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30 minutes ago, robotattack said:

 

How? :mellow:

 

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I got to a bit where I had to open a safe with a code to retrieve the rabbit. I can't remember exactly but it was different when I did it the second time.  I think, first time I could input the code as PAX or PAC, but this time it gave TOY as an option, the rabbit was retrieved, the mum turned up and said it was time to go, the kid had the rabbit.  The mum said about getting the 8.45 train but the kid says he's ready to go, and they will have time to catch the earlier one.
 

 

 

I really enjoyed this. But I did get a bit lost with things nearer the end.  For example (and I won't spoiler this because it's right at the start), in the software house (Imagine), Colin hasn't read Bandersnatch and his nosedive game crashes when he demos it.  Colin says it's a memory buffer error.  The first choice you get is to develop your game in-house or at home.  If you select to work in house you get an ending, but if you repeat the game the same scene is all slightly altered - Colin says he's met you before, You pre-empt the conversation about the crash, and Colin says he loved the book.  This seems to repeat throughout the show, with the second version of a scene being different.  I got lost with the different safe passwords, because Im not sure what I did in order to make the choices change the second time.  Another example I saw was when the psychiatrist asks him to talk about what happened to his mother, and in future runthroughs he says "you always ask me about this", to which she says "if you run through the details in your head again you might see something you missed.  That flowchart posted earlier shows some of the events, but there are loads of great touches.  My favourite thing about it is that....

 

 

 


I think you can play through it all without seeing all the PAC stuff and as far as you can see, that's really your mum.  Or there's another completely different ending where you basically tell this guy from the 1980s what Netflix is, and it turns out he's an actor in a studio and has a big fight scene with the doctor.
 

 

 

I'm sure there's loads I haven't seen and I played with it for ages.

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36 minutes ago, dumpster said:

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I got to a bit where I had to open a safe with a code to retrieve the rabbit. I can't remember exactly but it was different when I did it the second time.  I think, first time I could input the code as PAX or PAC, but this time it gave TOY as an option, the rabbit was retrieved, the mum turned up and said it was time to go, the kid had the rabbit.  The mum said about getting the 8.45 train but the kid says he's ready to go, and they will have time to catch the earlier one.
 

 

 

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I had the same thing (using TOY as the password), but they still went for the 8.45 train. You see both of them on the train and then Stefan...

 

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Is found dead in Dr Haynes office. I haven't seen anyone else mention an alternative version of that. (Not that I'm suggesting that I don't believe you; I'm just wondering what factor would alter it.)

 

 

 

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On 28/12/2018 at 12:22, Fusty Gusset said:

Those WH Smiths bags eh. Ahh.

 

The song choice for

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the train.

 Yup That's done it :(

What was it? I can’t get back to it to Shazam!

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I thought this was great. Really funny in places - I loved the Netflix bit - genuinely harrowing in others, and also perfectly taps into loads of different things I’m interested in, like

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80s videogames, Tangerine Dream, Philip K Dick, this weird eighties ghost story where some guy started getting messages from the future on his BBC Micro, etc. It utterly destroyed me at the “end” where the boy chooses to die with his mother on the train, rather than go through his life with the knowledge of what happens to him. 

 

Couple of questions:

 

What happens

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if you choose to stab Colin during one ending rather than let him go?

 

And is the

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Spectrum program you hear during the post-credits scene a real program, and if so what does it do?

 

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Answer to the second spoiler:

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It's only a variant on the other one, but the game gets a great review before being pulled when they've found you murdered your dad and hero. Worth watching that scene though:

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Colin encourages it, very weird

 

I love that I need to use double spoilers

 

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16 minutes ago, K said:

 

And is the

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Spectrum program you hear during the post-credits scene a real program, and if so what does it do?

 

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It’s real and apparently produces a QR code which takes you to the website I mentioned earlier

 

https://www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?/topic/308633-black-mirror-bandersnatch/&do=findComment&comment=12124236

 

 

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This is incredible, but due to the nature of audience choice it kind if meanders and on my run-through it sort of lost it’s way. My earlier choices foreshadowed stuff that didn’t get followed-up, and I felt like I didn’t get much choice in the ending... but I got two endings so far. I think the first ending I got was the main ending. Will dive back in for another go at some point as there are huge chunks I’ve missed.

 

The bigger the consequences the more thrilling the choices. The technology is wonderful and interactive horror movies need to be a thing.

 

The highlight from my first playthrough:

 

 

Choosing who jumps from the balcony. Absolutely electric scene and a brief glimpse of Pax afterwards. He didn’t appear again for the rest of the ep. A shame as I wanted to worship him...

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43 minutes ago, Majora said:

I can see people being a bit disappointed if they expected a linear branching story.

 

The potential for this type of branching media is huge though, an art in itself. Until Dawn was a great example except it cheated. And Bandersnatch is a little too niche and meta.

 

A well-done mainstream branching movie (with less choices than BS) could be something special, but it does naturally lend itself to horror, crime and sci-fi, though it would be interesting to see how it might be approached in other genres.

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I enjoyed the Jeff Minter cameo.

It's weird they dressed a whole street in Croydon to look like 1984 for a ~30 second scene.

I think it included too many story threads and ended up not exploring any of them satisfactorily.

Mainly it just reminded me why nobody has done this idea since the mid-90s.

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2 hours ago, robotattack said:

 

That is what happened to me too.  I assumed that...

Because the kid got the train that didn't crash, he grew up to have a happy life and the previous version of his life never happened. So on the alternate timeline he ceased to exist. A happy ending! 

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I decided to play it like a 

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malevolent god so I tried to fuck him over at every opportunity.  Ended up killing dad, chopping him up and releasing a 5/5 game.  I think I whizzed through in about an hour though. Will revisit again as I think a lot of the appeal here is seeing how they pulled all of this off.  

 

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27 minutes ago, dumpster said:

That is what happened to me too.  I assumed that...

 

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Because the kid got the train that didn't crash, he grew up to have a happy life and the previous version of his life never happened. So on the alternate timeline he ceased to exist. A happy ending! 

 

It’s the 8.45 train that they catch in that ending (his mum still mentions they’ve missed the earlier train)

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Thought it was average. The gimmick distanced me somehow from what was going on. Which is odd given it’s the exact opposite when playing an actual video game along similar lines.

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7 hours ago, Protocol Penguin said:

Doesn’t work on an Apple TV device, so I won’t be watching this in a hurry.

 

Thanks for letting us know, please report back with other things you won't be watching. 

 

After getting a couple of endings yesterday I can see I've missed a boat load so will dive back in and eat those Sugarpuffs. 

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1 hour ago, Boozy The Clown said:

I went into this knowing zero about it and having never watched a  Black Mirror episode and with a joint in me.

 

My blinds were mown.

 

Watch every single Black Mirror episode.

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Inspired by Bandersnatch I rewatched the Imagine documentary last night. The part when the rep explains they will be charging £40+ for a Spectrum game (it comes in a box with 35 items) had me both cringing and thinking about where we are now with special editions and what not.

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10 hours ago, dumpster said:

That is what happened to me too.  I assumed that...

 

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Because the kid got the train that didn't crash, he grew up to have a happy life and the previous version of his life never happened. So on the alternate timeline he ceased to exist. A happy ending! 

 

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They still get the 8.45 train though, so the suggestion would be that he died with his mum, which is why he dies on the future because he no longer exists. I guess you could still intepret that as a happy ending though, as he no longer has to live a life of feeling depressed, partly blaming himself for her death.

 

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I really enjoyed this. The way it played with your initial perception that it was just a choose your own adventure story and brought you in as a character rather than just a viewer was great. I had a fun comparing notes with my son who'd played/watched it the night before. We both saw things that the other hadn't.

 

Anyone else notice that the name of the medical practice was St. Juniper's?

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One really clever thing is 

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that after I opted to have Colin to jump off the balcony, he was then mysteriously absent from the rest of the episode. Dunno how often he shows up if you choose for Stefan to jump, but I thought that was a nice touch.

 

Does the asian guy who works for Tuckersoft have any significance to the story? The guy who hands Stefan the VHS of the documentary. It seemed like there was more to him than just being some random assistant.

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