Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (December 2019)

[Jg15]

Back on topic I can see Palpatine as a malevolent force presence, still inhabiting the wreckage of the Death Star on Endor. Kind of an evil Force ghost who is able to inhabit the bodies of beings around him at will but is looking to take the body of a powerful force user like Rey or Kylo, hence them being pulled to Endor by his presence.

[NickC]

We gonna see a force ghost fight, and a force ghost will die. That's when a force spirit is introduced. No-one can see or hear them, but force sensitive people can feel them. But force ghosts can see them. And dogs can hear them.

[Matt Defis]

That scene of her with a red lightsabre is a force vision, it was stated as such on the star wars website, it'll amount to nothing. 

[b00dles]

I still want them to have a force fight which looks like the magic battle in big trouble in little China. Throwing stuff at each other is boring and the emperor doesn't even use a lightsabre as it's a "jedi weapon".

 

The prequels are so bad. 

[JoeK]

6 hours ago, Matt Defis said:

That scene of her with a red lightsabre is a force vision, it was stated as such on the star wars website, it'll amount to nothing. 

 

It would pretty fucking awesome if they did properly convert Rey into the most vicious dark lord ever though. 

 

Although they could then spend the next trilogy in telling the story of a young boy trying to rid the galaxy of her by eventually turning her back...

 

to the good side.

 

Nah, scratch that bit.

 

 

[RubberJohnny]

15 hours ago, K said:

No, it was hammered home pretty hard. And it was Rey who said her parents were nobodies, rather than Kylo - he prompted her, but she was the one who said it. I guess that's pretty easy to write off as Kylo playing off her worst fears, but it was presented as being both true and emotionally the right answer in the film. If Abrams goes that way, I think it'll feel like a copout for the reasons above.

 

The problem with that is she never thought her parents were somebodies, she just wanted to know who they were. It doesn't feel like the emotionally true and right answer for her, because "are my parents mad famous" is a question she never asked (it's literally a response to fan speculation hamfistedly inserted in the film)

[Dirty Harry Potter]

18 hours ago, macosx said:

 

I know,  but I fear they'll want to wrap the whole thing up in a big ol' Star Wars bow though and undo the 'wrongs' of Rian

 

Both things will be true.

 

She will be the child of nobodies (ala Shmi Skywalker) but also be brought into being by the force/palpatine - so will be the next gen chosen one. And because she wasn’t ruined by the Jedi order, she will be able to make the right decisions and do the right thing - finally bringing balance to the force. Or something. 

[Nick R]

 

I don't think the red eyes are going to signify any connection to Triple-Zero; I think the theory that's more likely is that C3PO's eye colour change happens because he's connected to some machine in that shot - possibly some memory-recovery device?

[papalazarou]

15 minutes ago, Nick R said:

 

I don't think the red eyes are going to signify any connection to Triple-Zero; I think the theory that's more likely is that C3PO's eye colour change happens because he's connected to some machine in that shot - possibly some memory-recovery device?

From possible spoilers about c3po
 

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Suposidly at some stage the good guys need to upload the memory of an old droid - they use c3po to upload the droids and access the memory’s but accidentally upload a battle droid first hence the red eyes ..(this is at some old droid factory) 

 

[K]

56 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

 

The problem with that is she never thought her parents were somebodies, she just wanted to know who they were. It doesn't feel like the emotionally true and right answer for her, because "are my parents mad famous" is a question she never asked (it's literally a response to fan speculation hamfistedly inserted in the film)

 

I don't think she thought her parents were Luke Skywalker and Randa McExtendedUniverse, but I get the sense she wanted them to be good people, i.e. not alcoholics / junkies who sold off their daughter. She wanted there to be a reason that she was abandoned that wasn't "we really wanted the money", which is why it was so painful to admit they were probably scumbags.

 

And she never asked the question, but the Force Awakens sure did. If you make the identity of someone's parents a mystery in a film like this, it strongly suggests that the parents are going to be people we already know. Or at least someone of plot / story significance. JJ Abrams' mystery boxes are always plot devices, so I thought it was neat the way that TLJ used it to build character rather than to prop up a plot.

[Ste_S]

There's also Finn's parentage mystery box. Will they be dumb enough to make him Lando's son ?

[kensei]

52 minutes ago, K said:

 

I don't think she thought her parents were Luke Skywalker and Randa McExtendedUniverse, but I get the sense she wanted them to be good people, i.e. not alcoholics / junkies who sold off their daughter. She wanted there to be a reason that she was abandoned that wasn't "we really wanted the money", which is why it was so painful to admit they were probably scumbags.

 

And she never asked the question, but the Force Awakens sure did. If you make the identity of someone's parents a mystery in a film like this, it strongly suggests that the parents are going to be people we already know. Or at least someone of plot / story significance. JJ Abrams' mystery boxes are always plot devices, so I thought it was neat the way that TLJ used it to build character rather than to prop up a plot.

 

It doesn't really fit. She looks at a star ship as it leaves. She's waiting for them to come back and can't leave until they do; the heavy implication is that someone has told her they'll come back. And TFA has built it up to be a mystery box so you expect something interesting inside. 

 

So it didn't feel like it really lined up to me, and it didn't feel emotional satisfying or true to me at all. It was just another 'Ha ha ha, fucked your expectations' moment in a film that fucked your expectations so hard and so repeatedly that by the end of the film you expected them to do it just because. 

 

The one moment that might have sold it, was Kylo offering Rey his hand. Have her take it and cut to credits. Boom. That would have been a genuinely shocking ending, and I might have bought the Reys parentage story. As it is, my guess is they back it out in some 'It's history, it rhynes' daft way. 

[Paulando]

The problem with Rey’s parentage being of any significance - or at least anyone we already know of in the Star Wars movie universe - is that a droid containing part of a map with the location of the key person in this whole story, and last remaining Jedi, just so happened to land on a desert planet right next to her. It’s like that awful thing of C3PO being made by Anakin Skywalker. Just keep them nobodies. She’s one of thousands of force-sensitive individuals who just so happened to get mixed up in all of this.

 

It was a revelation in itself that she wasn’t from a special background or parentage, and drove the message that anyone from any background can be special. I loved that.

[K]

3 minutes ago, kensei said:

 

It doesn't really fit. She looks at a star ship as it leaves. She's waiting for them to come back and can't leave until they do; the heavy implication is that someone has told her they'll come back. And TFA has built it up to be a mystery box so you expect something interesting inside. 

 

Why doesn’t that fit? Looking up at a ship that's carrying your departing parents sounds very much like what a child would do if they’d been abandoned by them. Someone may have told her that they were coming back, but that doesn’t mean they were. Maybe they were arseholes, or just mistaken.

 

And I thought the actual answer was pretty interesting. It says, as Paulando says above, that greatness can come from anywhere, even from the child of really horrible people, who grew up in a galactic scrapyard.

[K]

18 minutes ago, Ste_S said:

There's also Finn's parentage mystery box. Will they be dumb enough to make him Lando's son ?

 

I don't think that was ever really positioned as a mystery, was it? We don't know who Finn's parents are, but we don't know who Poe's parents are either. 

[JoeK]

7 minutes ago, K said:

 

 but we don't know who Poe's parents are either. 

 

Edgar Alan obviously.

[fly53r135]

8 minutes ago, K said:

 

I don't think that was ever really positioned as a mystery, was it? We don't know who Finn's parents are, but we don't know who Poe's parents are either. 

 

We don't have everyone's back story but Finn tells us he "...was taken from a family I'll never know....."  giving space for some mystery to his heritage, to be revealed later, so Rear Windu or Lando….

[Kevvy Metal]

24 minutes ago, kensei said:

 

It doesn't really fit. She looks at a star ship as it leaves. She's waiting for them to come back and can't leave until they do; the heavy implication is that someone has told her they'll come back. And TFA has built it up to be a mystery box so you expect something interesting inside. 

 

So it didn't feel like it really lined up to me, and it didn't feel emotional satisfying or true to me at all. It was just another 'Ha ha ha, fucked your expectations' moment in a film that fucked your expectations so hard and so repeatedly that by the end of the film you expected them to do it just because. 

 

The one moment that might have sold it, was Kylo offering Rey his hand. Have her take it and cut to credits. Boom. That would have been a genuinely shocking ending, and I might have bought the Reys parentage story. As it is, my guess is they back it out in some 'It's history, it rhynes' daft way. 

 

I never understand your logic, with the kindest regards. 

She's been abandoned as a child screaming "come back" to a ship flying off and she's literally in the possession of Unkar Plutt, a horrible filthy space trader who it's very much established that he cares about nothing but money. She's been sold, not just dropped off at school. 

It also has that reference to Anakin being sold off as a slave to Watto. 

 

  

[macosx]

The Force Awakens is just member berries.

 

 

[PK]

3 hours ago, papalazarou said:

From possible spoilers about c3po
 

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Suposidly at some stage the good guys need to upload the memory of an old droid - they use c3po to upload the droids and access the memory’s but accidentally upload a battle droid first hence the red eyes ..(this is at some old droid factory) 

 

 

That actually sounds quite fun.  Five or ten minutes of him

 

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trying to kill everyone while still being/speaking like C3PO would be a good little sequence.  "Oh, look out sirs, now I'm going for the blaster cabinet!"

 

They did something similar with Kryten in season 5 of Red Dwarf (which I can't find a clip of )

 

 

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[JohnC]

10 minutes ago, macosx said:

The Force Awakens is just member berries.

 

 

Because they both open with a Star Wars title and a spaceship coming into view? Because they both have droids and blasters at some point? They both have hangers with ships in them? And space battles? Like all the main Star Wars movies?

[macosx]

6 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Because they both open with a Star Wars title and a spaceship coming into view? Because they both have droids and blasters at some point? They both have hangers with ships in them? And space battles? Like all the main Star Wars movies?

 

Jakku/Tattoine, plans held in a droid, death star - starkiller base (lol), villian in black mask. It's like a reconstituted, reheated meal, without the ingredient of originality.

 

[Glasgowchivas]

Anthony Daniels has already spoken on record about how this film gives him the opportunity to do things he's never done before as Threepio and that he was surprised at the size of the role he'd been given, (though of course, in true Daniels fashion, it totally reads like this was finally a role worthy of his time and that is was far too late in the day for this to be realised but hey, he'd be magnanimous and make it work.)

I fully expect Threepio to go full Combat mode in this and wreck Stormtroopers left, right and centre.

[RubberJohnny]

50 minutes ago, macosx said:

Jakku/Tattoine, plans held in a droid, death star - starkiller base (lol), villian in black mask. It's like a reconstituted, reheated meal, without the ingredient of originality.

 

Nothing gets past this guy!

[BitterToad]

56 minutes ago, macosx said:

 

Jakku/Tattoine, plans held in a droid, death star - starkiller base (lol), villian in black mask. It's like a reconstituted, reheated meal, without the ingredient of originality.

 

He's right, I'd like to add fun, engaging characters. Great humour. Cool, original, droids and gadgets. An interesting villain with an unclear motive. Harrison Ford being awesome. Carrie Fisher being awesome. Beautifully shot. Great music. 

 

They've ripped everything off!

[Stig]

5 hours ago, Nick R said:

 

I don't think the red eyes are going to signify any connection to Triple-Zero; I think the theory that's more likely is that C3PO's eye colour change happens because he's connected to some machine in that shot - possibly some memory-recovery device?

 

Maybe hes just got red eyes like he randomly had a red arm.

 

"Oh hello Master Finn, it's me C3PO, you probably don't recognise me with these red eyes. However if you wish to know why I have them...

 

*turns to face camera*

 

...you can read all about it in my spin off comic book"

[Stig]

2 hours ago, PK said:

 

That actually sounds quite fun.  Five or ten minutes of him

 

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trying to kill everyone while still being/speaking like C3PO would be a good little sequence.  "Oh, look out sirs, now I'm going for the blaster cabinet!"

 

They did something similar with Kryten in season 5 of Red Dwarf (which I can't find a clip of )

 

 

 

 

They already did that in in one of the prequels didnt they, with his head being stuck on a droids body.

[RubberJohnny]

That's the worst scene of the entire prequels.

 

Sub anything Jar-Jar, they better not be doing that.

[whizzo]

Nope. 

 

"Killing Younglings"

[K]

There's just so much to choose from. I'd go for "FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE JEDI ARE EVIL!" as it so perfectly encapsulates how unbelievably clumsy and awkward the character work was. One of the oddest things about the prequels, especially Episode III, is how little investment you have in the myriad battle scenes. They're technically fantastic, but very dull because they're just arbitrary fights between two sides you don't know or care about.

 

As such, I found that that climatic lightsabre fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan extremely dull when I saw it at the cinema, because the stakes were so poorly set up. Weirdly, when I turned on the TV a few weeks back to find that scene just beginning, I found it quite exciting and engaging (awful dialogue notwithstanding), probably because it had been uncoupled from the piss-poor preceding two and a half hours, and I could just concentrate on the choreography and the setting, and let my own imagination and knowledge of the characters do the hard work of investing me in the outcome.

 

It takes a special kind of incompetence to make a film that actually makes you care about and understand its characters less for having watched it.