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Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (December 2019)

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45 minutes ago, drmick said:

Never.

 

We will get Star Wars movies alright, but there is no tea left in this Skywalker teabag.

Never say never. 

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There's going to be enough demand for The Further Adventures of Rey for it to be announced in the next couple of years I reckon.

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To be honest there was no real reason for these to be demarcated as part of the same story as episodes I-VI, and the other stuff to be separate, except in the self-fulfilling prophecy that it wound up all having to relate to the Skywalkers in the end. They could’ve just done more stories in the same universe on in to the future, and called them all Episode Whatever.


Maybe they will do more that way. Maybe they won’t now they’ve called this the nine-episode “Skywalker Saga”. Who knows?

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They made a very deliberate decision to leave out the episode numbers from the marketing of these new ones - unlike the prequels, which had them plastered everywhere - and they only show in the title crawls now.

 

The new iTunes releases have the episode numbers removed entirely (I’m not sure how to know which order to watch them in now?). So I’m sure we’ll just get plenty more ‘Star Wars: Insert Title Here’ films in future.

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5 hours ago, Festoon said:

So, when do people reckon Episode X will happen? 10 years?


just long enough for them to announce the new Creative Consultant and Executive Producer to oversee the new trilogy....

 

....George Lucas

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There's only one name attached to Star Wars that's had any consistent success over the last decade or more. You can expect the franchise to quieten down in cinemas, and build big on Disney+ with this bloke heavy in the mix for at least the next decade. 

 

That name? Dave Filoni. 

 

P. S. I know you're being facetious, but I think you're right and they will get some consultation/counselling from Lucas. 

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8 hours ago, Treble said:

There's only one name attached to Star Wars that's had any consistent success over the last decade or more. You can expect the franchise to quieten down in cinemas, and build big on Disney+ with this bloke heavy in the mix for at least the next decade. 

 

That name? Dave Filoni. 

 

P. S. I know you're being facetious, but I think you're right and they will get some consultation/counselling from Lucas. 

 

I get the feeling that we can add Jon Favreau and Kevin Feige to that list soon enough.

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17 hours ago, Festoon said:

So, when do people reckon Episode X will happen? 10 years?


My prediction... the new Star Wars films will be commercially and critically successful for the next few years (and even please most of the fans!).. as Disney finally get their act together. ...

 

...Then the box office tails off as audiences grow bored ...and the fan base start to ask for a proper Episode 10... which will properly be based on Lucas’s old notes for this latest trilogy ...and by that time it will be in memory of the great man himself..  :(

 

 

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26 minutes ago, McCoy said:

We don't think an entire reboot is likely then? Go back to Episode 4 and recast the entire thing? 


it’s the last thing George would want..... but if they did it’s more likely Disney would go back to Episode 1 and start the whole saga from scratch.... (I suppose that way the prequels might actually be good)

 

I can imagine there is no way in hell that is happening whilst George is alive, and very possibly stated very clearly in his contract with Disney.

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Galaxies are fucking massive, and even at light speed take 10s of thousands of years to cross. Rather than endlessly rebooting, remaking and finding hidden story gaps in the original films, they should just move in space (and time if they want) and tell a fucking new story.

 

The biggest problem, IMO, with the prequels and the sequels isn't that they're good or bad - it's that there's no story there that needed to be told.

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Yes that true. It’s also called an entirely new property.


I’m really not sure where this wealth of new SW stories is... as a lot of that has been tried and tested in the EU for decades, (and granted I didn’t read a lot of it) but that seemed to reach diminishing returns rather quickly for this fan.  
 

SW seems inherently limited to me as it always has to look a certain way, or have certain tropes, or it becomes just another Sci Fi film. 

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Disagree on the prequels. The idea is fine, it's just the execution. The fall of Anakin Skywalker is a potentially intriguing story. The collapse of the Republic could be too. Done right, it enriches the OT. 

 

The sequels - they are potentially interesting stories there too. But they don't seem to be driven by just wanting to have more Star Wars to sell than having stories to tell. 

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20 minutes ago, kensei said:

Disagree on the prequels. The idea is fine, it's just the execution. The fall of Anakin Skywalker is a potentially intriguing story. The collapse of the Republic could be too. Done right, it enriches the OT. 

 

The sequels - they are potentially interesting stories there too. But they don't seem to be driven by just wanting to have more Star Wars to sell than having stories to tell. 


The prequels could have been amazing... with interesting directors and writers working with George’s outlines...

 

What we got were first draft scripts, terrible dialogue and porno grade acting from some of the best in the business.

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Yeah, I think they'll go Old Republic next. A complete break from the Skywalkers, with only recognisable races involved. 

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I honestly wouldn't care if they revisited the prequel idea (as a trilogy or anything).

Anakin's fall really could have been something special but it was really clumsily handled and detracts from the Vader character rather than adding to it.

I still get a chill from Alec Guinness' line "he was a cunning warrior.. and a good friend" and don't think anything portrayed in the prequels fulfilled the potential that's loaded in that one bit of mournful dialogue.

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2 hours ago, Pug said:

I would like Darth Maul involved in something, criminally underused.


I’m sure we’ll see more of him, probably in the Obi Wan series. 

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On 04/01/2020 at 17:09, gone fishin' said:

Has this been posted before? Interesting clip from 1994 on Lucas beginning the Star Wars prequels. To give the guy credit, the finished product may have not been brilliant, but at least he gave the characters some thought. 
 


Somehow it feels like the opposite of the new films, here’s one guy trying to plot everything together in his man shed with no real commercial pressure.

 

That lack of commercial pressure wasn't entirely true.  It was part of reinvigorating and pimping the wears of Lucas's companies. The prequels were a bit of a moonshot in terms of driving digital things - characters, environments, filming and distribution among them. 

 

Lucas still bothered to have a point to the prequels that I wish Abrams's films had. Somewhere in the prequels is a pretty damning critique of Bush era politics.  I'm never quite sure if the clumsiness of it all means that people don't notice or don't care.  Bit of both probably.

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I rewatched the prequels and found them awful with the exception of Revenge of the Sith being decent.The plot makes very little sense, the acting is awful, the characters are poorly written and boring, the CG is both terrible and massively overused, the aliens are all schlocky racist stereotypes, Jar Jar Binks exists, the comedic relief is heavy-handed and totally unfunny, the child actors are all garbage. But then The prequels were rich with Star Wars goodies new aliens, new ships, new lightsaber colours, new technology, new droids, new planets, and new factions.

 

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The Phantom Menace was never as bad as made out. It drags in several places, but there are plenty of scenes that are well constructed that elevate it. It's average, but it isn't dire. 

 

I mean, I liked this more, but is there anything here to match "Duel of the Fates"? Nope. And the film still has an outside cultural impact given the amount it's been parodied. Can't see this making that level, though I'm I'll enjoy new Robot Chicken videos with the Emperor 

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17 minutes ago, kensei said:

The Phantom Menace was never as bad as made out.

I present you with exhibit A - Jar Jar and the entireity of the Gungans.

 

Especially when they fight those made up robots some of which can roll around and have personal shields (tech not in Star Wars) - I have never felt more disconnected from a film or felt a film was more unlike star wars. If they said that at the end of the film that Obi-Wan then passed through a wormhole to a different universe that actually had the Star Wars universe in it then that would have made more sense.

 

Duel of Fates was the ONLY good bit in the film - the rest was utter shite, unwatchable midi-chlorian bollocks.

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41 minutes ago, kensei said:

The Phantom Menace was never as bad as made out. It drags in several places, but there are plenty of scenes that are well constructed that elevate it. It's average, but it isn't dire. 

 

I mean, I liked this more, but is there anything here to match "Duel of the Fates"? Nope. And the film still has an outside cultural impact given the amount it's been parodied. Can't see this making that level, though I'm I'll enjoy new Robot Chicken videos with the Emperor 

 

Duel of the Fates is fantastic and I enjoy the pod race.

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Is that the pretentious name for the Obi/Qui vs Mail fight? It’s excellent and incredibly tense. 
 

I think one of the main issues with the prequels was that they tried to be all things to all people. Kids have always liked Star Wars so we have to put characters in they’ll love like Jarjar, people always like the effects so put ALL the effects in. ALL OF THEM. And so on. 

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For me Ep 1 has gotten better with age. I will never forget that weird feeling of utter confusion and, ultimately, disappointment when leaving the cinema after my first viewing though. It's still not great by any stretch but I do enjoy the Podracing, the Senate stuff and battle at the end.

 

Counterpoint I loved Ep 2 on first showing but it has become my least favourite of the entire saga what with the terrible love story and overused CGI that has aged badly (Droid factory is such a bad scene). To quote good old Jar Jar the majority of film is Poo Doo although I do like the Courscant scenes we get at the start and wish we had more on the Battle of Geonosis.

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1 hour ago, HarryBizzle said:

Is that the pretentious name for the Obi/Qui vs Mail fight?

It's the name of the musical piece that accompanies that fight. 

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