably, but technically mean slightly different things.

If you'll excuse the diversion - this is Flame's (vfx compositing software) default resolutions along with labels. You can see there's 10 different '2K' options, several of which are sub-2000 pixels. I'd say classic 2K would generally be considered as super35mm 2K (2048x1556) - that was the resolution film would normally always get scanned and worked on. Until recently most films were ultimately mastered at 2K scope (2048x858) - that's the resolution most '4K' films are being upressed from, absurdly.

 

 

2K literally just means about 2000 pixels wide, marketing people notwithstanding. 

[Uzi]

Just say 1080p/1440p/2160p

 

Problem solved! Those are only the vertical res but everyone knows what they mean

[SeanR]

I preferred it when images were measured in lines...

[wretcherd]

How many "bits" do the new consoles have?

[Meat]

N64 had 64 of them and that was circa PS2 era, which puts the PS3 at 128-bit. The PS4 skipped the 256-bit standard as that was taken by encryption so it went to 512. The PS5 is a 1024-bit system.

[Popo]

4 hours ago, wretcherd said:

How many "bits" do the new consoles have?

I’m no expert but I think the “bits” in old consoles referred to the CPU and/or GPU bus size? The amount of data that could be fetched and processed in one cycle? In which case the PS5 is a 256-bit console (apparently).

[womblingfree]

7 hours ago, wretcherd said:

How many "bits" do the new consoles have?

And how many “K”?