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Anyone else tried it? I was super suspicious but damn it actually works. I've been playing Wolfenstein II on my MacBook on ultra. Very occasional stutters but that might be my wifi. I've been wanting to get a PC for a while but can't afford it. This plugs the gap pretty bloody well for me right now. You need a good internet connection mind.

 

https://shadow.tech/gben

 

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Nvidia are beta testing Geforce Now which is the same thing. I've tried that and it's pretty impressive tbh. Certainly gives credence to the idea that consoles will eventually stream rather than house expensive hardware.

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The latency was the thing that shocked me the most. I assumed it would be crap and laggy. Maybe the days of having a powerful CPU and graphics in your house are numbered after all. I can't justify 3k on a computer but 100 quid on a client + 20 odd quid a month I can.

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9 minutes ago, mexos said:

The latency was the thing that shocked me the most. I assumed it would be crap and laggy. Maybe the days of having a powerful CPU and graphics in your house are numbered after all. I can't justify 3k on a computer but 100 quid on a client + 20 odd quid a month I can.

 

Not so sure, I think it will go the same way as buying a car. How many people have them on some form of finance / leasing scheme these days yet there will always be people (myself included) that would rather own their own machine. That said, it doesn't mean I would write off not using the service entirely down the road.

 

Sounds saft but what happens when you have a power cut (you could still use your gaming laptop if you had one), what if there are fibre optics upgrades in your area and your connection keeps dropping out, what if someone cuts through your line, what if someone else is hogging loads of bandwidth and it affects the performance?

 

And then another note would be VR if you are into that thing, does it work? I imagine not currently due to hardware demands and latency etc but could it one day? Idk.

 

Anyway's questions about the service because I don't know loads about it, does the 20 quid a month mean you have access to games i.e. Xbox game pass or do you then have to buy the games on top of your monthly fee?

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5 minutes ago, Luseth said:

 

Not so sure, I think it will go the same way as buying a car. How many people have them on some form of finance / leasing scheme these days yet there will always be people (myself included) that would rather own their own machine. That said, it doesn't mean I would write off not using the service entirely down the road.

 

Sounds saft but what happens when you have a power cut (you could still use your gaming laptop if you had one), what if there are fibre optics upgrades in your area and your connection keeps dropping out, what if someone cuts through your line, what if someone else is hogging loads of bandwidth and it affects the performance?

 

And then another note would be VR if you are into that thing, does it work? I imagine not currently due to hardware demands and latency etc but could it one day? Idk.

 

Anyway's questions about the service because I don't know loads about it, does the 20 quid a month mean you have access to games i.e. Xbox game pass or do you then have to buy the games on top of your monthly fee?

 

Nah it's just access to a high powered PC. I downloaded games though Steam. VR I recon would work with the client they are developing eventually - I'm using it on my Macbook and can't get my wheel to work, but xbox controller and mouse are fine. 

 

Personally if I don't have internet I don't use my devices, but that it just me. I've got fibre so it's up pretty much all the time. I wouldn't use a service like this for work, but for dicking about playing games at a level I couldn't otherwise afford it's pretty cool

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Yeah no internet it's do something non tech time. Plus the amount of times my net has gone down for more than an hour in the last couple of years I can count on my left hand. It's obviously not for everyone but I think it's something I'd definitely use in the not too distant.

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It’s interesting that the reason the switch is so important to me is that it has achieved what I wanted PS4+Vita streaming to achieve, but the latency, just rendered it shite.

 

I think (sell device at profit) Apple and Nintendo will stand against stream-ya-console for a subscription (Microsoft & google).

 

I want the latter, but the former respect your privacy (if not your money) far more than the latter, so I think it will be a while before I jump in.

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So my PC is starting to get a bit long in the tooth (GTX 780) so I decided to throw caution to the wind and lay down the money for a month.

 

After I'd signed up on the website, it took about 5 hours to get my account activated. Keep in mind that during this time you'll be able to login on the website, but not the application itself. Also, prior to account activation there also is no visible way to cancel. This is just in case, like me, you freak out about that kind of thing. Not to worry though as the button becomes available in the settings soon after.

 

Once I got through the laborious Windows 10 setup phase (made all the more difficult because of difficulty typing / clicking - this seemed to sort itself out after I restarted my instance), I found out I had a P5000 instead of a GTX1080. Most benchies put them close anyway and I think the setup changes each time you bagsie a "shadow" instance, so it's not really an issue. I downloaded Steam and installed Rise of the Tomb Raider. Went into the settings and ramped everything up to max along with the resolution (which in my case is 1080p). Started the game and I must admit I was really.. really impressed. Sure, there are one or two stutters but nothing which effects the gameplay. Framerates were between 40-60fps and it looked amazing. The shocking thing for me was that my PC was running almost deathly silent whilst playing it, which makes it all the more enjoyable and doesn't turn my room into a sauna.

 

Next game I tried was the Witcher 3. After installing it and forgetting which game installer it belonged to (GOG), I maxed everything again and ran the game. In this case I was a little less impressed. I'm not sure if the game has just aged, but compared to the sparkly graphics of Tomb Raiser, the Witcher 3 just looked flat by comparison. It also didn't help that it felt like it had a tiny bit of input lag. To be honest, I even had that input lag when playing natively on my machine so maybe it's just me but I was hoping that this was down to the framerate and would have left a better impression, which unfortunately it didn't. Still, maybe I'll try playing it again at a later stage.

 

I'm downloading Warhammer Vermintide 2 next which I think should show off the graphics grunt a bit more, so am just waiting for that to download. The connection is a 1gb, but I've found that rarely does it beat my own in getting 50Mb+/sec on steam, so most games still can take up to 10-20 minutes to download depending on size. Will post more impressions as I get them but so far am very impressed by the technology and what they've accomplished.

 

I'd say if you've got a rubbish / aging PC but don't want to shell out thousands, it definitely seems worth it so far from my experience. Given the fact I'm sure they're going to upgrade their hardware to the RTX cards eventually, I can't really see a reason not to.

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On 28/08/2018 at 13:24, mexos said:

The latency was the thing that shocked me the most. I assumed it would be crap and laggy. Maybe the days of having a powerful CPU and graphics in your house are numbered after all. I can't justify 3k on a computer but 100 quid on a client + 20 odd quid a month I can.

 just to put this out there, you could get a decent PC for £110 up front then £27 a month ( check out pc specialist). and then you would actually have pc.

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Ok, I'm fully sold on this thing. Vermintide 2 looks absolutely amazing and these games play like I'm playing natively. Will try some Battlefield 1 tomorrow I think but getting late now.

 

21 minutes ago, 5R7 said:

 just to put this out there, you could get a decent PC for £110 up front then £27 a month ( check out pc specialist). and then you would actually have pc.

 

I guess the difference here is that you're not buying into a 2+ year contract and can cancel whenever you like though.

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26 minutes ago, 5R7 said:

 just to put this out there, you could get a decent PC for £110 up front then £27 a month ( check out pc specialist). and then you would actually have pc.

Maybe part of the attraction too is that you can play anywhere (well that has a decent network connection anyway...)

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plus I imagine they will upgrade the pcs over time

 

how does this even work? Do they just have thousands of pcs somewhere that run your game then send it all to your pc? 

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Allegedly not. Time will tell. So far it has been brilliant. I've been playing Wolfenstein II on my little Mac and it looks stunning. I do get a random stutter every so often - this can be anything from 5 - 10 - 30 mins apart. Each time the stutter lasts 3-5 secs max and that is it. The frame rate is rock solid and no perceivable latency. I don't event notice it really now. I'm going to try a wired connection and see if that makes a difference.

 

If anyone wants to try it for cheap I've got a code for £10 off (I get the same if anyone uses it). It's STEOTT44

 

I used one some guy had put on his YouTube. It's no commitment so I thought I'd give it a go. I've pretty much abandoned the idea of building my own rig now. I now need to know if my Mac can output 144hz to a monitor as playing on a 12 inch screen is cool and all but a bit challenging. I've just shelled out on an esports mouse. :ph34r: 

 

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44 minutes ago, tronied said:

I guess the difference here is that you're not buying into a 2+ year contract and can cancel whenever you like though.

 

Exactly my thought when signing up. If it turns to shit or just stops working no big deal I just cancel.

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9 hours ago, mexos said:

If anyone wants to try it for cheap I've got a code for £10 off (I get the same if anyone uses it). It's STEOTT44

 

 

Used this to give it a go. Cheers

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Managed to give this a short go earlier so some thoughts. 

 

Setup was painless and quick, so installed Steam straight away and again no issues. 

 

Decided I'd give Wreckfest a go. Put it all up to Ultra and it looks fantastic and runs super smoothly, I really couldn't notice any input lag at all. I am sure it'd be noticeable on a fighter or something, but on this it felt great. 

 

Main issue was that it seemed to have massive resolution drops almost all the time, so everything became low-res, which made it hard to see what I was doing. I am on a 300MB connection, my ping was less than 20m/s so shouldn't have had any issues. But they were there. 

It is a shame, because when it was at full res it was an amazing experience. 

 

Going to try again later and see if it works any better.

 

I am not instantly sold on keeping this going for the monthly fee, but neither am I going to bin it for sure. 

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2 hours ago, bradigor said:

Main issue was that it seemed to have massive resolution drops almost all the time, so everything became low-res, which made it hard to see what I was doing. I am on a 300MB connection, my ping was less than 20m/s so shouldn't have had any issues. But they were there. 

 

 

Hmm, I've not seen resolution drops before... How long does that last for?

 

There are a few things you can try. Turn off all beta features apart from launch fullscreen on launch. Use a wired connection instead of wireless (that reduced my ping from 9 to 7 when I had a quick go).  Oh and in app set the connection to less than you think. I've got a 70mb connection but I set it in app to 30mb and it runs fine. I didn't notice any difference graphically from 30/50mb. I can't be sure but it feels like the stutters were fewer on 30mb. Because I'm on a Mac with 1 port I haven't had a chance to try wired extensively yet (power or ethernet, you decide. Thanks Apple :rolleyes:

 

You could also try H.265 - it's an option for lower bandwidth connections. 

 

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Maybe when Cyberpunk 2077 is out then. Otherwise it's a no. The PC has nothing I don't already have on my PS4 Pro. The only reason I'm interested in spending money on a PC in the future is for VR, specifically Elite Dangerous in VR. 

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I can finally play the Twitch Prime library I have built up too. 

 

However, I gave GRIP a go and it was buttery smooth. I had it stutter once or twice for a second or two, but it gave better performance than I ever got on my own PC. 

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38 minutes ago, bradigor said:

I can finally play the Twitch Prime library I have built up too. 

 

However, I gave GRIP a go and it was buttery smooth. I had it stutter once or twice for a second or two, but it gave better performance than I ever got on my own PC. 

 

Did you get a wheel working for Wreckfest? I've been trying to get mine to work but no nice yet. I quite fancy trying it. 

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1 minute ago, mexos said:

 

Did you get a wheel working for Wreckfest? I've been trying to get mine to work but no nice yet. I quite fancy trying it. 

 

I on't have a wheel unfortunately. 

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