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Part of the problem is that Picard seems to be based on the TNG movies, rather than the show. We’ve ended up with a series that’s using dreck like Nemesis as its main source of inspiration. 

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3 hours ago, Benny said:

I think I'll give this three episodes. Probably not something to renew my Prime sub over.

Prime has loads of good things going for it. Not including the free deliveries.

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5 hours ago, Garwoofoo said:

Part of the problem is that Picard seems to be based on the TNG movies, rather than the show. We’ve ended up with a series that’s using dreck like Nemesis as its main source of inspiration. 


Certainly seems that way. In retrospect, I’d rather the TNG movies never happened. 

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I do like First Contact but I'd honestly prefer to watch Generations or Insurrection over First Contact if I was given the choice. Generations and Insurrection both feel like latter season TNG two parters (moreso Generations than Insurrection). First Contact feels a like a proper TNG film but it lost alot of the heart in the translation, there is the stuff with Riker and Troi et al on the surface but it felt too disjointed for me.

 

In terms of TNG feel I'd put Generations top, Insurrection and First Contact very close joint seconds and Nemesis* in a bin.

 

* Nemesis needed to be about a TNG crew nemesis like Khan was for ToS. Problem is that TNG didn't really have anything** so they had to invent a Nemesis and good lord did they make a hash of it. They could have picked a TNG villain that got away for instance if he was charismatic enough (like Montelban). Alternatively they should have done a fucking Q film, now that would've been great.

 

** They had the Borg and realised that a collective makes for a rubbish Nemesis so had to invent a Borg Queen individual to be the villain focus. Not a great decision, the Borg were best upto and including Best of Both Worlds and after that meh.

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First Contact is rubbish, you silly bunch of wrong-opinion-people. It’s shot like a cheap TV movie, has ‘dark’ themes in the dated ‘90s sense, and feels like a Syfy knockoff of Aliens, but with cyborgs instead of aliens. Don’t get me started on that fuck-ugly new Enterprise, super-annoying Data or the Jean Luc McClaine ‘action’ scene at the end. It’s bad. At least Generations feels like Trek at its heart, despite being crippled by executive interference and a nonsensical plot.

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It's hilariously stupid fun. That's the main reason I enjoy it, as a guilty pleasure. The Borg Queen is one of the worst things they did with the Borg and I drink it in like the finest of nerd tears vintages.

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Make sure you read Fade In by Michael Piller about the writing of Star Trek Insurrection if you'd like to see more of Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner having too much influence on their characters and storylines. Don't like action Picard? Stewarts idea. Human emotion Data? Spiner's idea.

 

Edit. It's here: 

 

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Well I watched this despite really liking most of the first season white felt like Space Don Quixote until the end where it turned into 

 

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space boomer was right all along now let's reward him with an eternal body.

 

Aaaaand....I wanted to like this. But Star Wars has ruined me. Even the Book of Boba Fett got to the point quicker than this. So many flashbacks I half expected Picard to wake up in a bacta tank. So many "TED Talks." So many lingering shots and nostalgia bait that it almost put the first Star Trek movies to shame.

 

The last five minutes...that was where the meat was. That actually felt like old next gen. That felt like it had energy. I'll watch it next week for more of that hopefully.

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It was fine. Better than Series 1 but not as good as The Lower Decks.

 

I wish that they went for the lower-key alternatives that they seem to suggest, like Picard running Starfleet Academy. Now that's a show I would watch happily, with Jean Luc discussing ethics with future officers and getting to the bottom of such mysteries as which cadet was responsible for making the replicators only serve Klingon food. Maybe Dr Crusher visits to give a seminar on field medicine, and she and Jean Luc uncover a plot to... oh, you get the idea.

 

A few annoyances:

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  • If I were a military officer who got told to let a drunken unstable civilian do my job I would be requesting a transfer along with my grievance that afternoon.
  • Stop making robo-Picard horny.
  • Nice to see Picard's friends get promotions after years out of the service. Hooray for the meritocracy.
  • Also nice to see a full-blooded Romulan in Starfleet for the first time (ignores the Romulan who was running Starfleet Security just a year ago).
  • A captain smoking on the bridge seems a bit iffy. I know its the future, but even so, how often does stuff go wrong on a starship? A basic 'no ignited materials in a pressurised vessel' rule feels like something on page 1 of starship safety regulations.
  • No attempt to even engineer a reason for the cast to be back together either. They all just happened to be in the same place when this Borg ship appeared. At least have Seven be 'called' there by her Borg programming rather than just chilling at the exact point where the Borg anomaly appeared.
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17 hours ago, Festoon said:

Make sure you read Fade In by Michael Piller about the writing of Star Trek Insurrection if you'd like to see more of Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner having too much influence on their characters and storylines. Don't like action Picard? Stewarts idea. Human emotion Data? Spiner's idea.

 

Edit. It's here: 

 

That goes to 404 now but the PDF is here:

 

https://www.deviantart.com/pineapples101/art/Fade-In-The-Writing-of-Star-Trek-Insurrection-885785974

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3 hours ago, RFT said:


I've recommended them before but The Fifty Year Mission (volumes 1 and 2) are great if you want behind the scene stuff about Star Trek and lots of direct accounts of hilariously petty behind the scenes squabbles. Kate Mulgrew vs Jeri Ryan is straight out Mean Girls.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B014PC4C4I/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

I think I may have posted this story in the thread already, but the episode Captain's Holiday was originally supposed to be a meditative episode about Picard facing his own fear of aging and his insecurities of Riker superseding him. Patrick Stewart got wind of this and wasn't happy and started putting pressure on the writer (Ira Behr creator of DS9) to change it and that's how the finished episode transformed into a low rent Indiana Jones knock-off set on a sex planet where Picard gets be an action man and bed a sexy dame.

 

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2 hours ago, Mogster said:

Regarding Rios, I don't think his cigar was actually lit. I figured he just liked having it there.

 

In one of the scenes he got his lighter out and was about to light up before something distracted him.

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With the exception of (maybe) Raffi, there's zero reason for any of the pricks from the first series to be back apart from contractual obligations. Alison Pill's character in particular should be cooling her heels in a Starbase Jail instead of providing obnoxious comic relief.

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This is vastly superior to the first season on account of having a meeting. Shorter and not as good as TNG meetings, but still.

 

I hate the new ship interiors. They are so dark and military. It needs to look like the interior of a high end Volvo.

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21 hours ago, Harsin said:

With the exception of (maybe) Raffi, there's zero reason for any of the pricks from the first series to be back apart from contractual obligations. Alison Pill's character in particular should be cooling her heels in a Starbase Jail instead of providing obnoxious comic relief.

 

My brain might have switched off - why was she there?

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She was on tour with the robogirl who tried to wipe out all life in the galaxy who's now an ambassdor or something. Dunno why, presumably because she's supposed to be an android expert in case she needs repairing or something. But then you'd think the planet of the Murderous New Age Hippy Robots would have that covered already. Clear she's just going to be their general science person/comic relief going forward as despite supposedly being a highly specialised android expert she's better at spatial anomoly stuff than a science officer specifically trained to go out and explore weird shit in space.

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I do feel sorry for the show's writers though. Trying to follow TNG is never going to end well. I mean, compare the quality of what we have now than this:

 

 

If such a scene were to happen in Picard it would need to include at least one of the following:

  • A shoehorned reference to a previous event to excite the faithful ST fans
  • Swearing
  • Something exploding or being broken for dramatic effect
  • Picard being hit on by someone no more than half his age

 

I do like that the show makes it very clear that, in the future, French people talk with an English accent. A vision that I am sure we can all get behind <unfurls flag>.

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I'm still baffled by the young Picard in period garb that matches roughly when Patrick Stewart would have been that age rather than the actual year it's set. It's STEEEWPID.

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5 minutes ago, Benny said:

I'm still baffled by the young Picard in period garb that matches roughly when Patrick Stewart would have been that age rather than the actual year it's set. It's STEEEWPID.


That’s Sirpatstewpid to you. 

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On 07/03/2022 at 13:08, Mogster said:

Regarding Rios, I don't think his cigar was actually lit. I figured he just liked having it there.

 

I wish people would stop dissing a man who just likes sucking down on a nice fat cuban.

 

Also I'm pretty sure Irish Romulan lady is far older than Picard so if anything she's the one doing the cradle snatching. Maybe she just likes them young.

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23 hours ago, Benny said:

I'm still baffled by the young Picard in period garb that matches roughly when Patrick Stewart would have been that age rather than the actual year it's set. It's STEEEWPID.

 

Didn't they do that in Generations also? When Picard was in the Nexus, his family were all dressed in French period garb, and then one of his kids gets out a remote controlled car.

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