Star Wars: Andor

[Darren]

14 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

Star Wars fans hate everything, especially women and new Star Wars stuff. Pandering to them is a thankless task.

 

Andor isn't for me but I'm glad it exists and it's nice to see everyone here appreciating it.

 

#notallStarWarsfans

[scottcr]

12 minutes ago, Pob said:

 

It's been a good intro to more adult material for my son. When he saw Luthen there, cloak billowing in the wind and laying it out to the ISB agent, he asked "is he bad?". Well, that's a complex question isn't it? He's so used to seeing stuff with goodies and baddies, baddies turning good and goodies turning bad, so it's interesting for him to see something where most characters are an evolving mixture of the two.

 

I thought that was great - he carries a long stick, wears a big long cloak - it's almost like he's a rogue Sith... I half expected him to force drag the agent out of the lift.  His monologue where he gave up everything - like giving everything up to be a Jedi.

 

I think all that imagery was deliberate.

 

On viewing figures... it hasn't bombed.  It just isn't up there with the stuff that is obviously much more kid friendly.  There was only ever going to be 2 series... and they're making the second one just now.  This will determine whether or not we're more likely to see this side of Star Wars more often or just endless stuff on Tattoine for ever.

[Girth Certificate]

the shot

 

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from above the prison with them all swimming away 

 

was fucking beautiful.

 

 

Luthen's speech could have easily come from a member of the French Resistance, IRA, Irgun or Hezbollah. Powerhouse.

 

 

 

[Vulgar Monkey]

21 minutes ago, scottcr said:

 

I thought that was great - he carries a long stick, wears a big long cloak - it's almost like he's a rogue Sith... I half expected him to force drag the agent out of the lift. 

 

Yep, definitely. I mean, not literally, we've had no reason to think he'd be a force-user, but I assume you're talking tonally rather than literally.

 

I 1000% expected the mole to be getting a blaster bolt to the solar plexus though, even after Luthen laid out how important an asset he was and the extent to which he'd sacrifice others to protect him. Even moreso, in fact - if he is so important that Luthen would do all that, but then he insists on quitting anyway? Well, that'd absolutely be a loose end that needs tying off. He'd probably find that situation 'regrettable' or some shit, and probably even mean it.

 

Plus, y'know, traditional death flags all over the place. Wouldnt be surprised if he still does end up having to do exactly that.

[Hamus]

13 hours ago, geldra said:

Was there a reason given for why the prison is all humans and no aliens?  Not nitpicking, just wondered. 

 

Budget

[yakumo]

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I can't swim

You had no right to do this with me, you goddamn piece of shit show, no right.

[mikeyl]

I can’t believe this man spent half his career prancing about as CGI goblins when we could’ve seen his beautiful expressive face. What a fucking waste.

[Stanley]

1 hour ago, Garwoofoo said:

Star Wars fans hate everything, especially women and new Star Wars stuff. Pandering to them is a thankless task.

 

Andor isn't for me but I'm glad it exists and it's nice to see everyone here appreciating it.

This is so true, a friend of mine was saying how terrible Andor is on Facebook, and how it’s boring. He’s a long time fan since the first trilogy, like me, and doesn’t think much of anything else. So you have to ask, what is it you want?

[Don Rosco]

I lurk in a good few online star wars places across various social media places. Andor is almost universally adored across them all. Of course there's people that don't like it (mostly because it's not Star Warsy enough), but the difference in reception for this and BOBF and Kenobi is quite something. It might not be picking up the casual viewers as much as other shows, but the online Star Wars fanbase is mostly loving it. 

[Don Rosco]

1 hour ago, Garwoofoo said:

Andor isn't for me but I'm glad it exists and it's nice to see everyone here appreciating it.

 

Also, this is generally the attitude of people that don't like the show, whereas there was a much higher proportion of cunts in the people that didn't like BoBF and Kenobi. 

[yakumo]

13 minutes ago, mikeyl said:

I can’t believe this man spent half his career prancing about as CGI goblins when we could’ve seen his beautiful expressive face. What a fucking waste.

He's so good isn't he?.

[Hamus]

1 hour ago, Vulgar Monkey said:

Yep, definitely. I mean, not literally, we've had no reason to think he'd be a force-user, but I assume you're talking tonally rather than literally.

 

Unless in a twist he is a Sither and wants to take down Palpy-chops. Ending in a big fight with lightning and throwing objects. GO FULL STAR WARS.

[Padaxes]

Like everyone else I am loving this, the best Star Wars since the original trilogy without a doubt. It has kindled some interest in the franchise for me again. Of course Im sure those hopes will be dashed.

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There were some things about thee escape that didnt hold up for me. 

The gaurds shooting from above scenes were a bit naff i thought, Id have made the barage of metal hitting them more effective looking as I wasnt convinced that the whole lot of prisinors wouldnt have been butchered there. I think that part of the escape could have been handled a little better. Im pretty sure they would have or should have killed the guys in the control room as well. There is no way they didnt call for backup from home base or the other prisons at that point.

Which leads me to the swimming. That was just straight up stupid. Give them a shuttle to escape in, the idea that they all swam miles to shore and got away before they were hoovered up or shot like ducks in a barrel by the cavalry is frankly unbelievable.  Never mind having the stamina to swim alll that way.

 

[ZOK]

Yes, it was silly but it looked great. I find the idea of any ocean in Star Wars not populated by killer something or others to be rather strange, but boy it looked good.

[Girth Certificate]

16 minutes ago, Padaxes said:

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There were some things about thee escape that didnt hold up for me. 

The gaurds shooting from above scenes were a bit naff i thought, Id have made the barage of metal hitting them more effective looking as I wasnt convinced that the whole lot of prisinors wouldnt have been butchered there. I think that part of the escape could have been handled a little better. Im pretty sure they would have or should have killed the guys in the control room as well. There is no way they didnt call for backup from home base or the other prisons at that point.

Which leads me to the swimming. That was just straight up stupid. Give them a shuttle to escape in, the idea that they all swam miles to shore and got away before they were hoovered up or shot like ducks in a barrel by the cavalry is frankly unbelievable.  Never mind having the stamina to swim alll that way.

 

 

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to be fair at the end of the ep only 2 were shown alive  

 

[Pob]

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I assumed there were no craft to escape on at the prison itself, and waiting to try to hijack any that arrived (assuming the facility wasn't pelted from orbit) probably seemed more risky that just swimming for it. But yeah, I don't fancy the chances for a lot of them. Ulaf would've been fucked! 

 

I wonder if we'll ever see Andy Serkis again? And I don't mean in The Force Awakens.

 

[Vulgar Monkey]

32 minutes ago, Padaxes said:

Like everyone else I am loving this, the best Star Wars since the original trilogy without a doubt. It has kindled some interest in the franchise for me again. Of course Im sure those hopes will be dashed.

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The gaurds shooting from above scenes were a bit naff i thought, Id have made the barage of metal hitting them more effective looking as I wasnt convinced that the whole lot of prisinors wouldnt have been butchered there.

 

 

 

 

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Agreed. Perhaps it was the pacing/editing between camera shots, but it did seem to take a bit longer than reasonable. But as you say, that wouldve been acceptable if the guards had a bit more resistance to deal with; the thrown tools def needed more velocity, weightiness and foley work to seem like credible threats.

 

Also, my assumption is that, as part of the low-staff high-efficiency mindset, the base probably had no shuttles of its own and only had drop-offs come in from elsewhere, so that didnt surprise me, but the swim did stretch credibility a little. My assumption was that a good number would survive (but not all), but they'd probably sensibly split up as soon as they hit shore. 

 

I like many am curious as to what happens to serkis. At the very least we may hear passing comment from ISB, but for a moment during the escape I suspected they may have to hold the prison for an episode before arranging transport in a possible siege-like situation (though perhaps more clandestine than that in an extension of Hans 'weapons malfunction, fine here, how are you?' bit), so maybe him and other non-swimmers would be hanging around until the next transport ship turns up ripe for hijacking? Realistically though I think that's not for us to know.

 

[ZOK]

So the guards were working in an ocean surrounded prison with no means of escape unless someone comes to get them? The Empire is heartless, for sure.

[Pob]

3 minutes ago, ZOK said:

So the guards were working in an ocean surrounded prison with no means of escape unless someone comes to get them? The Empire is heartless, for sure.

 

Sounds about right!

[JohnC]

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I think there’s nearly 5,000 in the prison. A shuttle isn’t going to do much good. 
 

And is there even one there? Shuttles could just be occasionally dropping off a few prisoners and leaving immediately, gone before the new guys are even processed  

 

[Pob]

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I think there’s nearly 5,000 in the prison. A shuttle isn’t going to do much good. 
 

And is there even one there? Shuttles could just be occasionally dropping off a few prisoners and leaving immediately, gone before the new guys are even processed  

 

In fact, we saw that this is exactly how it works when the prison was first introduced.

[Padaxes]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

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I think there’s nearly 5,000 in the prison. A shuttle isn’t going to do much good. 
 

And is there even one there? Shuttles could just be occasionally dropping off a few prisoners and leaving immediately, gone before the new guys are even processed  

 

 

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You would think there would be some sort of emergency craft. 
Lets face it its all made up so they could have done anything.

Id have found it much more satisfying that a limited number escaped in a shuttle and ol Andy stayed behind as a noble gesture than 
"i cant swim"  

 

[JohnC]

9 minutes ago, Padaxes said:

 

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You would think there would be some sort of emergency craft. 

 

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These are people who won’t even bother putting rails on the sides of infinitely high walkways. Safety isn’t a concern. 

 

[Vulgar Monkey]

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Dunno, feels totally on-brand to me. What better motivator is there than 'do your job, maintain control, or you're all fucked'?

 

I mean, we've established that the guards themselves are barely competent and mostly rely on the illusion of power, it's no loss to the empire if they get their heads kicked in. In fact I kinda figured being assigned to such a post is almost a punishment in itself.

 

Providing 'emergency' escape vehicles just makes actual prisoner escape a bit more viable. Net loss for no real benefit.

 

I had always assumed that the base was designed such that it could be flooded if need be (even remotely, fuck the guards), but that's probably last resort as the actual hardware and production capacity is the only thing of value there.

 

 

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Wot JohnC said.

[Stoppy2000]

35 minutes ago, Padaxes said:

 

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You would think there would be some sort of emergency craft. 
Lets face it its all made up so they could have done anything.

Id have found it much more satisfying that a limited number escaped in a shuttle and ol Andy stayed behind as a noble gesture than 
"i cant swim"  

 

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I think it's much more narratively satisfying that he was leading the breakout whilst knowing it would probably be futile for himself. Also I hope we never get his fate confirmed. 

 

[Padaxes]

36 minutes ago, JohnC said:

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These are people who won’t even bother putting rails on the sides of infinitely high walkways. Safety isn’t a concern. 

 

 

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It doesnt have to be that, they could hijack one bringing in a new prisoner , I dont know. Im just spitballing because I didnt think what happened was remotely believable . tbh it looked like the height was probably enough to kill or injure them.



 

 Its not a big deal I am really enjoying the show , just a minor niggle. 

[Darren]

6 minutes ago, Stoppy2000 said:

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I think it's much more narratively satisfying that he was leading the breakout whilst knowing it would probably be futile for himself. Also I hope we never get his fate confirmed. 

 

 

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And this makes him both directly analogous to Stellan's situation as laid out in his great speech (fighting for something he knows he'll never benefit from) and also a contrast (prepared to sacrifice himself rather than others). Masterful.

 

[ZOK]

Not really, because he was actually expecting to get to the top and be first into the escape shuttle.

 

‘You snooze you lose lads!’

[scottcr]

On Serkis

 

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Who was amazing

 

we’re not going to hear any more about him.

 

He knew he was never getting out. He was already dead - he said that anyway, so he just chose how he was going to die.

 

Typical Star Wars would’ve shown what happened or had him come back inexplicably - probably appearing on Tatoofuckingine

 

[Girth Certificate]

I could see him as a team leader working on that giant space-tuna production line with Obi Wank