Benny Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I wouldn't be surprised if that scene was mandated by Disney specifically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonamok Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, PK said: Wondering whether or not they were important or utterly pointless would've been another really shit aspect of being a prisoner there. But that’s still true. They don’t know what they are, and never will. The fact that we do just adds to the dramatic irony. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpagMasterSwift Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Quick question about Bix in the final episode. Spoiler She is completely fucked, right? I got the feeling that she was saying to Andor that "he will come back for us", talking about Andor as if she is not talking to Andor - like she doesn't even recognise him? Did I get that right? Makes more sense why he would want to die at the end. That their romantic Romeo and Juliet childhood love turned into that tragedy of a rescue in the final episode is some seriously brave writing. This is Star Wars...somebody pinch me!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOK Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Ry said: So this is good then? I haven't even gave it a look in due to the sheer amount of shite star wars related film and TV. (Mandalorian excluded). It’s in an entirely different league to Mandalorian. Mando is Xena: Warrior Princess, this is Homeland. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamus Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 That was incredible. Powerful. Emotional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harsin Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, ZOK said: It’s in an entirely different league to Mandalorian. Mando is Xena: Warrior Princess, this is Homeland. Oh no, does that mean after a stellar first season it’s about to nosedive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamus Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 You talk about it being in a different league to Mando. It's different, like perhaps Italy Vs the Premier League. For the feels so far, Mando has more. This is 'better' but sometimes that Aldi ham tastes as good as the Sainos stuff. Where I am sure we will agree is the difference between this and Boba Fett. The final episode in both were broadly similar. Location, peril, people Vs the baddies, street fighting. But wow, this was superb. It left so much hanging too. Boba was Rancor riding and some mods were hiding behind a wall. Utter nonsense, as if smashed together by a kid playing with his star wars toys on Christmas morning. Andor has achieved ridiculously highly for me. Spine tingling at the end, underpinned by that wonderful, awful, creeping soundtrack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOK Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, Harsin said: Oh no, does that mean after a stellar first season it’s about to nosedive. Clearly not, as seasons 2, 3 and 4 of Homeland were the best ones. If Andor follows the same trajectory we’re golden! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpagMasterSwift Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Problem with this show is that ultimately it’s all leading up to Spoiler that terrible moment when CGI Leia turns around and says Hope. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCarrot Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, SpagMasterSwift said: Quick question about Bix in the final episode. Hide contents She is completely fucked, right? I got the feeling that she was saying to Andor that "he will come back for us", talking about Andor as if she is not talking to Andor - like she doesn't even recognise him? Did I get that right? Makes more sense why he would want to die at the end. That their romantic Romeo and Juliet childhood love turned into that tragedy of a rescue in the final episode is some seriously brave writing. This is Star Wars...somebody pinch me!!! Yeah, I had the same interpretation of that line on the ship as you. 😢 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Rosco Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, MrCarrot said: Yeah, I had the same interpretation of that line on the ship as you. 😢 I didn't. Spoiler I think she's reassuring B2EMO that Cassian will find them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Loved this though thought the finale was a bit of an anti climax. Looking forward to S2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Why Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 What I think the show did really well was to not go down any obvious routes either. Like obviously with the lack of fan service cameos, but in its storytelling too. I'm kind of staggered that it exists honestly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MardiganX Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Rogue One is already a great movie and after Andor it’s even better, but when they finish the full Andor story I expect that TV show with Rogue One as the big movie finale could well become the best and most beautifully handled story in the entire Star Wars universe. Just finished watching Rogue One after Wednesdays episode and forgot just how funny and exciting it all is. K2 is of course the MVP but Chirrut and the other characters are just amazing. Fucking Andor man, who knew!! ”Are you kidding me…. IM BLIND!!” 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbuktu Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, MardiganX said: Rogue One is already a great movie and after Andor it’s even better, but when they finish the full Andor story I expect that TV show with Rogue One as the big movie finale could well become the best and most beautifully handled story in the entire Star Wars universe. Just finished watching Rogue One after Wednesdays episode and forgot just how funny and exciting it all is. K2 is of course the MVP but Chirrut and the other characters are just amazing. Fucking Andor man, who knew!! ”Are you kidding me…. IM BLIND!!” I kinda want them to redo Rogue One, maybe recut or just cover it with a different perspective. I imagine it with a futurama Jurassic Bark ending on B2. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanzo the Razor Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 22 hours ago, jonamok said: Awesome collection. Particularly loving Luke and his Tauntaun being mid-Wompa twatting. That's Han isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 11 hours ago, SpagMasterSwift said: Problem with this show is that ultimately it’s all leading up to Reveal hidden contents that terrible moment when CGI Leia turns around and says Hope. I hated that more than the Darth Vader corridor scene - shoe-horned drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unofficial Who Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Andy_Why said: What I think the show did really well was to not go down any obvious routes either. Like obviously with the lack of fan service cameos, but in its storytelling too. I'm kind of staggered that it exists honestly. I'm a big apologist for The Last Jedi with all it's flaws. But I think that parts of it showed that you could subvert expectations in Star Wars. It's an unfair comparison to make to an extend (Rian had to work within tighter time constraints and without the clean slate Andor had) but Andor pretty much followed up on the potential of breaking out of the mould while staying true to the source material. It makes Last Jedi's attempt look clumsy but it makes most TV and film writing look clumsy by comparison. It's an amazing piece of work and all the more amazing reading how it was put together. An interview with writer Tony Gilroy (spoilers obviously) https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/andor-season-2-post-credits-scene-tony-gilroy-1235268962/? reveals that all the Ferrix scenes were the first to be filmed with Rix Road being the first thing filmed. This is an amazing achievement by the writers, directors and actors to have filmed the tense end piece first and pull it off so perfectly. Quote When you shoot a [late-season] scene early, you don’t want the actor to come to you three months later and say, “Well, I really wish I’d known that. I would’ve done that differently.” So you don’t want to hear that. I’ve heard that, and it hurts. Mission well and truly accomplished. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festoon Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, DualSense said: You are stretching to compare Last Jedi to Andor in any shape or form. Andor fits perfectly with things hinted at in Rogue One and builds on them. Rogue One deserves more praise. I've rarely heard Rogue One anything but praised. Despite the fact that some of the characters are a bit underwritten, and it's a bit dull, and it shows it's the victim of reshoots. Oh and Forest Whittaker overacts to a point of utter ripeness. And Bor Gullet is sold as driving a person mad and....then it doesn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festoon Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Steven said: I hated that more than the Darth Vader corridor scene - shoe-horned drivel. Both scenes. Absolute shit. Let's not forget the cartoon series Moff Tarkin there for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantoon Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 33 minutes ago, Festoon said: Oh and Forest Whittaker overacts to a point of utter ripeness. You say that like it's not the best thing 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggo Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, Festoon said: Both scenes. Absolute shit. Let's not forget the cartoon series Moff Tarkin there for some reason. Hardly some reason. He was the commander of the Death Star in Star Wars, which is set immediately after the events of Rogue One, so it would have been weird if they had just ignored such a pivotal character. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unofficial Who Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, DualSense said: You are stretching to compare Last Jedi to Andor in any shape or form. Andor fits perfectly with things hinted at in Rogue One and builds on them. Rogue One deserves more praise. Rogue One is getting a re-watch this weekend. And as a Last Jedi apologist I found it interesting to see where Andor succeeded in places where The Last Jedi failed. The Last Jedi was trying to do something different and yet still be Star Wars. With Andor there was no try, they just knocked it out of the park. The only sin is how few people seem to have watched this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unofficial Who Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Phantoon said: You say that like it's not the best thing And Andor adds context as to why Saw is so over the top and paranoid. Spoiler You literally see the point in Andor where he's broken and rendered paranoid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unofficial Who Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Steven said: I hated that more than the Darth Vader corridor scene - shoe-horned drivel. Along with Obi Wan I think they've retconned Darth Vader pretty well now. He's like a crocodile, deadly within a few metres but runs out of energy really quickly. In that suit he's just an injured man in incredible pain. It reminds me a lot of trying to run suffering chronic asthma, sure you might be golden for 100 metres but if you try to hold that pace any longer you're just fucked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festoon Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 46 minutes ago, Waggo said: Hardly some reason. He was the commander of the Death Star in Star Wars, which is set immediately after the events of Rogue One, so it would have been weird if they had just ignored such a pivotal character. He looked overexeggarated and dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festoon Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Just for reference, Andor is a million times better than Rogue One. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unofficial Who Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, Festoon said: Just for reference, Andor is a million times better than Rogue One. I think Andor is so good that it will make many other Star Wars movies and tv shows feel both better (due to the tone it's added) and worse (as a direct comparison to.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amc Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Rogue One is by far the best film of the Disney era. It's not even close. Andor is the best of Disney Star Wars TV. They go together like, er... poetry, good poetry, not George's scatty kind. I loved every bit of Andor, going to do a big binge rewatch of the lot followed by RO. Gonna be sweet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harsin Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 I thought Rogue One is a turgid mess for the first two thirds then turns into a different, much better film, in the last third all of a sudden. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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