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11 minutes ago, Minion said:

Man this games hard, I've beaten Meg like twice out of about 10 times and even then I die shortly after, any tips for the early game please?

 

Get used to dying in the early game. Each time you die you'll get the opportunity to even the odds by spending darkness (the purple gemstones) on various perks by looking at the mirror in your bedroom. Buy Death Defiance, Greater Reflex (double dash), Thick Skin (increase HP), Boiling Blood (enemies embedded with your cast take more damage - great for bosses) and the one that gives you an additional cast. To begin with, when you get the choice, prioritise chambers that have cthonic keys as a reward, as these allow you to unlock more weapons and more mirror perks, or choose chambers that have darkness as a reward to spend on said mirror perks; don't worry too much about gemstones for now (although you should buy all the fountains from the contractor as soon as you can), or nectar (though if you do have any nectar you should give it to Skelly, as his keepsake essentially gives you a second life when you die). Until you're getting to the later areas consistently, you should consider each attempt a suicide run to collect as many resources as you can to make yourself stronger when you die, so spend all of your money on darkness when you have the opportunity, and do all the treasure troves that offer darkness as a reward.

 

As for Meg, she seems tough to begin with but it won't be long before you're killing her inside 30 seconds. She only has a few attacks, IIRC: pause and dash, which has a fairly big wind-up - once you learn the timing you'll dodge her every time; close range AOE with her whip - again, an obvious tell, and it triggers when you get close to her, so just dodge away and get some ranged damage; the bullet hell projectiles - try to get one of Athena's deflect boons early on (Divine Dash is best) and you can fire these back at her for lots of damage, but if you don't have one then dodge around the back of her to get some easy attacks in; and then lastly the mini AOEs she leaves behind her when she's low on health - again, you'll learn to dodge these before too long. The armoured enemies she summons can mostly be ignored; if they're getting close enough to attack you then it's a sign that you're probably not dodging enough! Dodge, dodge, dodge.

 

As for the bow, I'd say practise with it more - it's a popular choice of weapon and the first weapon I escaped with. Once you learn the timing for the high-powered shot then it becomes a real powerhouse, especially when you start lining up enemies with it as they're spawning. The dash attack shortens the wind up time for the power shot, too, so 99% of the time you should be dash attacking. Also, the special can work well from close-range, sort of like a big shotgun blast.

 

Keep going :) 

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That’s amazing @Jamie John thanks so much that is very helpful. I’ve almost got 500 darkness for the 2nd death defiance and will give my gifts to skellie, I’d been randomly handing them out before. I need to keep a level head in that fight too, I’ll give it another go shortly :)

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Well that did really help @Jamie John I just got to the Hydra first attempt, died obviously but feel like I'm making progress! The bow definitely helps as rather than spaming dash to get to enemies I spam it to get out of the way after positioning and firing. I had some really good boons though, my cast was a super powerful ball, phalanx shot I think it was called. That hydra though I feel like I need some more power for that, when he summons the clones should I concentrate on them, I got the impression the main one was protected when he has the clones as he had some weird effect around his head?

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8 minutes ago, Minion said:

Well that did really help @Jamie John I just got to the Hydra first attempt, died obviously but feel like I'm making progress! The bow definitely helps as rather than spaming dash to get to enemies I spam it to get out of the way after positioning and firing. I had some really good boons though, my cast was a super powerful ball, phalanx shot I think it was called. That hydra though I feel like I need some more power for that, when he summons the clones should I concentrate on them, I got the impression the main one was protected when he has the clones as he had some weird effect around his head?

 

Yep - the main head is invulnerable when the others are there, so concentrate on those, one at a time. They spawn when the main one has lost a third of his health, then again at two-thirds. Again, deflect boons are very useful for this fight - if you give Athena some nectar, her keepsake will guarantee that she's the first god you meet, and there's a high chance that the skills she offer will be Divine Dash or the special equivalent, both of which are hugely useful in any run (the attack deflect isn't as effective when using the bow). It's well worth choosing her keepsake for Tartarus and then switching to Skelly's, or someone else's, once you get to Asphodel (you have to buy this from the contractor using gems, but it's unlockable pretty early on).

 

Most of all, though, you just need to keep practising and treat every death as an opportunity to grow stronger.

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2 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

 

Yep - the main head is invulnerable when the others are there, so concentrate on those, one at a time. They spawn when the main one has lost a third of his health, then again at two-thirds. Again, deflect boons are very useful for this fight - if you give Athena some nectar, her keepsake will guarantee that she's the first god you meet, and there's a high chance that the skills she offer will be Divine Dash or the special equivalent, both of which are hugely useful in any run (the attack deflect isn't as effective when using the bow). It's well worth choosing her keepsake for Tartarus and then switching to Skelly's, or someone else's, once you get to Asphodel (you have to buy this from the contractor using gems, but it's unlockable pretty early on).

 

Most of all, though, you just need to keep practising and treat every death as an opportunity to grow stronger.

Excellent thank you for your help! I have got the keepsake thing in Asphodel so that's good, time to give some nectar out :)

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I'm sure it will come soon, Supergiant put their games out on everything don't they?   That said, it runs really well on PC, I've barely played my Switch version since I got it on Steam and I'm getting 1080/60 out of a 2018 Ultrabook.  Just plugged the Switch Pro controller in via USB and that's it really.  Maybe that's an option if you want. 

 

I'm still playing, hadn't turned it on in nearly a week because of work but I've just had a run through now with 

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Arthur Sword.  Got the Arty + Aphrodite duo boon which means bigger crit damage to weak affected foes and by the time I got to Styx I was sometimes getting 5k crits. For some reason I thought I'd just stand toe to toe with [redacted] and see who fell first and he just crumbled because my damage output was so much higher than his.  I'd done the same to the heroes of Elysium too but I was pleasantly surprised I could do it to the big man. For all it's faults in the early game because it's so slow once you've got a few good boons Arthur Sword is murder. 

 

Finally unlocked all the Companions too.  I actually got the final two (Sisyphus and Achilles) on the same run. I think I'm still going to play until I've unlocked all weapon aspects. 

 

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I escaped!

 

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The shield's Charged Shot is ridiculous. With good positioning it makes you pracitically invulnerable, as the only time you're not blocking all attacks from the front, you're dishing out damage. I was only losing health in the end from being far too greedy and forgetting to keep my distance. Combined with Trippy Shot, which held enemies where I wanted them, this attempt took me beyond my previous best of the 3rd region boss, and carried me all the way to the end.

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I’m on fifty+ runs and I still don’t know what the purple glow/aura around certain weapons means. I usually choose the one that’s glowing anyway - does it just do extra damage, or is it something else entirely?

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5 minutes ago, Monkeyspill said:

I’m on fifty+ runs and I still don’t know what the purple glow/aura around certain weapons means. I usually choose the one that’s glowing anyway - does it just do extra damage, or is it something else entirely?

 

It gives you extra darkness whenever you find it. 20% more, I believe. Useful if you're going for a particular mirror upgrade, but that's all, really.

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The wait continues. 
 

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Got to Hades for the third time but still no escape. Had three death defiances but he killed me with half of his second health bar left. I took down his first phase really quickly but for some reason I found his second form really punishing with the build I had. 
 

I am now breezing through the first two stages and killing Theseus and the Minotaur more often than not, so I’m sure escape will come soon but eager to get it done now. 32 runs and still no taste of freedom!

 

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Man fuck that boss jesus!

 

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I finally got the Minotaur down and had some heavy damage on my attack and special with the spear but getting the shield twat down is so hard and then he gets AOE bombardments too, fucking hell.

 

I have 3 death defiances, will I be able to get more when I unlock the next bit of the mirror with 20 keys? What I really need is a health source, I never seem to have enough coin so I am just generally chipped away at, and then meeting Minotaur before the boss and getting him down to less than 25% yet he starts the fight with only 10 or 20% lost whilst he basically took a life from me, arrgggh! I'll get that boss soon I'm getting closer but it's full of bullshit that fight.

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1 minute ago, Minion said:

Man fuck that boss jesus!

 

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I finally got the Minotaur down and had some heavy damage on my attack and special with the spear but getting the shield twat down is so hard and then he gets AOE bombardments too, fucking hell.

 

I have 3 death defiances, will I be able to get more when I unlock the next bit of the mirror with 20 keys? What I really need is a health source, I never seem to have enough coin so I am just generally chipped away at, and then meeting Minotaur before the boss and getting him down to less than 25% yet he starts the fight with only 10 or 20% lost whilst he basically took a life from me, arrgggh! I'll get that boss soon I'm getting closer but it's full of bullshit that fight.

 

You can only get 3 DDs, but Skelly's keepsake serves as a fourth extra life. You'll probably want to save that for the final boss, though. One or two of Athena's boons recharges one DD, and before long you'll meet someone who will recharge all of them for free...

 

As for Twatman and the Bull, think Ornstein and Smough and use the pillars to block the javelin. You'll always know when it's coming - IIRC, there's a small symbol that flashes next to Zag when something is about to home in and hit him, and Theseus will always say something before he throws his spear. Minotaur only has a couple of attacks: a two swing combo followed by a big homing leap that you can dodge underneath to get behind him and then attack while he's recovering; a homing charge that has a big build up - hug the pillars when he does this or play chicken against a wall and he'll charge into it, temporarily stunning him; and then he's got his slamming projectiles that look like pink waves on the floor - these can be deflected back at him (you see now why deflect is such a good skill to have!). Take him out first. If you don't want his 'warm up' fight then avoid chambers where there's an exclamation mark next to the reward sign, as there'll be a 1/3 or 1/4 chance it'll be him.

 

For blondie, he hits hard but he moves slowly and turtles behind his shield. Essentially you want to dodge behind, attack, wait for him to turn, dodge behind, attack and repeat. He also has a big 360 spear swing when you get too close that has a tell, similar to Meg's AOE whip attack, but he's vulnerable after he lets rip. Same when he throws his spear. When he summons a God to help him midway through, this is a good time to use a Call of your own. Anything with a damaging AOE works well - Ares', Dionysus', Poseidon's, Demeter's; build it up to the max in the Minotaur fight and then save it for Theseus. Just wait until *after* he's finished his call animation, though, as he's invincible while he does it and you'll waste your call.

 

You'll get there! This fight is a bit of a road block for most, but then it's on to the big finale :)

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Thanks @Jamie John that's really useful, yes they are a bit like Ornstein and Smeg though also Friede and Big Poppa with their ridiculous health bars haha! That's very useful advice which I will try and put into practice later, sometimes it's hard to see what's going on when there are so many effects from casts/pillars etc... that I manage to get hit by the minotaur. Regarding Calls - how do you get them? I swear I've only had one once, I assume you have to get them as a boon but I never do get them offered, just options to improve my call of which I never have so I don't pick the related boon. I've realised that to get through that fight I need the most powerful boons I can get hold of so when I went into that fight with my powerful attack and special on my spear and a powerful rift cast which destroyed snake boi I was quite hopeful but alas I fell. The bullshit for me is whilst you do get an icon on you when the spear attack is coming during the gank phase of the fight he is often off screen so actually getting behind a pillar whilst also trying to avoid the bull and avoiding the attack is really difficult and a lot of luck involved, plus they have way too much health. I need to get toughter, good to know I've maxed my defiances so I can concentrate on other areas of my build.

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@Minion - you don't unlock Calls straight away but you should be able to get them by now. They're just boons and have the same chance to appear as every other one, so it's luck of the draw. AFAIK, you shouldn't get boons that allow you to improve your Call without actually having a Call in the first place, but I could be wrong.

 

Generally, you want to stick to a handful of gods in a run and level up the boons you already have, as opposed to pick-and-mixing from every different god you find. So, if you get Poseidon's Call in area 1, go for him again if he pops up later and you'll have the chance to improve it. Also, a lot of the time you want to get boons that simply increase your base attack and special damage, especially for Elysium and beyond; don't be too tempted by the flashy effects that some boons offer later on. By the time you leave Tartarus you should have already established your build and should just aim to improve it as far as you can in later areas instead of spreading yourself too thinly with lots of different abilities that don't do enough damage. Don't hold out for a build that you might never get; play the hand you're dealt (although certain keepsakes can influence the likelihood of certain gods appearing).

 

Have you got Eurydice's keepsake yet? That's very useful for Theseus and Minotaur if you level it up. And once you've unlocked all the weapons you'll gain the ability to improve the damage those weapons do, so you can pick your favourite and put points into it.

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@Minioncan't believe you missed my guides in first page! :D

 

You can't get boons to improve calls without having already picked one up, it's easy to misread the text on calls though, several of us thought the same back when this came out! 

 

There isn't luck involved vs Area 3 boss either. You're in charge of where you put Zag, if you can't see enemies stop running too far from them! Once you suss that fight you can melt them in seconds without taking damage, it feels amazing. Fwiw I felt it was so difficult at first too. 

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I’m still hunting my first escape and died to Theseus for the first time in a while last night. Think I had a bad combo of boons and weapon and just couldn’t get behind him to do damage. 
 

I did have the boon that restores +2 health for each hit but his damage is brutal and as I couldn’t get any hits in he just butchered me. Not sure I’d pick that one again. 

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Thanks @Jamie John for the always excellent advice and encouragement :) I'm sure I gave Eurydice some nectar but I haven't checked her keepsake, I'll look later. So I wondered this about boons last night and I tested pressing RT after I had a boon option come up for a call and it did nothing, in the hud on the left it's the 2nd one from bottom right? It's always empty for me and I never get see boons for a call but I will investigate further. I will start with @robdood's video which I have missed as the thread is so big! Thanks Rob 

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I also highly recommend pursuing Meg's storyline by giving her nectar at every opportunity, she eventually gives you a really, really good item for fighting bosses. 

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49 minutes ago, robdood said:

I also highly recommend pursuing Meg's storyline by giving her nectar at every opportunity, she eventually gives you a really, really good item for fighting bosses. 

Excellent pair of videos Rob that's really going to help, lots of thigns I didn't know explained extremely well thanks so much! I'll make sure to give Meg more nectar then thanks!

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14 minutes ago, Minion said:

Yereeahhh! I beat them! I had level 9 on my main attack from a duo boon that doubled pom upgrades :) Thanks for the tips everyone!

 

I mean I died a few minutes later but it was progress. Having a call really bloody helped! 

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And again! haha fuck them :)

 

So this titan blood seems rare, is there weapons I should concentrate on, obviously the ones I do best with which seem to be the bow and the spear but wondering if it's best to throw all I have into one or spend it on both?

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1 hour ago, Minion said:

And again! haha fuck them :)

 

So this titan blood seems rare, is there weapons I should concentrate on, obviously the ones I do best with which seem to be the bow and the spear but wondering if it's best to throw all I have into one or spend it on both?

 

Spend it on your favourite weapon to begin with, at least until you beat the game a couple of times, then you can start to specialise.

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