My Gamecube prediction

[PaB]

What a fucking suprise, no actual sales figures in that press release.

45% increase on last years disaster?

Still pretty dire, I'd expect.

Dire when compared to what?

To PS2? Probably

TO Xbox? Given the equivalent numbers worldwide, I would guess almost Identical. Unless Cube owners don't actually buy games. On Average, a console owner will own 7 games for that particular system (12 if you own a PS2). So if the console sales are more or less the same as are Cube and Xbox, then it follows that software sales will also be almost the same.

[Badger]

4) By popularity, perhaps I'm using the wrong word: I'm just trying to say that the GC is not seen as a cool machine

5) By do a Dreamcast, I'm simply saying that I think in the future, it'll be the GC that'll be most fondly remembered, as opposed to the xbox or ps2.

But surely the Dreamcast and Saturn are the cool machines?

Because they didn't become most popular?

[dam_aks]

But surely the Dreamcast and Saturn are the cool machines?

Because they didn't become most popular?

Would you say the unpopular kids in the playground were cool?

Hell no, they are/were little divs. The more people that like you the cooler you are.

Yes.

[dr_lha]

Off the top of my head, Namco, EA, Capcom, Konami, THQ, Sega, Bandai, Square ENIX, and of course Zed Two are still supporting the GameCube. That's in literally ten seconds of thought, so it's not exactly like the Dreamcast. The GC has FIFA, remember.

I think this is very important to point out. One of the main reasons the DC failed was because EA refused to support it. No FIFA in Europe and no Madden in the USA meant that it was never going to be loved by the mainstream. The Sega Sports titles, although mainly excellent (except Virtua Striker) just don't capture the same market as EA's efforts.

[Alex W.]

It doesn't have the sort of stand-up-and-take notice title that it needs. Its three big contenders, Metroid Prime, LoZ: TWW, and Mario Sunshine, both fell short in terms of commercial oomph.

Aaanyhow, the GC does have the sort of low-key, innovative and not-released-in-Europe titles that made the DC popular with the folks, so it might take a turn that way. Both names end in C, too. Who knows.

Also, Haribokart, take this avatar and shut your face. You clearly don't pay attention the fact that this forum is generally pro- and anti-everything in varying degrees. Such anti-forum comments don't contribute to this discussion.

[dr_lha]

It doesn't have the sort of stand-up-and-take notice title that it needs. Its three big contenders, Metroid Prime, LoZ: TWW, and Mario Sunshine, both fell short in terms of commercial oomph.

You're talking about in the UK I guess, but each of these titles sold over a million copies in the US, and LoZ:TWW and Mario Kart:DD were both in top 10 overall selling games for 2003, whereas there were no Xbox games in the top ten.

[Alex W.]

They're certainly big games, but there's not the sort of media/consumer frenzy that surrounded Halo or MGS2. I'm not sure what kind of effect that's had, though.

[dr_lha]

They're certainly big games, but there's not the sort of media/consumer frenzy that surrounded Halo or MGS2. I'm not sure what kind of effect that's had, though.

Perhaps, but I think it's pretty interesting that in the whole of 2003 the Xbox couldn't even get one big title into the top 10 of the year. That's a pretty dismal showing. Halo was a great start for the Xbox, but why do they have to wait until Halo 2 to get another game that sells > 1,000,000 copies, whereas Gamecube can knock out a couple every year.

[D-Side]

I'm surprised this comparison has been made, considering the sheer number of games that were\are available for Dreamcast. Is the GC library that large? My instincts say no.

[dr_lha]

I'm surprised this comparison has been made, considering the sheer number of games that were\are available for Dreamcast. Is the GC library that large? My instincts say no.

According to Nintendo.com there about 300 games for the GC released in the USA. How many games were released for the Dreamcast - I'm betting not that many myself (and I'm pretty familiar with the DC library as I spend alot of time browsing through cheap DC games at my local games shop).

[Kobayashii]

Forumite in mistaking perception for reality shocker!

I really wanted the one where Ted shows Dougal the Dream/Reality board as it's more apt but you gets what you pays for.

[Jack]

I'm surprised this comparison has been made, considering the sheer number of games that were\are available for Dreamcast. Is the GC library that large? My instincts say no.

Japanese dating sims don't count. They make up about half of the DC's library, as they're much the only thing that's been released for it since the console's production stopped.

[D-Side]

According to Nintendo.com there about 300 games for the GC released in the USA. How many games were released for the Dreamcast - I'm betting not that many myself (and I'm pretty familiar with the DC library as I spend alot of time browsing through cheap DC games at my local games shop).

417 in Japan.

http://www.pelikonepeijoonit.net/articles/dc/dcjp_PKP.pdf

Obviously that doesn't include certain PAL and US specific titles like Jimmy White's and Ooga Booga.

[Alex W.]

Perhaps, but I think it's pretty interesting that in the whole of 2003 the Xbox couldn't even get one big title into the top 10 of the year. That's a pretty dismal showing. Halo was a great start for the Xbox, but why do they have to wait until Halo 2 to get another game that sells > 1,000,000 copies, whereas Gamecube can knock out a couple every year.

Yes, I think it speaks volumes for how many hardware units "one big title" can shift.

[D-Side]

Japanese dating sims don't count. They make up about half of the DC's library, as they're much the only thing that's been released for it since the console's production stopped.

Well, piss poor ports make up over 3/4's of the GameCube's library. Do they count as well?

And, AFAIK, wasn't Borderdown the last DC game to be released?

[biglime]

Surely it's all down to the legacy of games the machine might leave behind.

The Saturn has classics in spades. Dreamcast has its fair share too.

The Gamecube has got what? Animal Crossing and Monkey Ball. Those are the only ones that spring to mind. Who'll be buying old Gamecubes in the future, so that they can play Quack Attack and Mario Party? Or Double Dash.

Or Wind Waker.

So no, I think Gamecube's legacy might just be as the single greatest pointer thus far to the fall of Nintendo.

Ooh!

[dr_lha]

Yes, I think it speaks volumes for how many hardware units "one big title" can shift.

Indeed. Halo is definitely the best thing that MS have done. I'm just commenting on the fact that nothing else they have done has even come close in terms of sales, which is a little odd to say the least.

Whether we like it or not Sony and Nintendo make a lot of money out of franchises, for Sony its MGS, GT, GTA, Final Fantasy, the Nintendo ones we all know. Franchises are important, and the Xbox only has one thats successful. This should worry MS as in the end it's games that sell Xboxes. For Halo 2 I wonder if it will sell any Xboxes for example - or will the core audience for that game be people who already have Halo and an Xbox.

More the point I was really surprised that KOTOR wasn't a Top 10 game for the year, as its the only game that really comes to mind as a "big" Xbox game of 2003.

[pulsemyne]

The Gamecube has got what? Animal Crossing and Monkey Ball. Those are the only ones that spring to mind. Who'll be buying old Gamecubes in the future, so that they can play Quack Attack and Mario Party? Or Double Dash.

Well done. That level of stupidity hasn't been displayed on here for some time.

[D-Side]

Franchises are important, and the Xbox only has one thats successful.

Drunkard.

[dr_lha]

The Gamecube has got what? Animal Crossing and Monkey Ball. Those are the only ones that spring to mind. Who'll be buying old Gamecubes in the future, so that they can play Quack Attack and Mario Party?

What's the Dreamcast got? Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia? Those are the only ones that spring to mind. Who'll be buying old Dreamcasts in the future, so that they can play Looney Tunes Racing and Sonic Shuffle?

[D-Side]

What's the Dreamcast got? Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia? Those are the only ones that spring to mind. Who'll be buying old Dreamcasts in the future, so that they can play Looney Tunes Racing and Sonic Shuffle?

I like Looney Tunes Racing, hactually factually.

[biglime]

Well done. That level of stupidity hasn't been displayed on here for some time.

You've missed my earlier posts, clearly.

Seriously, though, I'm no Nintendo hater. I just think they've reached a creative dead end.

Emphasis on 'dead'.

[dr_lha]

Drunkard.

OK - Splinter Cell? But its firmly multiplatform now, so name another.

[biglime]

What's the Dreamcast got?

That level of stupidity hasn't been seen on this forum since a few posts ago.

[dr_lha]

That level of stupidity hasn't been seen on this forum since a few posts ago.

I was mimicing your post. I don't actually believe that the only good games are Shenmue and Skies of Arcadia.

But you for example missed out Viewtiful Joe, Pikmin, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime....

[D-Side]

Emphasis on 'dead'.

How can you possibly say that? Look at all the goodness contained here? This list makes me want to have sex with my hand! With vigor!

http://www.nintendo.com/gamelist?start=1&o...f=&af=&vf=&nf=#

Lollypop to the person who picks out the best three games.

OK - Splinter Cell? But its firmly multiplatform now, so name another.

Alrighty. PGR. I'll have another vowel please Carol.

[pulsemyne]

Creative deadend? Pikmin, Metroid prime, Animal crossing are three of this gens best titles and they have a good element of innovation in them.

[biglime]

I already mentioned Animal Crossing as a classic.

Metroid Prime left me cold. Just not a favourite, at all.

F-Zero GX is not as good as the N64 F-Zero. It really isn't.

Pikmin is feeble.

Viewtiful Joe and the brilliant P.N.03 say more about Capcom than they do about Nintendo.

I got fucked off with Nintendo when they tried to bury Conker's Bad Fur Day.

[dr_lha]

Alrighty. PGR. I'll have another vowel please Carol.

Didn't sell fuck all though did it? Hardly what I'd call a "successful franchise".

[dr_lha]

Metroid Prime left me cold. Just not a favourite, at all.

But you have to realise that there are plenty of people, myself included, that consider this to be one of the all time classic games. You can't just dismiss as not being a current Nintendo Classic because you didn't like it.