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56 minutes ago, rafaqat said:


I think the trend for single player story driven games has been a welcome one. Uncharted, Last of Us, HZD, Spider-Man Adler all great games.   But. They have a certain pattern to them.  I’d be disappointed ted if we got the same next gen. 
 

MS already reached this point last gen.  I enjoyed Gears Of War but it was just more gears of war with a story. 
 

Uncharted for me was getting long in the tooth pattern wise. Story and acting were great but they’re almost cookie cutter nowadays. 
 

The winning formula last gen was 

single player, an engaging story and the ability to upgrade character and or weapons to keep it interesting.  It seems we’re likely to get more of that this gen.  Which is fine I think for one more gen for me personally before I tap out. 
 

I’m unlikely to buy another Spider-Man unless it very different from the PS4 game. 
 

I’m unlikely to buy another Uncharted if it’s the same formula as previous ones and spin offs. 
 

horizon zero Dawn for me personally had a a really really great story that clicked with me so I’m still interested in the sequel but beyond that sequel it’ll be on Gears of War territory for me. 
 

maybe I’ll get back to playing more indies. Or just sink permanently into playin Tetris Effect (Which is absolutely amazing and I hope we see more of that). 
 

I want to see more of PS2 Sony where we saw much more Variety from them. Ico was anew thing and so was Shadow of the colossus. You bought a Sony console for the absolute mad games you’d see. (Parappa the rapper the gen before that, Vin ribbon as well).    That’s the off the wall Sony I want to see more of rather than the single player upgrade character template we have for the big Sony exclusives.  
 

hopefully MS  do more than Churn out new halo’s and gears of war games too. 
 

 

The fact that in the announcement for their new hardware, they focussed attention on a game featuring angsty anthropomorphised teenage dinosaurs, and another where eating food turns body parts into that food, and another where you're a little man living inside a Victorian gentleman fighting monsters for some reason, tells me you don't have to be too concerned about this.

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Revival

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2 hours ago, Peb Kacharach said:

 

But Game Pass isn't exciting or moving the industry forward, just like PS Now isn't exciting or moving the industry forward.

 

It's an attempt to move gaming into a Netflix model, but consumers and tech are nowhere close to being ready for that.

 

If ten million subscribers isn't evidence enough then I'm not sure what you're looking for because it's out there it works and it's only getting better.

 

2 hours ago, Peb Kacharach said:

Ehh. This is not a factor that affects whether I buy hardware or not.

 

That's exactly my point, Not everyone wants the same as you do.

 

I don't play videogames to sit through hours of Kojima's cut scenes or need to be told an emotive narrative. There are better exponents.

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12 minutes ago, Peb Kacharach said:

Side note: The best games this generation were first-party Sony titles and first-party Nintendo titles.

 

The best games are the ones an individual has enjoyed on whatever system they own. The only games that matter aren't the ones that scored above nine on metacritic or slide with your narrow personal opinion.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Peb Kacharach said:

 

Better exponents like Microsoft's output? Are you for real?

 

Where did I say MS output? I didn't. Films are a better exponent not mass market games with uninvolving basic hand holding game play.

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12 minutes ago, Revival said:

 

The best games are the ones an individual has enjoyed on whatever system they own. The only games that matter aren't the ones that scored above nine on metacritic or slide with your narrow personal opinion.

 

 

I think here he is talking about metacritic nines as opposed to games that matter individually.

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45 minutes ago, Uzi said:

Playstation first party games largely follow a certain pattern that works. That's going to get old at some point.

 

*shows other third party games completely missing the point*

 

Cool.  You got the gist of the conversation.

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1 minute ago, Peb Kacharach said:

You might take away from that MS is dominating the Netflix-for-games market, which will be the future. And are in some way advancing the industry. But I think it's more of a defensive strategy to compensate for the lack of exclusive quality.

 

It can be both right?

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2 hours ago, rafaqat said:

 

hopefully MS  do more than Churn out new halo’s and gears of war games too. 

 


Sea of thieves, bleeding edge, ori, grounded, psychonauts, Minecraft dungeons, gears of war:tactics, wasteland 3...

 

(I mean, I’m interested in just four of those, but there’s more diversity there than in Sony’s first party trailers (though not necessarily a promise of quality) - including genres that Sony just don’t do.

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4 hours ago, footle said:

A licensed spiderman game is new IP?! It’s a good game, but it’s not an out of the blue game with no precursor on consoles like Days Gone.

 

Yeah, I don't have PhD in intellectual property rights or whatever. It's not a sequel to an established series of games is what I was trying to get across.

 

Still a pretty safe bet, but it's at least something new.

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This might be the first generation  I don’t buy a new console on release day. Nothing has grabbed me, if GT7 (or even Prologue) was a launch title, or a remastered Ridge Racer :( I’d be in. 
 

I’ll probably give in to the hype but at the moment I still need convincing.

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This might be the first generation  I don’t buy a new console on release day. Nothing has grabbed me, if GT7 (or even Prologue) was a launch title, or a remastered Ridge Racer :( I’d be in. 
 

I’ll probably give in to the hype but at the moment I still need convincing.

 

I think once we get prices and launch  dates the excitement might kick in.   Right now, my default position is to wait after launch for both.   We shall see,

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3 hours ago, rafaqat said:


I think the trend for single player story driven games has been a welcome one. Uncharted, Last of Us, HZD, Spider-Man Adler all great games.   But. They have a certain pattern to them.  I’d be disappointed ted if we got the same next gen. 
 

MS already reached this point last gen.  I enjoyed Gears Of War but it was just more gears of war with a story. 
 

Uncharted for me was getting long in the tooth pattern wise. Story and acting were great but they’re almost cookie cutter nowadays. 
 

The winning formula last gen was 

single player, an engaging story and the ability to upgrade character and or weapons to keep it interesting.  It seems we’re likely to get more of that this gen.  Which is fine I think for one more gen for me personally before I tap out. 
 

I’m unlikely to buy another Spider-Man unless it very different from the PS4 game. 
 

I’m unlikely to buy another Uncharted if it’s the same formula as previous ones and spin offs. 
 

horizon zero Dawn for me personally had a a really really great story that clicked with me so I’m still interested in the sequel but beyond that sequel it’ll be on Gears of War territory for me. 
 

maybe I’ll get back to playing more indies. Or just sink permanently into playin Tetris Effect (Which is absolutely amazing and I hope we see more of that). 
 

I want to see more of PS2 Sony where we saw much more Variety from them. Ico was anew thing and so was Shadow of the colossus. You bought a Sony console for the absolute mad games you’d see. (Parappa the rapper the gen before that, Vin ribbon as well).    That’s the off the wall Sony I want to see more of rather than the single player upgrade character template we have for the big Sony exclusives.  
 

hopefully MS  do more than Churn out new halo’s and gears of war games too. 
 

 

 

I mean, Sony just got Dreams out of the door, which is not only new IP, but also an incredibly ambitious title. In fact, most of their new IP this gen doesn't really fit the cinematic AAA moniker. Whether it's Dreams, Resogun, Driveclub, The Last Guardian, Bloodborne, Blood & Truth or Astro Bot. Even Horizon isn't one in my opinion. It's lavish, but not particularly set-piece or cut-scene heavy. It's certainly not comparable to Uncharted in any way, besides being gorgeous. Open world games are an entirely different cup of tea imo. I think the only one that truly fits the cinematic  moniker is The Order, which ironically is also their least succesful new IP this gen.

 

Looking at the PS5 reveal, nothing there struck me as big cinematic action game. LBP and Astro Bot are 3D platformers, Ratchet & Clank is a hybrid platformer/TPS, GT7 is a racing game, Destruction Allstars is new IP and a multiplayer car arena battler with Titanfall-esque on-foot action, Demon's Souls is an aRPG, Spider-Man is an open world superhero game, Horizon 2 is an open world action-adventure (some would say RPG) and Returnal, another new IP, is a roguelike with fast-paced combat. I'd say that's a pretty varied line-up. And they apparently held some stuff back for the August State of Play, so who knows what might be revealed on top of the above (Silent Hill?).

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Sony host all their PS blog images on Flickr for reasons that aren’t clear to me, so here’s a bunch of high res press kit sized images of the console and the accessories (webcam TV mount! Headphone USB dongle!).
 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996237486/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996490607/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49995717278/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996492132/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996236891/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996237396/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996235811/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996489072/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996477182/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49995703153/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996224731/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49995704108/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996226336/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996479662/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996480302/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996480982/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49995701683/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996223756/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996224536/

 

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8 minutes ago, bobontheway said:

Headphone USB dongle doesn't fill me with hope with regards to using regular Bluetooth headphones with the PS5 :(

Can’t have people use that completely in-console virtual surround technology by using cheap, nasty £280 Sony bluetooth headphones. You need the plasticky £50 headset.

 

I swear to god, Sony’s departmental structure is like the Hunger Games.

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2 minutes ago, Spacehost said:

Can’t have people use that completely in-console virtual surround technology by using cheap, nasty £280 Sony bluetooth headphones. You need the plasticky £50 headset.

 

I swear to god, Sony’s departmental structure is like the Hunger Games.


Isn’t it because the PlayStation headphones don’t use Bluetooth? I thought it was to avoid the lag that you get with bluetooth.

 

But yeah, they don’t let you use VSS even if you wire it to the pad.

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3 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:


Isn’t it because the PlayStation headphones don’t use Bluetooth? I thought it was to avoid the lag that you get with bluetooth.

 

But yeah, they don’t let you use VSS even if you wire it to the pad.

The audio is beamed to the pad via Bluetooth so if its good enough for the pad, I dunno why they can’t support AptX headphones or whatever.

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7 minutes ago, Spacehost said:

The audio is beamed to the pad via Bluetooth so if its good enough for the pad, I dunno why they can’t support AptX headphones or whatever.


I’m pretty sure it’s RF, not Bluetooth. Most gaming wireless headsets use RF 2.4Ghz because it’s basically lag free. 

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2 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:


I’m pretty sure it’s RF, not Bluetooth. Most gaming wireless headsets use RF 2.4Ghz because it’s basically lag free. 

 

Yup - an RF dongle (which it likely is because that's pretty much what ANY half decent wireless gaming accessory comes with) doesn't mean no bluetooth support.

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2 hours ago, Alex W. said:

Sony host all their PS blog images on Flickr for reasons that aren’t clear to me, so here’s a bunch of high res press kit sized images of the console and the accessories (webcam TV mount! Headphone USB dongle!).

 

Spoiler

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996237486/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996490607/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49995717278/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996492132/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996236891/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996237396/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996235811/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996489072/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996477182/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49995703153/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996224731/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49995704108/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996226336/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996479662/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996480302/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996480982/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49995701683/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996223756/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/49996224536/

 

 

 

 

All the hardware images are CG renders, maybe not surprising given how tricky shooting anything is right now.

 

There's also a bunch of stills from some of the games shown. I was struck by Abe's Oddysee when I watched the stream, not the art style particularly but the render quality:

 

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I'm struggling to believe this is straight out of a console, it's incredibly clean, there isn't a hint of fringing around the depth of field, texturing, lighting, aa - it just looks too good, like it's been rendered in Arnold, Renderman or similar. If next gen consoles can render that cleanly then we're in for a treat but I fear they're fibbing in this instance. By contrast - I thought Stray looked great but if you look at this render cropped in you can clearly see the artifacts around the defocused edges and sparkles in what I assume are raytraced reflections on the street (typical of low sample raytracing) along with some less than perfect anti-aliasing - that's all reassuringly in engine.

 

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2 hours ago, Alex W. said:

Sony host all their PS blog images on Flickr for reasons that aren’t clear to me, so here’s a bunch of high res press kit sized images of the console and the accessories (webcam TV mount! Headphone USB dongle!).

 

That's actually quite cool.   I just hopped back to 2007

 

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Back on the dimensions of the machine itself - it’s incredibly wide, we know that much. I just had a thought that when we saw the machine on it’s side from an upward angle, it didn’t look particularly long, it looked to have regular proportions. So does that also mean it’s really deep? It would be bloody typical if it turns out it can fit in my TV cabinet with a cm to spare on each side, but then it’s hanging out the front because the cabinet is only 40cm deep.

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I looked yesterday and couldn’t find any. I expect they don’t want “biggest console ever” being the narrative at the moment. 
 

There’s a fluff piece on the PS blog saying this design was nailed down “months and months” ago. I think maybe they knew it was going to be massive and have tried to make it distinctive so it’s more of a feature than a flaw. 
 

I hope they iron out all the details like dimensions, pre-PS4 BC and smart delivery in their next info dump.

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