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1 hour ago, Benny said:

To be fair, the entire moral basis for the story the Clone Wars show is based on is flawed, so it's merely continuing the problematic content.

 

The Clone Wars series does three amazing things:

 

1 - Makes Anakin a brilliant character

2 - Introduces Ahsoka

3 - Gives the Clones personalities which makes the fact they are bred to die in someone else's war even more tragic.

 

Considering what they had to work with, and knowing what came before and after in terms of AotC and RotS, they did a bloody brilliant job, imo. 

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1 hour ago, womblingfree said:

So many youngsters simply love the Prequels. I found it completely baffling, but they love them as much as we love the OT.

 

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I find that particularly hard to believe (although I know it’s true) about Phantom Menace, which is a two hour movie about a trade dispute. I watched it again recently with my eldest and it’s just a boring film. 

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I’ve been watching the whole lot with my son and yep, he loves the prequels. 
 

The Phantom Menace has an appalling opening 30 minutes or so (trade disputes, blockades, senators etc) but once you get to the pod race it settles down into something more straightforward. My son thinks Jar Jar is really funny. Don’t be surprised when something that is aimed at kids is actually enjoyed by kids.

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38 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

Yeah, it is a bit problematic, and it’s not just Jar Jar - the shifty oriental Trade Federation guys and the blantantly Jewish shopkeeper are as bad if not worse. I’m not actually defending the movie! But I can see why kids like it.

Do you mean Watto? How is he blatantly Jewish? I’ve just checked and it’s not him, but I always thought he was voiced by Cheech Marin! It’s a good impression of him.

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1 hour ago, JPL said:

Do you mean Watto? How is he blatantly Jewish? I’ve just checked and it’s not him, but I always thought he was voiced by Cheech Marin! It’s a good impression of him.

 

A hook-nosed, skullcap-wearing greedy merchant ticks a LOT of boxes for Jewish stereotypes. I'm no expert so maybe I'm over-reaching here but Watto makes me as uncomfortable as Harry Potter's banking goblins.

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40 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

 

A hook-nosed, skullcap-wearing greedy merchant ticks a LOT of boxes for Jewish stereotypes. I'm no expert so maybe I'm over-reaching here but Watto makes me as uncomfortable as Harry Potter's banking goblins.

Maybe you’re right. I’ve just never thought of it that way.

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I know this isn't really the Clone Wars thread, but I've been very impressed with the quality of its visual style - so many of the action sequences are far more creative and actually easier to follow than any of the madly chaotic crap in the prequels or recent trilogy.

 

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Like a zero g action sequence that was genuinely cool.

 

Although then I have to laugh when I remember that this is apparently aimed at 6 year olds and

 

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there's a scene where a loads of clone troopers with flame throwers burn some bug people to death :lol:

 

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1 hour ago, JPL said:

Maybe you’re right. I’ve just never thought of it that way.


The Prequels were criticised at the time for racial stereotyping. Jar-Jar is a not very good Jamaican stereotype, Watto is a sneaky Jewish stereotype and the Neimodians are stereotype Chinese. Probably some more I’ve missed.

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5 hours ago, womblingfree said:


The Prequels were criticised at the time for racial stereotyping. Jar-Jar is a not very good Jamaican stereotype, Watto is a sneaky Jewish stereotype and the Neimodians are stereotype Chinese. Probably some more I’ve missed.


If anyone hasn’t heard it, this interview clip with Peter Serafinowicz sums things up pretty well (worth listening to the end for the Terrance Stamp anecdote):

 

 

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On 19/11/2020 at 11:01, Darren said:

I've tried Clone Wars twice at least and never got into it at all, but I think I never got past the dodgy first couple of series and on to the stuff that everyone raves about. I really ought to give it another go using that reddit guide.

It's excellent. But yeah, use a guide to skip the crap filler. It can't be oblivious to anyone that most of the recommended episodes are at the start and end of each season... 

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9 hours ago, Benny said:

I know this isn't really the Clone Wars thread, but I've been very impressed with the quality of its visual style - so many of the action sequences are far more creative and actually easier to follow than any of the madly chaotic crap in the prequels or recent trilogy.

 

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Like a zero g action sequence that was genuinely cool.

 

Although then I have to laugh when I remember that this is apparently aimed at 6 year olds and

 

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there's a scene where a loads of clone troopers with flame throwers burn some bug people to death :lol:

 

 

Give this a watch when you have made your way through it:

 

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Tl:dr - the show really pulls no punches!

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21 hours ago, womblingfree said:

Looks like Filoni is doing the same for the Sequels with The Mandalorian that he did for the Prequels with Clone Wars and Rebels. That is, make a coherent and compelling story-arc from the rubble of incomprehensible nonsense.

 

Yeah this is what I like most about his work. Like it or not, the story of Star Wars is now that the Emperor did not die when Vader chucked him down a bottomless pit but simply enacted a long-gestating plan for immortality. To be fair it's well set up in Revenge of the Sith, if you accept Star Wars in the round rather than rejecting everything outside of the OT, so I'm starting to warm to it despite the crappy execution in TROS.

 

These days Palpatine is much more integral to the Clone Wars era than he is the OT era. Ultimately, he's the overarching bad guy across all three trilogies, much more so than Vader. It should be called the Palptatine Saga not the Skywalker saga!

 

In hindsight I think that Palpatine going for some bastardised Sith version of the 'force ghost' thing is ultimately a better story for the Star Wars saga as a whole than some brand new super-baddie (Snoke) appearing out of the nowhere sometime after ROTJ.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing the mythology fleshed out in the Disney+ stuff. I do agree that it makes good background world-building rather than being the focus, though.

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22 hours ago, Benny said:

I know this isn't really the Clone Wars thread, but I've been very impressed with the quality of its visual style - so many of the action sequences are far more creative and actually easier to follow than any of the madly chaotic crap in the prequels or recent trilogy.

 

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Like a zero g action sequence that was genuinely cool.

 

Although then I have to laugh when I remember that this is apparently aimed at 6 year olds and

 

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there's a scene where a loads of clone troopers with flame throwers burn some bug people to death :lol:

 

We’ve just got to that episode, it’s a real step up in action, it’s like the kids tv show became a brutal war film. 

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1 hour ago, Pob said:

In hindsight I think that Palpatine going for some bastardised Sith version of the 'force ghost' thing is ultimately a better story for the Star Wars saga as a whole than some brand new super-baddie (Snoke) appearing out of the nowhere sometime after ROTJ.

 

Yeah, the main problem with the whole Palpatine thing was the terrible way it was handled in TROS - and the way it appeared out of nowhere, in an intro crawl of all the fucking things, after two movies suggesting the story was something else entirely - rather than the plan itself. If it had been built up properly and handled better it wouldn't have been half as jarring as it ended up being. If the Mandalorian ends up being that missing bit of exposition and world-building then it'll be doing the whole saga a service (as well as, hopefully, continuing to be a wildly entertaining series in its own right).

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It's been really tough to avoid this thread as I've only just binged the 4 new episodes this weekend - what an excellent season this is turning into, particularly the first and third episodes.  As a huge fan of the New Canon books as well as the Clone Wars/Rebels series, I'm really impressed with the way they're building things up, dropping in subtle references etc.

 

Cannot wait til Friday's going by the episode title....

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2 hours ago, Garwoofoo said:

 

Yeah, the main problem with the whole Palpatine thing was the terrible way it was handled in TROS - and the way it appeared out of nowhere, in an intro crawl of all the fucking things, after two movies suggesting the story was something else entirely - rather than the plan itself. If it had been built up properly and handled better it wouldn't have been half as jarring as it ended up being. If the Mandalorian ends up being that missing bit of exposition and world-building then it'll be doing the whole saga a service (as well as, hopefully, continuing to be a wildly entertaining series in its own right).

 

Maybe JJ Abrams can retcon a post-credits sequence into The Force Awakens where we see a mysterious red-tinged area of space, zoom in on a gothic planet and suddenly a manky Palpatine head pops out of a gooey bacta tank, like that bit at the end of Masters of the Universe.

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On 22/11/2020 at 12:37, womblingfree said:

Looks like Filoni is doing the same for the Sequels with The Mandalorian that he did for the Prequels with Clone Wars and Rebels. That is, make a coherent and compelling story-arc from the rubble of incomprehensible nonsense.

I’m a big Filoni fan but isn’t this Jon Favreau’s baby? He’s the shows creator and main writer. He’s written all the episodes so far this season. 

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