The Mandalorian

[PK]

Yeah, when the Imperial officer said something about "you'll be well rewarded in the new era" I assumed she was talking about what would eventually become the First Order

[Benny]

Are we just going full on spoilers without tags now? Anyway,

 

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I assume the clones are their attempts to make a "perfect" copy of the Emperor, and presumably Snoke is just the most successful failed experiment.

 

[Harsin]

Now and again I forget about the sequels when watching this and get excited thinking what might come after this post-RotJ transitional era, then I remember they exist and it's just The Empire v2.0 (now with black uniforms!) and lol The Emperor's not dead and feel a bit sad.

[Stoppy2000]

3 minutes ago, Harsin said:

Now and again I forget about the sequels when watching this and get excited thinking what might come after this post-RotJ transitional era, then I remember they exist and it's just The Empire v2.0 (now with black uniforms!) and lol The Emperor's not dead and feel a bit sad.

On the flip side we will hopefully get brand new films that aren't at all tied to the Skywalkers and they might be actually really good. 

[Stoppy2000]

45 minutes ago, Benny said:

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I assume the clones are their attempts to make a "perfect" copy of the Emperor, and presumably Snoke is just the most successful failed experiment.

 

In ROS doesn't Palpatine say something about how he created Snoke? Or did I imagine that? I know they can retcon pretty much anything by saying it was true from a certain point of view...

[Benny]

Vaguely interested in watching that Clone Wars cartoon for the first time after people praising Dave Filoni in this thread, so started following that episode guide with the first season 3 episode about clone troopers and... I cannot get over that there is a children's cartoon where literal slaves bred for war are being trained to fight and die for "the good guys" and a character choosing not to go AWOL and return to his unit to fight and die in a war they've literally been made for is portrayed as a great and heroic thing. It's actually quite disgusting to watch.

[Matt Defis]

People just echoing what I've been peddling for years about Dave Filoni, the guy is just the best, he still wouldn't answer my question when I met him about who the voice was in the Sith Holocron in Rebels.

[Benny]

Basically the Jedi are all cunts and Palpatine was right.

[Matt Defis]

The Clone Wars make a big point of showing the Jedi for the arrogant, self righteous idiots they really are which culminates at the end of season 5, they're definitely not the good guys.

[Benny]

Hokey religions.

[Captain Kelsten]

He particularly gets across Obi Wan’s blind devotion to the Jedi and signifies that with some harsh lessons and character growth. Well, not growth, cus he stays the same, but Filoni isn’t afraid to beat him down as a result. 

[Matt Defis]

While that's true @Doctor Shark I'd argue he clearly grows considering how his arc ends in

 

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Rebels and how little Maul has learnt

But yeah, he's clearly the fool that follows during the clone wars. 

[Waggo]

Looking at Star Wars in it's entirety though who is the bigger fool Obi Wan or Yoda?

[Vulgar Monkey]

5 hours ago, Benny said:

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I assume the clones are their attempts to make a "perfect" copy of the Emperor, and presumably Snoke is just the most successful failed experiment.

 

 

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Oh shit, what if snoke is one of the ones we saw in this very episode, and the reason for all the scarring is him escaping his pod during the lavaflows?

SW does like fucking people with lava....

 

[Matt Defis]

39 minutes ago, Waggo said:

Looking at Star Wars in it's entirety though who is the bigger fool Obi Wan or Yoda?

Yoda was a completely blind prick all along if you watch clone wars. 

[drmick]

4 hours ago, Benny said:

Vaguely interested in watching that Clone Wars cartoon for the first time after people praising Dave Filoni in this thread, so started following that episode guide with the first season 3 episode about clone troopers and... I cannot get over that there is a children's cartoon where literal slaves bred for war are being trained to fight and die for "the good guys" and a character choosing not to go AWOL and return to his unit to fight and die in a war they've literally been made for is portrayed as a great and heroic thing. It's actually quite disgusting to watch.

 

That was Lucas' fault for the premise. The cartoon a decent enough job given that the before and after were already established. 

[Waggo]

That is my take as well.  Then even in Empire he refuses to train Luke which was the ‘master plan’ he had sat on for 20 years!!!!

[Benny]

To be fair, the entire moral basis for the story the Clone Wars show is based on is flawed, so it's merely continuing the problematic content.

[Captain Kelsten]

1 hour ago, Benny said:

To be fair, the entire moral basis for the story the Clone Wars show is based on is flawed, so it's merely continuing the problematic content.

 

The Clone Wars series does three amazing things:

 

1 - Makes Anakin a brilliant character

2 - Introduces Ahsoka

3 - Gives the Clones personalities which makes the fact they are bred to die in someone else's war even more tragic.

 

Considering what they had to work with, and knowing what came before and after in terms of AotC and RotS, they did a bloody brilliant job, imo. 

[womblingfree]

So many youngsters simply love the Prequels. I found it completely baffling, but they love them as much as we love the OT.

 

[Captain Kelsten]

1 hour ago, womblingfree said:

So many youngsters simply love the Prequels. I found it completely baffling, but they love them as much as we love the OT.

 

I find that particularly hard to believe (although I know it’s true) about Phantom Menace, which is a two hour movie about a trade dispute. I watched it again recently with my eldest and it’s just a boring film. 

[Garwoofoo]

I’ve been watching the whole lot with my son and yep, he loves the prequels. 
 

The Phantom Menace has an appalling opening 30 minutes or so (trade disputes, blockades, senators etc) but once you get to the pod race it settles down into something more straightforward. My son thinks Jar Jar is really funny. Don’t be surprised when something that is aimed at kids is actually enjoyed by kids.

[SpagMasterSwift]

Or your son grows up to be a massive racist...

 

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I’m kidding...

 

[Garwoofoo]

Yeah, it is a bit problematic, and it’s not just Jar Jar - the shifty oriental Trade Federation guys and the blantantly Jewish shopkeeper are as bad if not worse. I’m not actually defending the movie! But I can see why kids like it.

[JPL]

38 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

Yeah, it is a bit problematic, and it’s not just Jar Jar - the shifty oriental Trade Federation guys and the blantantly Jewish shopkeeper are as bad if not worse. I’m not actually defending the movie! But I can see why kids like it.

Do you mean Watto? How is he blatantly Jewish? I’ve just checked and it’s not him, but I always thought he was voiced by Cheech Marin! It’s a good impression of him.

[Jg15]

20 hours ago, JohnC said:

That’s it, show ruined, time to cancel it. Crew member appears in a shot. RUINED. 

 

 

[womblingfree]

[Garwoofoo]

1 hour ago, JPL said:

Do you mean Watto? How is he blatantly Jewish? I’ve just checked and it’s not him, but I always thought he was voiced by Cheech Marin! It’s a good impression of him.

 

A hook-nosed, skullcap-wearing greedy merchant ticks a LOT of boxes for Jewish stereotypes. I'm no expert so maybe I'm over-reaching here but Watto makes me as uncomfortable as Harry Potter's banking goblins.

[JPL]

40 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

 

A hook-nosed, skullcap-wearing greedy merchant ticks a LOT of boxes for Jewish stereotypes. I'm no expert so maybe I'm over-reaching here but Watto makes me as uncomfortable as Harry Potter's banking goblins.

Maybe you’re right. I’ve just never thought of it that way.

[womblingfree]

Looks like Filoni is doing the same for the Sequels with The Mandalorian that he did for the Prequels with Clone Wars and Rebels. That is, make a coherent and compelling story-arc from the rubble of incomprehensible nonsense.