Star Wars: Andor

[Scribblor]

You could have just about seen my parents' house from where Andor had his run in with the authorities. Alas, in reality there's no cafe selling green drugs there.

[Darren]

I’m calling it now. This is the best Star Wars. Ever. Yes, better than Star Wars.

[Scribblor]

For me, at 42, I totally agree. This is far, far better than any other Star Wars film or series.

 

My 10 year old son thinks it's boring and would rather watch the original trilogy.

[MardiganX]

I’m up to date and every episode I watch makes me more excited about watching Rogue One again when this season is done. It’s will be difficult to hold off but worth it in the end.

 

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The last scene with Maarva and Cassian was fantastic, as was Mon showing her banker mate that he is really just pretending with his ‘politics’  

 

[monkeydog]

11 minutes ago, MardiganX said:

I’m up to date and every episode I watch makes me more excited about watching Rogue One again when this season is done. It’s will be difficult to hold off but worth it in the end.

 

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The last scene with Maarva and Cassian was fantastic, as was Mon showing her banker mate that he is really just pretending with his ‘politics’  

 

 

Since I've finished The Bear and my covid convalescence continues, I've watched a bit of Rogue One.  It's still as uneven as ever!

[Stoppy2000]

19 hours ago, Darren said:

I’m calling it now. This is the best Star Wars. Ever. Yes, better than Star Wars.

It's good but let's not get carried away. Return of the Jedi will always be the best. 

[Grobbelboy]

Lol no. RotJ is, by far, the worst film of the original trilogy. They completely bungled the payoff to the fantastic dramatic arcs that ESB set up, the cinematography took a complete nosedive and the only moderately worthwhile stuff takes place in the very beginning and at the very end. I even prefer Episodes I and III to it. 

[The Bag]

On 20/10/2022 at 12:06, Pob said:

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I'm still not sure whether Luthen ordered Andor's assassination or whether his assistant took it upon herself.

 

 

 

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In an earlier episode he was fretting that he wasn’t careful with Andor, that he was too open, that Andor knows too much about him (notice only Vel knows who he is, none of the others nor anyone on Ferrix) - all that makes him a potential loose end & dangerous.  Now he’s fucked off instead of coming back with Vel he’s a loose end than needs taken care of.

 

I’m not sure if it matters if Luthen ordered him killed or not, except for being able to deny it later.  But the conversation with Mon Mothma in the latest episode makes it very clear where he stands on protecting & using this network he’s built, where his morals lie for it (the willingness to see regular ppl hurt by the empire to drive more ppl to their side), the only thing that matters is this nascent rebellion.

 

 So his assistance is carry out his wishes, even if not explicitly stated.  Tie up loose ends, protect the rebellion.

 

The only way Andor doesn’t get offed is turning up with Vel & pledging himself to the cause.  Although now going to prison, breaking out (if we don’t get a time skip) and not betraying them while becoming a true believer would seem to be the path.

 

[Pob]

1 hour ago, The Bag said:

 

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In an earlier episode he was fretting that he wasn’t careful with Andor, that he was too open, that Andor knows too much about him (notice only Vel knows who he is, none of the others nor anyone on Ferrix) - all that makes him a potential loose end & dangerous.  Now he’s fucked off instead of coming back with Vel he’s a loose end than needs taken care of.

 

I’m not sure if it matters if Luthen ordered him killed or not, except for being able to deny it later.  But the conversation with Mon Mothma in the latest episode makes it very clear where he stands on protecting & using this network he’s built, where his morals lie for it (the willingness to see regular ppl hurt by the empire to drive more ppl to their side), the only thing that matters is this nascent rebellion.

 

 So his assistance is carry out his wishes, even if not explicitly stated.  Tie up loose ends, protect the rebellion.

 

The only way Andor doesn’t get offed is turning up with Vel & pledging himself to the cause.  Although now going to prison, breaking out (if we don’t get a time skip) and not betraying them while becoming a true believer would seem to be the path.

 

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Yeah, it’s that conversation about Luthen leaving himself exposed that made me think his assistant (Clea?) took it upon herself to order Andor’s assassination. My guess is she’s trying to protect Luthen by taking measures even he wouldn’t want to go through with. I don’t think Luthen would go through all that risk in ep3, give Andor that heartfelt speech and then just give up on him.

 

[MardiganX]

All this talk about Luthen’s assistant and not a single mention to how absolutely bad ass she looked as she strolled through Coruscant! Another great, unassuming character that like Luthen has so much more going on.

[Pob]

39 minutes ago, MardiganX said:

All this talk about Luthen’s assistant and not a single mention to how absolutely bad ass she looked as she strolled through Coruscant! Another great, unassuming character that like Luthen has so much more going on.

Yeah, that was another great ‘travelling through Coruscant” scene. The TV format gives time to linger on things like that. Great costumes again. 

[Darwock]

I didn’t even recognize it was her until I read it here. Same goes for the person she met - I was looking at her going “where have I seen this person before - although I did figure that out before the end of the scene at least.

[mikeyl]

a banger! Seriously never heard anything so contemporary in all of the Star Wars. For the first few bars I was wtf are they putting in pop music #notmystarwars, but then the hook comes and suddenly, yes! This is exactly what a shit space Ibiza would sound like. Like everything else in this show, perfection.

[jonamok]

Well, that was marvellous. Again. Think I’m almost with Darren that this is the best of all Star Wars. It’s certainly better than anything bar SW and ESB, and who knows, if it can keep this up all the way through…

 

It’s certainly (by far) the best written, best acted and best looking thing from that galaxy far, far away.

 

We are so fucking lucky they gave this to the Gilroys and Sanne Wohlenberg (she produced Chernobyl). Just pure fucking quality. 

[cavalcade]

It's absolutely brilliant. And I hope we get more of it and it's not spoiled by people saying it's booooring cos there's no layzors innit all the tiiiime. 

 

I'd recommend it as a great gateway product for discussing fascism with tweenage and above kids. I can't think of any other YA or scifi property that has presented the realities of oppression and the oppressors in such a banal and normalised, yet sinister, way. 

 

I don't think it touches BSG at its best, but it's certainly marvellous.

[Darwock]

Well we all know what happened to BSG so let’s hope this manages to avoid that.

[cavalcade]

I will clarify... It's not as good as early/peak BSG, but better than late BSG. But then a bout of thrush is better than late BSG.

[Twinbee]

Have been musing on this wonderful show for a while. I wasn’t that bothered for “serious” Star Wars. Like a couple of others, I wasn’t wild about Rogue One (though I enjoyed it more second time around). 
 

I felt Mando was peak Saturday afternoon action telly, and really didn’t *need* a show like Andor. I only started watching it because I had a long train journey. But blimey, this really is great. 
 

I’m not nerdy enough to work out where this timeline is in relation to other things, but it’s hard to think that in a nearby star system, Flea from the Chilli Peppers is legging it through a forest after a wise-cracking lil Leia. 

[Jammy]

3 minutes ago, Twinbee said:

I’m not nerdy enough to work out where this timeline is in relation to other things, but it’s hard to think that in a nearby star system, Flea from the Chilli Peppers is legging it through a forest after a wise-cracking lil Leia. 

Lucky for you that I am then ! Obi-Wan is set 5 years earlier than this, which in turn is 5 years before Rogue One/A New Hope.

[Jamie John]

I've avoided this thread for fear of spoilers. Is this worth watching? I enjoyed The Mandolorian but heard that The Book of Boba Fett was shite. How does this compare?

[Darwock]

It’s in another universe of quality. Like if you made a show for the kids that grew up after falling in love with science fiction courtesy of Star Wars and later discovering serious science fiction that had matured into intelligent adults - and did it well.

 

Whereas BOBF was more like “A Rancor! I want to ride it.”

[Twinbee]

26 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

I've avoided this thread for fear of spoilers. Is this worth watching? I enjoyed The Mandolorian but heard that The Book of Boba Fett was shite. How does this compare?

It has more of a feel/aesthetic of a gritty BBC drama than anything traditionally ‘Star Warsy’. Hard to compare it to other SW fare. Give it a couple of episodes, and if it’s intriguing go in until episode 6, which is remarkable. 

[Jamie John]

Cheers both. A while back I watched the first episode, which I enjoyed - very Blade Runner-inspired - but I wanted to know if it was worth sticking with. I'll get it watched 👍

[Jammy]

5 hours ago, Jamie John said:

Cheers both. A while back I watched the first episode, which I enjoyed - very Blade Runner-inspired - but I wanted to know if it was worth sticking with. I'll get it watched 👍

It gets better with each episode

[Darren]

14 hours ago, Jamie John said:

I've avoided this thread for fear of spoilers. Is this worth watching? I enjoyed The Mandolorian but heard that The Book of Boba Fett was shite. How does this compare?

 

On 20/10/2022 at 23:09, Darren said:

I’m calling it now. This is the best Star Wars. Ever. Yes, better than Star Wars.

 

Don't make me tap the sign!

[Kevvy Metal]

15 hours ago, Darwock said:

It’s in another universe of quality. Like if you made a show for the kids that grew up after falling in love with science fiction courtesy of Star Wars and later discovering serious science fiction that had matured into intelligent adults - and did it well.

 

Whereas BOBF was more like “A Rancor! I want to ride it.”

 

This thread - and most Star Wars threads here - are just not for me, and my opinion, as personnaly I don't think this makes BOBF or any of the other more light-hearted and adventurous in tone Stars Wars stuff "bad" or "crap" or whatever. I was pissing myself with glee at that moment, of Boba Fett riding a Rancor, or the cool pose both him and Mando bust out during the stand off. It's beautiful comic book stuff. 

 

This is completely different in tone, and great to see! I'm very much enjoying Andor, but this notion that the other Star Wars stuff is crap and this is more like it is just absolutely crazy to me. The variety is a strong-suit, not some sort of revelatory break from the prior.  

[FishyFish]

10 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

This thread - and most Star Wars threads here - are just not for me, and my opinion, as personnaly I don't think this makes BOBF or any of the other more light-hearted and adventurous in tone Stars Wars stuff "bad" or "crap" or whatever. I was pissing myself with glee at that moment, of Boba Fett riding a Rancor, or the cool pose both him and Mando bust out during the stand off. It's beautiful comic book stuff. 

 

This is completely different in tone, and great to see! I'm very much enjoying Andor, but this notion that the other Star Wars stuff is crap and this is more like it is just absolutely crazy to me. The variety is a strong-suit, not some sort of revelatory break from the prior.  

 

I found BoBF to be a huge letdown. It's not because of the tone though - I really like The Mandalorian and its space-western vibe - it was just poorly put together. It's saying something when most people's favourite episodes were the ones featuring the Mandlorian.

[Gigawatt]

This is so, so good.  It's been said many times in here and I agree with you all, this is a breath of fresh air after the 'meh' of Obi-Wan and the rubbishness of BOBF.  Indulge me for a minute while I quote myself from Page 4 of this thread:

 

On 01/08/2022 at 14:58, Gigawatt said:

If Rogue One was the spiritual Episode 3 then this is the new Episode 2 and Disney are secretly slowly pushing the Prequels out of existence.

 

It feels like this is happening (in my head anyway).  I've been blown away by how great this series has been.

 

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This week, the scene with Mon Mothma and Patrick from Coupling was absolutely gripping.  Just the way she speaks, the small inflections, the "keep smiling", it's exactly what I wanted from this.  I love it.

 

 

[Kevvy Metal]

23 minutes ago, FishyFish said:

 

I found BoBF to be a huge letdown. It's not because of the tone though - I really like The Mandalorian and its space-western vibe - it was just poorly put together. It's saying something when most people's favourite episodes were the ones featuring the Mandlorian.

 

I do agree that the structure of it was completely bizarre with the Mando diversion. 

[Scribblor]

2 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

This thread - and most Star Wars threads here - are just not for me, and my opinion, as personnaly I don't think this makes BOBF or any of the other more light-hearted and adventurous in tone Stars Wars stuff "bad" or "crap" or whatever. I was pissing myself with glee at that moment, of Boba Fett riding a Rancor, or the cool pose both him and Mando bust out during the stand off. It's beautiful comic book stuff. 

 

This is completely different in tone, and great to see! I'm very much enjoying Andor, but this notion that the other Star Wars stuff is crap and this is more like it is just absolutely crazy to me. The variety is a strong-suit, not some sort of revelatory break from the prior.  

I haven't seen the Obi Wan or Boba Fett shows, and only watched the first season of The Mandalorian, so my feelings on this aren't based on how good or bad those shows are.

 

When I say I think this is the best Star Wars (that I've seen, I guess), that doesn't mean I think the other examples are suddenly bad or crap. I still really like the original trilogy. I still think the prequels are rubbish. I still think TFA was a fun way to reinvigorate the franchise even if it was a bit flimsy. I still think TLJ is really good and TROS is appalling.

 

I still think Rogue One is great and Solo is entirely forgettable.

 

I feel the same about all the other Star Wars after watching Andor as I did before watching it.

 

I just think Andor is better than all of them, by quite a way.