PlayStation 5 - Next gen is expensive

[mdn2]

6 minutes ago, Broker said:

 Soon half the user base won’t even be able to connect it to a TV.

 

 

According to their financial report last month, they've sold 6 million Switch Lites versus 49 million regular Switches. If it hadn't been for the fact the OG hardware has been so constrained due to Covid 19, I reckon a fair few of those Lites would have been originals as well. 

[Broker]

Fair enough, not half then

 

I think what they’ve done is genius. They’ve eliminated half their product line and replaced it with one thing that somehow completely satisfies both audiences. 

[Ghosty]

2 hours ago, Fletch said:

Until Sony say that Namco have been in touch and they are making a new Ridge RACER VR the next gen can do one. 

 

How would that work without making you sick?

[Fletch]

1 minute ago, Ghosty said:

 

How would that work without making you sick?

 

I dunno, magnets? 

 

Seriously though the same way GT Sport does, being able to look sideways out of the window as you drift round a bend would be awesome. 

[Ghosty]

4 minutes ago, Fletch said:

 

I dunno, magnets? 

 

Seriously though the same way GT Sport does, being able to look sideways out of the window as you drift round a bend would be awesome. 

 

Why would you need to do that though? You are drifting after all, so the road is what you should be concentrating on.

[Fletch]

 

Just now, Ghosty said:

 

Why would you need to do that though? You are drifting after all, so the road is what you should be concentrating on.

 

If you're drifting you are sideways and the road would be out of your side window. 

[Ghosty]

1 minute ago, Fletch said:

 

 

If you're drifting you are sideways and the road would be out of your side window. 

 

True. But if you are drifting and the road is twisting and not straight?

[rgraves]

1 hour ago, Broker said:

Fair enough, not half then

 

I think what they’ve done is genius. They’ve eliminated half their product line and replaced it with one thing that somehow completely satisfies both audiences. 

 

So, not killed their home console business at all then?

 

Trucking along rather nicely in fact (yes this is Japan, but news from US and EUR is equally positive right now):

 

 

EDIT: Sorry, yes, this is off-topic. Back to PS5 - she's a bit of a big beast is she not - I thought that was a huge NO-NO in their home market? Be interesting to see how people react to it 'in the flesh'.

[Broker]

1 minute ago, rgraves said:

 

So, not killed their home console business at all then?

 

Trucking along rather nicely in fact (yes this is Japan, but news from US and EUR is equally positive right now):

 

No they’ve absolutely killed their console business. They’ve replaced it with a dock that they don’t support on all models anymore. The genius is convincing all the people who like Nintendo consoles that actually they want the new handheld.

[SeanR]

56 minutes ago, Fletch said:

 

 

If you're drifting you are sideways and the road would be out of your side window. 

 

55 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

 

True. But if you are drifting and the road is twisting and not straight?

do you two HAVE a driving licence?

[Harsin]

If they keep releasing games of the quality of The Last of Us 2 then I’d have to buy one if it was the size of a fridge.

[Alex W.]

21 minutes ago, Broker said:

No they’ve absolutely killed their console business. They’ve replaced it with a dock that they don’t support on all models anymore. The genius is convincing all the people who like Nintendo consoles that actually they want the new handheld.

This seems like a semantic argument but about half of Switch play is docked, and a good proportion of Nintendo’s major releases are clearly intended for docked play. (See Ring Fit, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, etc.). It’s both things. The number of people complaining that there’s not a convenient way to sync between a Switch and a Lite suggests that a lot of people are using the Switch as a TV console first and foremost.

They’ve done what they intended to do, and something they dabbled with in the latter days of the 3DS - create one platform with one software library that spans handheld and TV play. They’re making TV console money on big software releases while selling TV console accessories, while also selling handheld console accessories and making handheld-game money on smaller releases.
 

All of the revenue streams they (and third party accessory manufacturers) had before in their home console business and their handheld business are clearly still there. Nothing has been “killed”.

 

Edit - Admittedly there’s something perverse about the idea that the Xbox One is now tied for second place with what amounts to an obsolete Android tablet in a docking station that launched in 2017.

[Fletch]

15 minutes ago, SeanR said:

 

do you two HAVE a driving licence?

 

Don't make me do a diagram. 

[dumpster]

1 hour ago, Ghosty said:

 

How would that work without making you sick?

 

VR makes some people sick, and also doesn't affect other people.  Some people start off feeling a bit sick but get used to it.  Whatever, DriveclubVR is a great experience, and I couldn't play it for more than a few minutes on the day I bought it.  Now I play it for an hour and it's great.

[Petrousgyre]

22 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

Admittedly there’s something perverse about the idea that the Xbox One is now tied for second place with what amounts to an obsolete Android tablet in a docking station that launched in 2017.

Switch has sold 56 million consoles in three years and they can’t keep up with demand. Xbox One almost certainly hasn’t sold that many in seven years, estimates put them around 45 million.

[Broker]

It’s a real shame as well, because there’s a decent Gears of War game on there that most people can only play if they have a gaming PC. 

[Ghosty]

1 hour ago, SeanR said:

 

do you two HAVE a driving licence?

 

Yeah, but I rarely drive.

 

 

[Ghosty]

48 minutes ago, dumpster said:

 

VR makes some people sick, and also doesn't affect other people.  Some people start off feeling a bit sick but get used to it.  Whatever, DriveclubVR is a great experience, and I couldn't play it for more than a few minutes on the day I bought it.  Now I play it for an hour and it's great.

 

The reaason I bring it up, (see what I did there?)

was because Ridge Racer is a fast paced arcade racer. 

[simms]

8 minutes ago, Ghosty said:

 

The reaason I bring it up, (see what I did there?)

was because Ridge Racer is a fast paced arcade racer. 

I’m sure they can add comfort modes.  Wipeout VR had them as far as I know.

[dumpster]

19 minutes ago, simms said:

I’m sure they can add comfort modes.  Wipeout VR had them as far as I know.

 

Im thinking Ghosty has a point there, the continual drifting would be at odds with VR.... although in cinema mode previous RRs are fine.   They need to release it, they we can know for sure!

[Popo]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that PS4 backward compatibility will equate to PS4 Pro equivalence? Will we be setting games that sort it running at 4K/60fps? I haven’t been able to find that particular info.

 

 I’ve got a load of games I haven’t played yet that would benefit from this. 

[footle]

29 minutes ago, Popo said:

Has it been confirmed anywhere that PS4 backward compatibility will equate to PS4 Pro equivalence? Will we be setting games that sort it running at 4K/60fps? I haven’t been able to find that particular info.

 

 I’ve got a load of games I haven’t played yet that would benefit from this. 

theres bugger all about PS4 compatibility. It’ll probably support the same kind of stuff as the pro.

[teddymeow]

Sqeenix confirms that "The Avongers" will have a free upgrade from PS4 to PS5.

 

Avongers - look shinier!!

[Alex W.]

10 hours ago, Popo said:

Has it been confirmed anywhere that PS4 backward compatibility will equate to PS4 Pro equivalence? Will we be setting games that sort it running at 4K/60fps? I haven’t been able to find that particular info.

 

 I’ve got a load of games I haven’t played yet that would benefit from this. 

In Mark Cerny’s presentation he discussed that the new chips can run in PS4 and PS4 Pro backwards compatibility modes. There will also be boosts to use the extra PS5 performance.

 

It’s not clear if games can be patched to run at even higher performance levels than the PS4 Pro offered. I’d assume that without a patch, games would just run at the frame rate and resolution cap that they had on the PS4 Pro. (i.e. checkerboard 4K at 30 frames per second in most cases.)

[Calashnikov]

As an aside, does Bloodborne run any better on PS4 Pro than it does on the base console? I assume no since the game predates the machine and I doubt From would have went back to optimise.

[PaB]

1 minute ago, Calashnikov said:

As an aside, does Bloodborne run any better on PS4 Pro than it does on the base console? I assume no since the game predates the machine and I doubt From would have went back to optimise.

Boost mode takes advatage of the increased CPU clock for any early titles.

[Superunknown]

5 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

As an aside, does Bloodborne run any better on PS4 Pro than it does on the base console? I assume no since the game predates the machine and I doubt From would have went back to optimise.

 

By all accounts Boost Mode makes relatively little difference to BB and unfortunately it never received a Pro patch. There are rumours of a PC release (a la Horizon Zero Dawn) and  of a potential PS5 patch to accompany it.

[Calashnikov]

I already have it installed on my PS4 Slim, aiming to play it March next year  If digital PS4 purchases could be transferred over and played on PS5 with a boost in performance that’d be ideal. 

[JoeK]

2 hours ago, Calashnikov said:

I already have it installed on my PS4 Slim, aiming to play it March next year  If digital PS4 purchases could be transferred over and played on PS5 with a boost in performance that’d be ideal. 

They bloody better be. 
 

 

[SeanR]

 

3 hours ago, Calashnikov said:

As an aside, does Bloodborne run any better on PS4 Pro than it does on the base console? I assume no since the game predates the machine and I doubt From would have went back to optimise.

 

ish?