Dig Dug Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I’ve always had a special place in my heart for X-Men vs Street Fighter as my favourite vs series game but I think that one may be in part due to the virgin effect of it being the first fighting game I ever got to play in an arcade. That said there are things I like aboutit. The roster feels tighter as it only needs to cover those two series, the omissions aren’t very glaring. The game is fast but not too crazy which makes it fairly accessible by vs standards. Finally it has one of my favourite attract screens ever, it’s fully of energy and alluring to me. It does a perfectly good job of telling me what to expect from the game, it does nothing to mislead, what I see is what I will get. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Pickford Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Final Fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amc Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 9 hours ago, BadgerFarmer said: And I don't think there's been anything as clever as Wet/Dry World or Tiny/Huge World. I thought I'd go and remind my brain what these levels looked like after this post. My god, how fucking insane is it that this game was Nintendo's first attempt at a 3D Mario game on brand new hardware. I think as time goes by and perhaps even due to playing the odd level here and there on VC or via emulation (mainly triple jumping around the Castle grounds or getting a couple of stars in Bob Omb Battlefield and not delving any further) or what have you, and playing new more shiny games, even games in the Mario lineage, I've relegated just how mind blowing Mario 64 was. For some reason looking at videos of these two quoted worlds kicked that knowledge back to the top again. I loved Galaxy and adore Odyssey, not to mention the several other games since but to use a term that's down with the kids, when it comes to 3D Mario, 64 is the GOAT. Nothing has delighted me as much as 64, before or since. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popo Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Dig Dug said: I’ve always had a special place in my heart for X-Men vs Street Fighter as my favourite vs series game but I think that one may be in part due to the virgin effect of it being the first fighting game I ever got to play in an arcade. That said there are things I like aboutit. The roster feels tighter as it only needs to cover those two series, the omissions aren’t very glaring. The game is fast but not too crazy which makes it fairly accessible by vs standards. Finally it has one of my favourite attract screens ever, it’s fully of energy and alluring to me. It does a perfectly good job of telling me what to expect from the game, it does nothing to mislead, what I see is what I will get. Good choice, and I couldn’t agree more. Admittedly I didn’t play Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter, but the next entry I played in the series was Marvel vs Capcom on Dreamcast which strayed deep into silly territory, with too many characters, too much going on, too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eighthours Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Actraiser on the SNES, definitely. The original had a delightful, Populous-esque strategy mode that you played in between the side-scrolling action levels. The sequel ditched the former completely and concentrated solely on the latter. But the Populous stuff really made the original different from all the other action games on the market and was a brilliant change of pace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerFarmer Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 The other thing about Actraiser 2 was that even as a straight action game it was awful. Looked nice but it was horrible to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 @Made of Ghosts has already mentioned WarioWare which I throughly agree with but I'd include Rhythm Tengoku too. Nintendo have seemed determined to dick about with those beautiful, pure, simple, instinctual inputs in subsequent entries to both series. Makes me sound like a proper old man - "why can't we just have buttons like the good old days!!!" - but there we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlospie Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Suikoden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joffocakes Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, nakamura said: Capcom Vs SNK 1. Much better than 2. I don't think I've heard anyone say this; could you say why? The sequel definitely gets talked about far more often so I'd assumed it just expanded and improved upon everything the first CvS offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerFarmer Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, carlospie said: Suikoden I'm a big fan but for me Suikoden 2 improves on it in pretty much every way. Does seem like it went downhill from there though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_debaser Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Donkey Kong Country. DKC3 on the SNES is probably the closest in quality to the original and adds cool map to explore but it lacked the wow of the first. DKC2 is also brilliant but the original duo of DK and Diddy can’t be beaten. The music is also the best in the series. The later few developed by Retro don’t deserve to be considered of the same lineage, they aren’t a patch on the SNES trilogy. The physics on them are just wrong and the music isn’t as memorable. DKC64 was pretty decent too, better than the Retro games, but was overly long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Glands Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, the_debaser said: DKC64 was pretty decent too, better than the Retro games Madness. DK64 was the worst example of collectathon bobbins. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made of Ghosts Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Jolly said: @Made of Ghosts has already mentioned WarioWare which I throughly agree with but I'd include Rhythm Tengoku too. Nintendo have seemed determined to dick about with those beautiful, pure, simple, instinctual inputs in subsequent entries to both series. I was thinking of Rhythm Tengoku too but I actually really dig the DS one and never had any trouble with the inputs! Oddly enough it’s the Wii instalment that killed that series for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakamura Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, joffocakes said: I don't think I've heard anyone say this; could you say why? The sequel definitely gets talked about far more often so I'd assumed it just expanded and improved upon everything the first CvS offered. The second game is an ugly, obnoxious price of crap. Even the variable ratio system can improve how awful the presentation is. Gameplay is no better either. The first game has so much quality. A great combat engine. Amazing sound with brilliant transitions between levels. Stunning level intros and amazing high res 2D backgrounds. It's just amazing on all counts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dug Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I like CVS2 but the game does reek of too many cooks, it’s a few steps off being a Mugen fan game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrychan Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 16 hours ago, Dig Dug said: I’ve always had a special place in my heart for X-Men vs Street Fighter as my favourite vs series game but I think that one may be in part due to the virgin effect of it being the first fighting game I ever got to play in an arcade. That said there are things I like aboutit. The roster feels tighter as it only needs to cover those two series, the omissions aren’t very glaring. The game is fast but not too crazy which makes it fairly accessible by vs standards. Finally it has one of my favourite attract screens ever, it’s fully of energy and alluring to me. It does a perfectly good job of telling me what to expect from the game, it does nothing to mislead, what I see is what I will get. Special points for the announcer sounding really quite angry after you press start on the title screen (at least on the Saturn version) when saying 'this is X-Men Vs. Street fighter!' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossSaru Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Having played a few of the other games in the series, I would add Valkyria Chronicles to this list. The gameplay is tight (with the exception of a few cruel difficulty spikes), characters are memorable, and the levels have enough variety to keep things fresh. Plus, the graphical style is good enough that, even with advances in hardware, the PS3 version has not been bettered significantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick R Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I never played Frequency, but I'm surprised it hasn't been nominated in this thread yet. I know a lot of people consider it better than Amplitude, due to its track listing and its gameplay differences (a tunnel instead of a flat plane). So is there anyone here who thinks that Frequency is better than Amplitude, Amplitude's Kickstarter remake, Rock Band Unplugged, and Rock Band Blitz? Or even further: is there anyone here who thinks it's also better than any of the plastic instrument games, the entire Guitar Hero and Rock Band series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_debaser Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Jazz Glands said: Madness. DK64 was the worst example of collectathon bobbins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 15 hours ago, carlospie said: Suikoden What? The sequel was better in EVERY regard. It had a better story, better music, better pacing, better bad guy etc. While I LOVED Suikoden, which was a game I knew nothing about when I bought it, the sequel blew me away. Suikoden 2 remains in my Top 5 ever Playstation games. 14 hours ago, BadgerFarmer said: I'm a big fan but for me Suikoden 2 improves on it in pretty much every way. Does seem like it went downhill from there though. I'm with you on this, @BadgerFarmer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwock Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Nick R said: Or even further: is there anyone here who thinks it's also better than any of the plastic instrument games, the entire Guitar Hero and Rock Band series? It's not better than this, no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 22 hours ago, APM said: Anyone said Crackdown yet? Great shout, how could I forget about Crackdown? One of my favourite X360 games and I still play it on my Xbone Has Driver been mentioned yet? Driver was a game that blew me away when it was released. It had some really great missions and I loved that it blended arcade racing with semi realistic environments. It was hard as nails at times, but it was so satisfying when you finally managed to finish a mission. The "make your own movie" approach to the replays was great as well. Since the first Driver, the sequels were really bad all the way until San Francisco, but even that wasn't as good as the original. EDIT: I see Driver was already mentioned, so here are a few others I think should be mentioned: Syndicate - The original was fantastic on PC and Amiga and was never bettered. Deus Ex: The original is still the best entry in the franchise, IMO. The levels were small and a the story was a bit fragmented but overall the first game nailed the setting and atmosphere. Perfect Dark - This was a great shooter on the N64...the X360 sequel....not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowCostMonkey Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Worms On the Amiga. It felt like a perfect game. The more recent versions are good but the initials sequels just felt bloated and the 3D version just didn't work for me. Although not as bad as 3D lemmings. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlospie Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Rayn said: What? The sequel was better in EVERY regard. It had a better story, better music, better pacing, better bad guy etc. While I LOVED Suikoden, which was a game I knew nothing about when I bought it, the sequel blew me away. Suikoden 2 remains in my Top 5 ever Playstation games. I'm with you on this, @BadgerFarmer Yeh I was wrong suikoden 2 is the bomb. Krins face 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayn Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, carlospie said: Yeh I was wrong suikoden 2 is the bomb. Krins face I'm really glad you made this post. I can trust you again now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat flatulent git Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Shinobi Lots of people love Shadow Dancer, but for me the first Shinobi is hands down the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple A Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Super Star Wars 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCoy Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 On 10/04/2019 at 23:08, ZOK said: Far Cry 2. The original, and still the best. I feel it kind of defeats the point of the thread including things like Far Cry 2. Sure it is different to the first game but it is a sequel which improves on the idea of the first game. Plus it definitely shares some DNA with the first one. Far Cry 3 introducing outposts to be liberated was just as much a shift in direction as 2 was from 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakamura Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Rayn said: What? The sequel was better in EVERY regard. It had a better story, better music, better pacing, better bad guy etc. While I LOVED Suikoden, which was a game I knew nothing about when I bought it, the sequel blew me away. Suikoden 2 remains in my Top 5 ever Playstation games. I'm with you on this, @BadgerFarmer Suikoden 2 is better but 1 has much better music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joffocakes Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 19 hours ago, Jazz Glands said: Madness. DK64 was the worst example of collectathon bobbins. Yeah, it's barely even average. Maybe actually outright bad. I did enjoy playing the original game in it, and the Rambi minigame though. The DKC Returns games are way ahead of the original trilogy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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