Star Trek: Picard - Season 3, Everyone loves the D

[Jammy]

3 minutes ago, Waggo said:

Nah even if it all falls apart in the second half of the season, we'll always have Shaw who is my favourite new Trek character in many many years.

 

My take on Jack Crusher for what it's worth is:  

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Picard will not be his father, but a Changeling who was posing as Picard.

 

A good theory - I was wondering whether 

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Picard had passed on some residual nanites from when he was Locutus.

 

[Stig]

10 minutes ago, Jammy said:

A good theory - I was wondering whether 

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Picard had passed on some residual nanites from when he was Locutus.

 

 

Mmmmmm, maybe the 

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Change in the changlings is down to that? Picard passed something onto his child and they used that to change their structure, which is why he's important to them.

 

He feels very sleeper agent too. Cant quite work out if he's actually the real Jack or not.

 

[Waggo]

8 minutes ago, Jammy said:

A good theory - I was wondering whether 

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Picard had passed on some residual nanites from when he was Locutus.

 

 

Could be although they went big on:

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The Borg last season rather than this, so that would probably have been a more likely storyline back then.

 

The more I think about my theory the more it makes sense, as it can also be used to explain how:

 

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Changelings have evolved as Beverley put it in terms of avoiding the Starfleet detectors & not reverting back to goo on death, if there are half solids variants out there.

 

[Festoon]

28 minutes ago, Waggo said:

Nah even if it all falls apart in the second half of the season, we'll always have Shaw who is my favourite new Trek character in many many years.

 

My take on Jack Crusher for what it's worth is:  

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Picard will not be his father, but a Changeling who was posing as Picard.

 

 

Or as a 

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ghost. Crusher has form.

 

[Waggo]

I am still amazed 'The Orville' has not gone there yet.

 

Biggest open goal of the lot for them.

[Vulgar Monkey]

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Going on visual design alone, the weird red root stuff he keeps seeing doesnt feel that changling-y to me. Leaning more borg, but I could buy the changling-borg hypothesis above....it's a compelling idea at least. Plus it's fucking funny, if a bit harsh on beverley (as if banging a ghost isnt enough).

 

[DeciderVT]

 

 

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I thought the voices he was hearing came from the Great Link? But he hasn't needed to relax in a bucket, either.

 

[layten]

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Don't forget, the Great Link was able to lock Odo into a solid form.

 

[Bacon Horsemeat]

5 hours ago, Waggo said:

 

Could be although they went big on:

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The more I think about my theory the more it makes sense, as it can also be used to explain how:

 

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Changelings have evolved as Beverley put it in terms of avoiding the Starfleet detectors & not reverting back to goo on death, if there are half solids variants out there.

 

 

This just made me think of the plot to Battlestar Galactica

[Festoon]

Holy shit. An actual good episode.

[Alex W.]

Where did THAT come from? Now that’s some compelling, original Star Trek. 
 

[Sprite Machine]

On 17/03/2023 at 21:21, Spacehost said:

Is... Is this good now? Is Picard a good show?

No, it's just less shit.

 

This episode was fine (in its own grimdark depressing style), but once again I simply don't buy into the melodrama. Picard's reaction to

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Ro

was over the top, hypocritical and simply did not seem like Picard. He's acting like a petulant teenager.

Riker is fine, Worf is pretty good and Crusher is killing it.

 

It's an intriguing central mystery story that has me interested, I'll give it that for now. But if it builds to a conclusion that makes sense and isn't batshit insane, I will eat my hat.

 

[Hexx]

So what do we think is going with 

 

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[spoiler]The transporters?[/spoilerii]

 

[Festoon]

5 hours ago, Sprite Machine said:

No, it's just less shit.

 

This episode was fine (in its own grimdark depressing style), but once again I simply don't buy into the melodrama. Picard's reaction to

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Ro

was over the top, hypocritical and simply did not seem like Picard. He's acting like a petulant teenager.

Riker is fine, Worf is pretty good and Crusher is killing it.

 

It's an intriguing central mystery story that has me interested, I'll give it that for now. But if it builds to a conclusion that makes sense and isn't batshit insane, I will eat my hat.

 

 

Yeah, Picard is far and away the worst thing in the show. Over-emotional and self-aggrandising.

[Sprite Machine]

12 hours ago, Hexx said:

So what do we think is going with 

 

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The transporters?

 

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the Changelings are using them to swap real people for duplicates. Beam the real person into space (or dematerialise them to energy) and beam in a Changeling from somewhere else at the same time. Erase the transporter logs, no-one would know.

 

[Stig]

17 hours ago, Sprite Machine said:

No, it's just less shit.

 

This episode was fine (in its own grimdark depressing style), but once again I simply don't buy into the melodrama. Picard's reaction to

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Ro

was over the top, hypocritical and simply did not seem like Picard. He's acting like a petulant teenager.

Riker is fine, Worf is pretty good and Crusher is killing it.

 

It's an intriguing central mystery story that has me interested, I'll give it that for now. But if it builds to a conclusion that makes sense and isn't batshit insane, I will eat my hat.

 

 

The only way for me to view it is that it's 30 years since TNG and a lot of can change for a person in that time.

[LaveDisco]

I stand by the first four episodes being 'memberberries wrap in a republicans view of what star trek is, that can't imagine, or dare to discuss the utopian decisions of starfleet and that was endlessly padding itself. Just awful.

That said, I entered episode 5, with the lowest of expectations,  and ..... it was a good episode. I really enjoyed it.

 

They're giving a reason to the horrible world we have in the show, and they going somewhere with it. Genuinely turned it around, and I'm interested in wear the next episode goes.

 

Also stupid as it was to

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move everyone off the ship, at least it gives a reason to give all their old mates a role on the ship!

 

And again, Picard isn't Picard, he's holding grudges with Ro, and only saving people if their biologically related. That Picard wouldn't do. But hey ho. 

 

Could Riker be growing a second beard?

[OneDvBmbr]

I think I watched most of season 1 of this and then gave up. 
 

Could I just jump straight into season 3?

[Clipper]

yes definitely

[Garwoofoo]

13 minutes ago, OneDvBmbr said:

I think I watched most of season 1 of this and then gave up. 
 

Could I just jump straight into season 3?

 

Definitely. Most of the shit characters you met in season 1 will have disappeared but you don't need to care about what happened to them. One of them is still hanging around stinking the place up. Picard is now a robot. Other than that it's basically all new and easily the best the show has been, so just go for it.

 

[Clipper]

43 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

 

Definitely. Most of the shit characters you met in season 1 will have disappeared but you don't need to care about what happened to them. One of them is still hanging around stinking the place up. Picard is now a robot. Other than that it's basically all new and easily the best the show has been, so just go for it.

 

That is obviously a major problem with season 1 but it is so much worse than that as it robbed the writer's of a getout clause for why Picard was different/more emotional etc. His Irumodic(sp?) syndrome gave a perfect excuse for him to be more emotional/highly strung/more likely to do ridiculous french accents wearing a beret*.

 

as it is I don't have a problem with Picard being overly wraught and emotional about

 

(spoilers for season 3 here related to a posts about picard's emotional state)

 

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Ro.

 

In TNG Picard was hurt by what happened, and it may well be that he sees it as one of his major failings. In all of TNG there are not many times where Picard's judgement and trust is betrayed quite so badly by a crew member that he sees potential in. He felt he had failed her as much as she failed him and that stung.

 

MAybe it is his one big regret and I could see that so I didn't mind it so much. Obviously in the original TNG episode Stewart plays that loss really subtly and well but these days it all has to be written out in big print so everyone can see it.

 

 

* ok not the last one, there is no excusing that.

[Nimmel]

10 hours ago, OneDvBmbr said:

I think I watched most of season 1 of this and then gave up. 
 

Could I just jump straight into season 3?

Yep this is exactly what I've done and have been enjoying it.

[cassidy]

Where the fuck has this Star Trek been for the past 2 seasons. 

 

That episode even gave me goosebumps. Such an upturn in quality.  

 

 

[Pob]

Something strange happened to me last night - a feeling I've not had for perhaps 25 years: I was actually quite excited to put on the new episode of Star Trek. As I watched it, I found myself entertained and engaged. I didn't nod off, and I cringed fewer than five times.

 

The first four episodes certainly had their fair share of clangers and it was a pretty shameless rip off of Wrath of Khan (which was already ripped off by Star Trek Nemesis), but it also had enough good to remind me of Trek's heyday. I have to pretend that Picard has Alzheimer's and the others are entertaining him out of respect, but all the other returning TNG actors are brilliant. They also look great and it's inspiring to see actors in their 60s and 70s, some as old as my parents, running around doing stunts. Riker just looks like he did when he had to don some ageing makeup for episodes like All Good Things and Future Imperfect.

 

The most recent episode was genuinely intriguing. The changelings are good baddies that haven't been done to death (bear in mind I never did get round to finishing DS9). I also loved that shot of the Intrepid squaring up to the Titan. Great stuff. Pre-emptive Strike is one of my favourite TNG eps, so having that as the basis for a key character conflict was a nice treat for me even if Picard has gone weird in the intervening decades.

 

It's nowhere near peak Trek but it's such a nice surprise to get the old gang back together for a send-off that, so far, seems to be much more satisfying than what we got in Nemesis.

[Hanzo the Razor]

23 hours ago, Garwoofoo said:

Picard is now a robot.

 

[cassidy]

A friend pointed out last night. 

 

The Shrike design looked awful familiar to Babylon 5 fans.  

 

Very close to a shadow ship design isn't it. 

 

 

[Pob]

They've done the big spiky enemy ship design so many times now since the 2000s. Looks naff.

[Jammy]

18 minutes ago, Pob said:

They've done the big spiky enemy ship design so many times now since the 2000s. Looks naff.

Yeah, agreed. Although it doesn’t really look like either under scrutiny, I immediately thought it looked too reminiscent of Shinzon’s Scimitar from Nemesis, and Eric Bana’s Kelvin Universe one too.

 

But on the other hand we’ve got Riker and Worf back !

[Pob]

5 minutes ago, Jammy said:

Yeah, agreed. Although it doesn’t really look like either under scrutiny, I immediately thought it looked too reminiscent of Shinzon’s Scimitar from Nemesis, and Eric Bana’s Kelvin Universe one too.

 

But on the other hand we’ve got Riker and Worf back !

 

It's the whole 'pincers' thing that look like they're going to puncture holes in the Enterprise (or Titan). Played out!

[Thor]

Yeah, during this season I did wonder if the producers of the show finally got round to watching the reboot movies and thought "oooh, let's do that sans lens flare".