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Soong had androids falling out his arse on that planet. Why did he keep Data captive in some simulation and not plonk his program into another body?

 

The magic fucking knuckle duster imagination wand

 

Rios just so happening to keep a net full of footballs on his bridge

 

Riker giving starfleet a call and asking on the off chance can you give me command of the most badass ship in the federation for a bit

 

 

Urgh.

 

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4 minutes ago, Hawklord said:

I stayed away from here until I'd watched them all. Now I'm scared to say I liked it!

 

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She looks surprisingly happy about the impending end of the world doesn't she.

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15 minutes ago, Papaya Dance said:

She looks surprisingly happy about the impending end of the world doesn't she.

:lol: she can't help herself

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Was there any single episode where she didn't do the trembling lips 'look how sad I am' thing? Man that got old fast.

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7 hours ago, Papaya Dance said:
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Soong had androids falling out his arse on that planet. Why did he keep Data captive in some simulation and not plonk his program into another body?

 

 

 

They didn't have any way of doing it until Jurati turned up and helped with the golem, which they used for something else instead.

 

They did explain this. At least twice.

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7 hours ago, Hawklord said:

I stayed away from here until I'd watched them all. Now I'm scared to say I liked it!

 

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That bit was silly, but Alison Pill was amazing in this series. My favourite new character.

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Alison Pill, I've never seen anyone who's IPD annoyed me more apart from a guy I worked with years ago.

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She reminds me of Space Pilot John Lee.

 

(Yep, I'm old)

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2 hours ago, deKay said:

 

That bit was silly, but Alison Pill was amazing in this series. My favourite new character.


Dye her hair red and call her Pilly. 

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At best that series will go down in history as that time they brought Picard back for a show nobody remembers rather than something you’d sit and watch if you caught a repeat. Riker was pretty much the only character whose personality traits even vaguely resembled who he had been in old series, everyone else was unrecognisable.

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11 hours ago, Mr Ben said:

With all the green lasers firing about during the scene with the multiple copies of the Sirena I thought several Star Destroyers had shown up to the fight.

 

"Phasers? What are those?" asks Alex Kurtzman.

 

You mean when Picard and Agnes were racing through the flowers to get to the Romulan fleet? Romulans use plasma weapons or disruptors. Which are green.

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What I found really disappointing was that there was no massive orgy of a spacefight. You make the effort of bringing all those ships together, you're expecting a ruckus. Although why position them so close together?

 

And they were very lazy on the variety of ships - usually in space "battles" you get different combos. Here all I saw was the flagship dreadnaught x 100, same with the even more boring Romulan Bird of Prey.

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3 hours ago, deKay said:

 

They didn't have any way of doing it until Jurati turned up and helped with the golem, which they used for something else instead.

 

They did explain this. At least twice.

Right you are. I'll take your word for it as I'm sure as fuck not watching it again. 

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Shame this started so well and got a bit crap. I appreciate them trying to turn it into a Mass Effect style quest-with-crew-subplots but there were too many crew and guest appearances and it was too rushed as a result. I half wonder if it would work better if there were more episodes and they really stuck to the Mass Effect 2 template - a 1-2 parter for each character where PIcard helps resolve the baggage of every crewmember, the occasional episode moving the plot forward, before the crew finally pull together in a desperate bid to save the day. As it was, I was never really sold on half the crew, and never really sure who the core crew were.

 

It's not unsalvageable, I would still watch season 2. It's a lot better than Discovery but that's not saying much. Watch The Expanse.

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The final episode was, sadly, a bit bobbins. I completely missed how Doctor Jurati got the magical McGuffin that saved the day, and there were too many scenes where you just thought: naaah

 

 

Riker spending years in the woods eating pizza but being given command of a flagship within days just because he phoned them up and asked to have a go.

 

The amazing technological advance of the Golem not only being used on a doddering old coot but being used to give him the exact same body he had in the first place. (I'd rather they'd just skipped the whole "fake death" thing entirely - admittedly that would have meant missing out on the Fat Data scenes, which were quite touching, but overall this whole thing was the weakest part of the entire series for me).

And, as others have pointed out, an entire colony of synths with the ability to summon the Giant Metal Space Worms of Death any time they choose, just being left to get on with it.

 

 

And that's a shame, because overall I really enjoyed the series: they mostly got the pacing right, it had an episodic kind of feel to it in places, Stewart was great, I liked the new crew (Rios especially) and I tuned in every week not out of a sense of duty (as with Discovery) but because I genuinely wanted to watch it and see what happened next.

 

I hope someone's keeping Patrick Stewart in isolation somewhere until the coronavirus outbreak passes because I'd really like a series 2 of this and now the heavy lifting's been done in terms of setup I think it could be very good indeed.

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I wish they wouldn’t have so many ships for these encounters. Aside from the fact that it doesn’t fit with the idea of the Romulans being a broken people, it lessens the stakes. A stand off between a few ships always feels far more engaging because the audience knows and cares about the crew on those ships. Instead we get Star Wars style battles in Star Trek that lack any kind of impact. Kurtzman is such a hack.

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Things I liked:

Picard

Rios

Data

Troi

 

Things that were okay:

Seven

Hugh

Riker

Soji

 

Things that were meh: Everything else apart from the things I fucking despised:

IncestTwins

Agnes

Raffi

Smegolas

 

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14 hours ago, mdn2 said:

As someone who would rather gouge his eyes out than watch Discovery, what's the link between this show and that, then?

 

They're both fucking shit.

 

The writing for this was on the wall the moment they announced the Discovery writers were also writing this.....

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Who are these people who don't like Agnes?

 

Would you rather Tilly from Discovery, the dork who makes Neelix look like fucking Shaft?

 

...

 

I was a bit wary when they announced a second series but I think they've set up enough solid characters to do *something* good with it. It all comes down to writing quality in the end. If they let Michael Chabon (or someone - not Kurtzmann or any of that lot) go off and write a good series-long story that's not trying to crowbar in all of TNG's greatest hits I'd watch it.

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What happened to posh Romulan spyboy?

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He got dragged off by androids during the fight around the beacon but then I don't remember him being in it again?

 

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3 hours ago, Flub said:

 

You mean when Picard and Agnes were racing through the flowers to get to the Romulan fleet? Romulans use plasma weapons or disruptors. Which are green.

They looked far slimmer than a plasma shot, which is why I said they looked like lasers. They can also be beam type, like phasers:

Old style disruptor pulse:

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Disruptor beams:

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Picards "pew pew" lasers (not the best shot, but all I could find):

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4 hours ago, Bacon Horsemeat said:

What I found really disappointing was that there was no massive orgy of a spacefight. You make the effort of bringing all those ships together, you're expecting a ruckus. Although why position them so close together?

 

And they were very lazy on the variety of ships - usually in space "battles" you get different combos. Here all I saw was the flagship dreadnaught x 100, same with the even more boring Romulan Bird of Prey.

 

They seem to have been rushed for time on the last episode at least, if not more. I've also read that there were a lot of reshoots done, which likely didnt help the series narrative cohesiveness:

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"Right now, I'm on the bridge of the toughest, fastest, most powerful starship Starfleet has ever put into service and I've got a fleet of them at my back," Riker says.

 

And he's right, they all look identical: very much like the Pathfinder Class from Star Trek Online, which raises a few questions. Is Starfleet really only building one class of starship now? Well, according to TrekCore, the visual effects work for the season only got completed last week and VFX supervisor Ante Dekovic said that a wider range of ship variation simply wasn't possible due to a lack of available production time. And that just sounds a bit odd. 

Taken from here (Space.com review of the final episode).

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On 27/03/2020 at 03:34, Mr Ben said:

Cant even stay consistent with itself:

:lol: at the Sisko bits

 

I did wonder what had happened to the lightning. At the time the writers (or Kurtzman) will have have been thinking, "Oooo, lightning! That's so dramatic! But what's more dramatic than lightning? More lightning!! Wait, what about CONSTANT lightning!!! DRAMATIC times a MILLION!!!!"

 

But then they had to have two episodes on the planet at the end. "Er... lightning? What lightning?"

 

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Fucking hell. Just let Naren Shankar have Star Trek when he's finished with The Expanse. He worked on TNG, DS9 and Voyager, and has put together the best sci-fi since BSG on a shoestring. I don't want Star Trek to be anything like The Expanse, I just want someone who knows how to do Star Trek to do Star Trek.

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