Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy (still cancelled.)

[Paulando]

 I'd love to see some kind of Star Wars anthology TV show, like Black Mirror, with different people taking the writing duties for each episode.

[Festoon]

11 hours ago, Nick R said:

 

Or put another way: great news for an unknown proportion of vocal self-proclaimed "true fans".

 

Who have absolutely no idea what they want. They similtaneously want everything like the originals, but if you reskinned the originals they'd go fucking mad.

Nothing will ever please them, no one 'gets' Star Wars like them, they don't know what they want.

[BitterToad]

3 minutes ago, Festoon said:

 

Who have absolutely no idea what they want. They similtaneously want everything like the originals, but if you reskinned the originals they'd go fucking mad.

Nothing will ever please them, no one 'gets' Star Wars like them, they don't know what they want.

This. This in its entirety. 

[JPL]

1 minute ago, Festoon said:

 

Who have absolutely no idea what they want. They similtaneously want everything like the originals, but if you reskinned the originals they'd go fucking mad.

Nothing will ever please them, no one 'gets' Star Wars like them, they don't know what they want.

Who are these people though? You seem to know them pretty well. They seem like a made up demographic to me, just so the failures of this trilogy can be blamed on something other than it being a poor story, badly told, using directors that wanted to take things in polar opposite directions, which has quite rightly left a lot of people unimpressed.

 

We’re living in a world where anybody can get their opinion across to thousands of people instantly, so maybe if they had a better plan from the off, there wouldn’t have been so many negative voices. The Marvel stuff hasn’t had the same level of criticism and I think that’s because it’s been handled a lot better.

 

I’d just be happy if they got a solid plan in place before having another go, rather than going in all guns blazing without a clear direction.

 

It’s not the end of the world though, it’s only a few films and it won’t be long before they get it back on track.

[Fierce Poodle]

On 30/10/2019 at 07:59, Dirty Harry Potter said:

And I think B and W’s actions are revealing. They seem to have been pretty unscrupulous about moving to the next biggest pay check without much loyalty. At least thats how it appears.

 

Loyalty to who?

[PK]

1 hour ago, JPL said:

Who are these people though? You seem to know them pretty well. They seem like a made up demographic to me, just so the failures of this trilogy can be blamed on something other than it being a poor story, badly told, using directors that wanted to take things in polar opposite directions, which has quite rightly left a lot of people unimpressed.

 

We’re living in a world where anybody can get their opinion across to thousands of people instantly, so maybe if they had a better plan from the off, there wouldn’t have been so many negative voices. The Marvel stuff hasn’t had the same level of criticism and I think that’s because it’s been handled a lot better.

 

I’d just be happy if they got a solid plan in place before having another go, rather than going in all guns blazing without a clear direction.

 

It’s not the end of the world though, it’s only a few films and it won’t be long before they get it back on track.

 

It was a really strange approach to making the final trilogy in such a high profile series of films.  The Force Awakens was great, and seemed to be setting up a fairly derivative but ultimately fun trilogy of knockabout space adventure films.  The Last Jedi was also great, but it was the equivalent of No Country For Old Jedis; it challenged the tropes of a derivative-but-fun knockabout space adventure saga rather than continuing it, and doesn't really seem to leave anything particularly exciting to resolve in a third film, which is being made by the derivative knockabout crew again.

 

They should have asked Abrams & Kasdan to write a fun trilogy to finish off the Skywalker story, and given Johnson his own trilogy to tell an interesting story against the backdrop of the Star Wars universe. As a result of the approach they've taken it doesn't seem like we're going to get either, which is a real shame.

 

 

[b00dles]

They shouldn't let Abrams write anything but let him direct. 

 

It's going to be interesting to see what the mandalorian ends up being, it doesn't look quite as fan service-y as it could be but I still think it will probably be more a fun romp than a heady look at the bounty hunting in SW. 

 

Not having a fixed trilogy or even general story beats (from what we understand) was incredibly stupid but I also think that even though force awakens was fun and worked to remind people that star wars can be fun and not all about trade routes and the hatred of sand. Despite that, I think some of the way that was set up with the mystery box type stuff ended up being a millstone. 

[glb]

Saw the RoS teaser on an IMAX screen the other day and got my first proper pang of excitement, having been underwhelmed by TLJ.

 

I’m curious about how they’ll navigate out of the cul-de-sac that was Episode VIII’s ending, and whether there will be much invention or just mostly playing it safe.

 

To be honest, I’m fine with whatever. Visually it will be a treat, hopefully there will be a few surprises and the end can’t help but be emotional one way or another given the attachment so many of us have.

 

Favourite Star Wars-related memory is diligently booking tickets for me and my dad for the late 90s re-releases of A New Hope, Empire and RotJ. Us venturing up to Leicester Square for each of them like two big kids jabbering away about our favourite bits is still a fond memory. He passed away a fair while ago, so never saw episode seven onwards but even so I’ll miss him being there to see the conclusion of this saga, whatever it might be.

[Joystick Chevron]

Saw a delightfully barking theory earlier: “WHAT IF RotS ends with Palpatine knocking Rey up and wipes her memory and sends her back through time and *she’s* Anakin’s mother. It would tie everything together!”

 

Like, yeah, sure kid. As if JJ would ever be so- 

 

*suddenly remembers the endings to Alias and Felicity*

 

Oh shit.

[womblingfree]

@Joystick Chevron Also his Star Trek used naff time travel.

 

Shit.

[Dirty Harry Potter]

Rian was never coming back after the TLJ backlash.. whether he knew it or not. He was either in-denial or enjoying trolling the people that hated his film.
I suspect the latter.

 

I quite like the Rey and Ren scenes, but those aside, I really don't think he did anything especially original with the film, or even made it very surprising. His remit seemed to be anti-drama, which is about the least satisfying way you could approach a space opera imo. So I, for one I'm pleased he is no longer part of the plan.

 

 

 

[JoeK]

9 hours ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

Rian was never coming back after the TLJ backlash.. whether he knew it or not. He was either in-denial or enjoying trolling the people that hated his film.
I suspect the latter.

 

I quite like the Rey and Ren scenes, but those aside, I really don't think he did anything especially original with the film, or even made it very surprising. His remit seemed to be anti-drama, which is about the least satisfying way you could approach a space opera imo. So I, for one I'm pleased he is no longer part of the plan.

 

 

 

 

Oh, I dunno. Having Super Leia flying around the place and killing Liberace Sith in the early stages of the film were slightly unexpected.

 

 

 

 

[macosx]

I watched it again last night and really enjoyed it - I was grimly steeled for the misplaced humour at the start, the way the pivotal character from the series is needlessly castaway as a needless castaway, the way they’d ruined the timeless design of the walkers turning them into knuckle dragging apes, the way the new series bad guy is needlessly dispatched in a filmic tablecloth pull. Only seriously underwhelming as nobody had managed to put anything on top of the tablecloth for two films. 
Yet despite itself, like a flotilla of futuristic spaceships running out of fuel before the next services, it coasted out of the hyperspace fast lane into an enjoyable watch. I’ve said wrongly before I didn’t really care about Kylo Ren and Rey’s fate but I do think Adam Driver was the best thing in this.

[K]

2 hours ago, JoeK said:

 

Oh, I dunno. Having Super Leia flying around the place and killing Liberace Sith in the early stages of the film were slightly unexpected.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure the most popular pre-TLJ fan theory was that that the first thing Luke would do in the film was hoy his lightsaber off a cliff and tell Rey to fuck off.

[K]

"Oh god, *another* shot where a sinister imperial spacecraft is revealed to be an iron."

[Girth Certificate]

oh man, they hate Kennedy the most. At least the other childhood raping monsters have penises.

[Unofficial Who]

And it's done (and has been for some time.). Multiple news sources confirming.

 

https://www.ign.com/articles/patty-jenkins-rian-johnson-shelved-star-wars-projects-creative-differences

 

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/star-wars-rogue-squadron-trouble-creative-differences/

 

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Most recently, Game of Thrones creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss exited their own Star Wars project, a new trilogy of films that would have reportedly explored the origin of the Jedi. And Belloni asserts that one other project has been quietly “shelved” due to creative differences, too.

“It also happened to Rian Johnson,” reveals Belloni, “whose own planned trilogy was shelved.”

 

 

[Darren]

Not unexpected but still a shame. I suppose it's an improvement to their process that they're now sacking directors before they start making their film rather than after they've shot most of it.

[Festoon]

 More decent Knives Out films so. 

 

A better outcome.

[hebejebe]

Is this really any more confirmed than all the previous stories? It certainly won’t be any surprise if true. 
 

If things are as problematic as it sounds surely Disney would want new management but it doesn’t appear as if they want to replace Kathleen Kennedy. I’m actually surprised she hasn’t had enough of the criticism and gone back to producing for Spielberg. 

[Unofficial Who]

48 minutes ago, Festoon said:

 More decent Knives Out films so. 

 

A better outcome.

 

I think so and I say this as a massive fan of The Last Jedi. I mean if you were him you've got the choice of spending the next decade

 

-Tied to making Star Wars films with all the creative restrictions that entails knowing that whatever he does there will be some who will even before the next showing have their "Knives Out".

 

-Make movies for the fans you've attracted with your mystery movies where you have viewers who want you to subvert expectations.

 

Dead easy choice and it seems that Disney is moving away from movies for Star Wars and more towards TV series where they can keep attracting subscriptions.

[Scribblor]

I'm assuming the 'creative differences' are that he wanted to make something new and interesting and Kennedy wanted him to remake the original films but with increasingly large death stars.

[Darren]

1 hour ago, Scribblor said:

but with increasingly large death stars.

 

OT, but I still don't understand how they managed to name the bigger, better, badder Death Star in TFA Starkiller (after Luke's name in the early SW drafts) but then didn't have it actually killing stars. It should have been a weapon powerful enough to blow up a whole star, making it go supernova and so destroying all its orbiting planets and their moons. Instead of the beam we actually got, that splits apart and blows up each planet in the system individually, leaving the star untouched. The First Order clearly don't worry about complying with the galactic version of the Trade Descriptions Act.

[SpagMasterSwift]

I thought it killed the nearby star, drawing its power from it, no?

 

Starsucker base would have made more sense...

[Darren]

22 minutes ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

I thought it killed the nearby star, drawing its power from it, no?

 

Starsucker base would have made more sense...

 

I suppose it killed a nearby star (near to the base), just not the one the planets it was shooting were orbiting. It fired across the galaxy (through hyperspace, which is how the beams could be seen from other planets nowhere near either the base or the target).

 

Yes I am a massive nerd.

[K]

I liked the Force Awakens, but that bit where the Starkiller base blows up a planet has to be one of the vaguest bits of storytelling I've ever seen in a major film, second only to the bit later on in the same film where they can't get the last part of the map to Luke because R2D2 is asleep. It doesn't matter really, because JJ Abrams films are more about what feels emotionally right for a scene rather than what makes logical sense, but I would like to hear him explain what he thinks actually happens in those bits.

[Pob]

2 minutes ago, K said:

I liked the Force Awakens, but that bit where the Starkiller base blows up a planet has to be one of the vaguest bits of storytelling I've ever seen in a major film, second only to the bit later on in the same film where they can't get the last part of the map to Luke because R2D2 is asleep. It doesn't matter really, because JJ Abrams films are more about what feels emotionally right for a scene rather than what makes logical sense, but I would like to hear him explain what he thinks actually happens in those bits.

 

It's especially annoying because on the surface its one of the most affecting scenes of the film - the visuals of seeing the beam from the bridge of Kylo Ren's star destroyer, the music that goes with it, people's reactions etc.

 

But yeah, when you think about it it makes no sense that it looks like a firework display a few hundred metres above the rebel (sorry! Resistance) base.

[Darren]

11 minutes ago, K said:

I liked the Force Awakens, but that bit where the Starkiller base blows up a planet has to be one of the vaguest bits of storytelling I've ever seen in a major film, second only to the bit later on in the same film where they can't get the last part of the map to Luke because R2D2 is asleep. It doesn't matter really, because JJ Abrams films are more about what feels emotionally right for a scene rather than what makes logical sense, but I would like to hear him explain what he thinks actually happens in those bits.

 

I suspect the answer would be "something that looks really cool."

 

I say all this as someone who liked TFA (and TRoS! I watched it again the other day and enjoyed it!) but (to bring us back on topic) neither of them have the emotional core of TLJ. All three films have deeply silly things in them but I'll always love TLJ for the Luke-Rey-Ben storyline at its heart which I will go to my grave defending.

[Nick R]

2 hours ago, Pob said:

It's especially annoying because on the surface its one of the most affecting scenes of the film - the visuals of seeing the beam from the bridge of Kylo Ren's star destroyer, the music that goes with it, people's reactions etc.

 

But yeah, when you think about it it makes no sense that it looks like a firework display a few hundred metres above the rebel (sorry! Resistance) base.

 

It's also a little too similar to how Abrams depicted what happened to Vulcan in the 2009 Star Trek.

[SeanR]

3 hours ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

I thought it killed the nearby star, drawing its power from it, no?

 

Starsucker base would have made more sense...

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