Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (December 2019)

[Pug]

After reading someone say that the 'Darth' Rey could be a clone, I agree. Makes sense.

[Kevvy Metal]

Darth Rey is the most not literal, force-vision thing ever. 

[macosx]

I reckon they make this last film such a rounded journey for Rey it will make the other two films pointless.

All she did in the second one was meet the wise man Luke on her hero's journey (which was a total waste of time) and help chop up Snoke's guards.

[K]

???

 

She discovered that her parents were nobodies rather than secret Jedi royalty, and that she's now free to make her own destiny rather than to live up to someone else's. That seems like a pretty big  development from her perspective. As well as quite a big thing to build on for the last chapter. I really hope Abrams doesn't chicken out, and have her as Luke's secret daughter or some other kind of hidden Jedi princess.

[macosx]

18 minutes ago, K said:

???

 

She discovered that her parents were nobodies

 

That isn't going to happen. It will be like poetry.

[K]

If they undo that, I'll be so cross. That sequence was one of the best things about TLJ, and made Rey a much more interesting character - she's powerful because of her own skills and achievements, rather than because of who her parents were. It was a nice bit of expectation-thwarting anti-elitism in a series that's become increasingly obsessed with making sure everyone important in the universe had the right parents, and went to the right school.

 

I don't like the idea that she's too powerful to be a nobody. Nobodies are the best people; I don't give a fuck whether or not you're related to someone famous. Get back to me when you've achieved something yourself.

[Darren]

If they must give her a lineage I want it to be that her grandad was the grumpy barman in the cantina who said “we don’t serve their kind here” rather than anyone important.

[Kevvy Metal]

2 minutes ago, K said:

If they undo that, I'll be so cross. That sequence was one of the best things about TLJ, and made Rey a much more interesting character - she's powerful because of her own skills and achievements, rather than because of who her parents were. It was a nice bit of expectation-thwarting anti-elitism in a series that's become increasingly obsessed with making sure everyone important in the universe had the right parents, and went to the right school.

 

I don't like the idea that she's too powerful to be a nobody. Nobodies are the best people; I don't give a fuck whether or not you're related to someone famous. Get back to me when you've achieved something yourself.

 

Yes I completely agree. 

And to go all "Comic Book Guy" for a moment, a strong Force-Sensitive person does not need to come from an important lineage, although a high *cough* midichlorian count can be hereditary. 

Loads of Force-Sensitive beings go unnoticed in the outer rim areas, and are never fully trained by some practicing organisation like the Jedi. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Force-sensitive

[macosx]

10 minutes ago, K said:

If they undo that, I'll be so cross. That sequence was one of the best things about TLJ

 

I know,  but I fear they'll want to wrap the whole thing up in a big ol' Star Wars bow though and undo the 'wrongs' of Rian

[JPL]

I guess it all depends on how subversive JJ is feeling.

[Stig]

Just thought of a ridiculous scenario but one I wouldnt be surprised if they did it.

 

Ghost Luke vs Ghost Emperor.

[K]

1 hour ago, macosx said:

 

I know,  but I fear they'll want to wrap the whole thing up in a big ol' Star Wars bow though and undo the 'wrongs' of Rian

 

I take some comfort from the fact that the people in charge of Star Wars seem to really like Rian Johnson. It would have been easy for them to say "we've heard your objections - from now on, the Last Jedi has been struck from canon, Admiral Holdo will be tried by a military court for having purple hair with malice aforethought, and Rian Johnson has been pelted with hot gravel in the ILM car park for fifteen minutes", but they seem to have stuck to their guns and offered him his own trilogy of films, even after the backlash by (some of) the long-term Star Wars fans. It's all gone a bit quiet admittedly, but I'd say that was more down to Solo bombing than them belatedly realising Rian Johnson hated Star Wars and was trying to bring it down from within.

 

So I would assume JJ Abrams has to work within the framework set out by the high-ups at Lucasfilm / Disney, which would presumably include not reverting or ignoring ideas introduced by previous directors. Kathleen Kennedy presumably has some attachment to Rian Johnson's take on Star Wars, and wouldn't be OK with JJ Abrams saying "actually, Rey is Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter".

[JPL]

22 minutes ago, K said:

So I would assume JJ Abrams has to work within the framework set out by the high-ups at Lucasfilm / Disney, which would presumably include not reverting or ignoring ideas introduced by previous directors.

What makes you think that, when it seems like that’s exactly what Rian Johnson did? Why would he get more of a free pass to do what he wanted over JJ?

[Ran]

Which ideas of JJ Abrams does Rian Johnson ignore or revert in "The Last Jedi' ? There may have been disappointment about how the story progressed but as far as I know nothing was thrown out or retconned? (Solo? Still dead, Rey's lineage? She's nobody, Luke AWOL? Self exiled and disillusioned because he failed his students)

[K]

5 minutes ago, JPL said:

What makes you think that, when it seems like that’s exactly what Rian Johnson did? Why would he get more of a free pass to do what he wanted over JJ?

 

JJ Abrams set up all these mystery boxes, and Rian Johnson opened most of them. You might not have liked what was inside, but he resolved the mystery of who Rey's parents were and why Luke had gone missing, and he killed off Snoke in order to move on Rey and Kylo Ren's characters. That's a bit different to saying "actually, the answers in the previous film were wrong, here's the retcon". 

[JPL]

Yeah, I see what you’re both saying. I suppose none of his answers to the mysteries were what I wanted to see. JJ could still revert back on Rey’s parents though. It was only a passing comment by Kylo saying they were nobodies, wasn’t it? He could make Poe a decent character again. And Finn. And Hux. And Luke. I’m not saying he will, but there is plenty he could revert, if he wanted/is allowed.

[Kevvy Metal]

6 minutes ago, JPL said:

Yeah, I see what you’re both saying. I suppose none of his answers to the mysteries were what I wanted to see. JJ could still revert back on Rey’s parents though. It was only a passing comment by Kylo saying they were nobodies, wasn’t it? He could make Poe a decent character again. And Finn. And Hux. And Luke. I’m not saying he will, but there is plenty he could revert, if he wanted/is allowed.

 

None of the mystery answered were what you wanted to see? What would you of liked to of seen instead? Genuine question. 

You don't think Poe, Finn, Hux or Luke are decent characters after the journey they go through in TLJ? What would you of liked to of seen? Again, genuine question. 

[K]

1 minute ago, JPL said:

Yeah, I see what you’re both saying. I suppose none of his answers to the mysteries were what I wanted to see. JJ could still revert back on Rey’s parents though. It was only a passing comment by Kylo saying they were nobodies, wasn’t it? 

 

No, it was hammered home pretty hard. And it was Rey who said her parents were nobodies, rather than Kylo - he prompted her, but she was the one who said it. I guess that's pretty easy to write off as Kylo playing off her worst fears, but it was presented as being both true and emotionally the right answer in the film. If Abrams goes that way, I think it'll feel like a copout for the reasons above.

 

I don't think he needs to revert anyone's characters in the new film, he just needs to give them something cool to do. I liked Finn and Poe's arcs in TLJ, but I can see why people might think they were being sidelined. I don't think any of those characters really changed from TFA in any irrevocable way - Finn got a sense of purpose and belonging, and Poe's recklessness got dialled back a bit, but I can't see how any of that would tie Abrams hands for the new film. Why would he want to revert anything about Poe? His whole arc in TLJ was about learning to be a leader, and not that dude who draws his gun and runs towards danger without thinking.

[kensei]

They've undone Palaptine being, you know, dead, so I'd say Reys heritage is certainly up for discussion. 

 

I don't mind her being a nobody. In fact I quite like it on principle. It was just delivered in a narratively unsatisfying fashion and it made the whole thread pointless. It also didn't really align with TFA*. 

 

* "I need to go back I'm waiting on people coming" seems like it requires epic level delusion on Reys part to fit. 

[kensei]

2 minutes ago, K said:

I liked Finn and Poe's arcs in TLJ, but I can see why people might think they were being sidelined. 

 

I dont think they were sidelined. It's just Finn got the same arc he got in TFA, and Poe's was painfully one dimensional. And also mostly largely to undermine the standard Star Wars trope of maverick plans. 

 

I don't think they'll revert those. But all signs so far point to the Rey and Kylo show. 

[K]

7 minutes ago, kensei said:

They've undone Palaptine being, you know, dead,

 

Depends how they do it. If he's some kind of evil force ghost, then that's hardly a retcon - it'd be consistent with the other films. If they bring him back as him just no longer being dead, then yeah. If they bring him back as a gigantic manga robot with lasers for eyes, then that's fucking wicked, and they should do the same with Luke and Han.

[Darren]

1 hour ago, Stigweard said:

Just thought of a ridiculously scenario but one I wouldnt be surprised if they did it.

 

Ghost Luke vs Ghost Emperor.

 

With all the other ghosts egging them on as they go for it in the cantina car park. Ghost Qui Gon and Obi Wan going “get in there Luke, you’ve got him!” Ghost Leia screaming “leave it Luke, he’s not worth it!”

[kensei]

3 minutes ago, K said:

 

Depends how they do it. If he's some kind of evil force ghost, then that's hardly a retcon - it'd be consistent with the other films. 

 

Lies about heritage are also consistent with other films. Did anyone want Palaptine back? Really? 

[K]

4 minutes ago, kensei said:

 

Lies about heritage are also consistent with other films. Did anyone want Palaptine back? Really? 

 

It wouldn't be the number one thing I wanted for episode 9 admittedly, but I'm happy to wait to see what they do with the idea. The original George Lucas idea for Ep 9 was that this would be the first time we'd see the emperor who we'd glimpsed throughout the entire eight preceding films (although I'm pretty sure this was never anything other than a vague idea). This at least has some consistency with that.

 

For all that, it could well be utterly awful.

[BitterToad]

2 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

None of the mystery answered were what you wanted to see? What would you of liked to of seen instead? Genuine question. 

You don't think Poe, Finn, Hux or Luke are decent characters after the journey they go through in TLJ? What would you of liked to of seen? Again, genuine question. 

Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

Written and Directed by JPL

 

We open on the final scene of The Force Awakens. Rey's outstretched hand holds Luke's old Lightsaber. Luke looks at it, a distant, sullen look in his eyes. He speaks;"I have a... GOOD feeling about this!" He grabs it and does loads of cool spins and shit, HE IS THE ULTIMATE JEDI BADASS!!! "Let's begin your training... DAUGHTER!!!" Rey looks stunned, as does the audience, WHERE HAS THIS POSSIBLY COME FROM!?!?!? HOW DID WE NOT SEE THIS AWESOME TWIST COMING?

 

Meanwhile...

 

We see Lord Emperor Dark Lord Snoke. He is still the awesome, fleshed out evil mastermind we saw in that one scene where he was sort of evil near Ren in Force Awakens. We open on him murdering children alongside the Knights of Ren, each of whom have some awesome expositional text come on screen about who they are because that matters. Snoke speaks; "We are so Evil and awesome.. I wonder if those qualities are in... MY DAUGHTER!!!" CUT TO REY. WHAT!? 

 

Rey does training exactly like Luke does in the old films. Luke's basically Obi Wan. But with more knowledge and backflips. And a fit wife. 

 

Cut to Poe. He's a little cocky, yeah, just like Han was at the start of Episode 4. The twist this time? There is NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!! He's cocky, he's awesome, he doesn't learn because he's too busy blowing shit up. "Fuck your rules" he tells Holdo, and them him and Finn do a high five. Finn's with him the whole time cracking wise and killing baddies. 

 

Hux is... evil? I guess? I'm not sure what people actually wanted from Hux. Or how you improve Hux. Hux is an extension of the slightly camp baddies from the old Star Wars, but he's not very good at it because he's trying to copy them. Like how Ren is purposely a sort of shit Darth Vader. Anyway, yeah, let's have him evil. He kills a load of kids. 

 

The rest of the film is basically everyone saying they've Rey's Mum/Dad. It ends on a big awesome lightsaber fight between Luke and Snoke and Rey and Ren which goes on for 45 minutes. This happens while Poe is winning the Star War. 

 

It turns out Rey is a Yoda. 

 

Cut to credits. 

[JPL]

22 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

None of the mystery answered were what you wanted to see? What would you of liked to of seen instead? Genuine question. 

You don't think Poe, Finn, Hux or Luke are decent characters after the journey they go through in TLJ? What would you of liked to of seen? Again, genuine question. 

Nah, let's not go through what I did and didn't like about TLJ again. I was merely trying to come up with stuff that could quite easily be reverted by JJ. My point was that even though JJ setup a lot of mystery threads in TFA, a lot of people weren't very happy with how Rian handled them, so maybe they could be dialled back to what JJ was aiming towards - if he even had a plan, that is.

[JPL]

@Mugman Jesus dude, I’m trying to discuss which way JJ could take things in Episode IX. Any need for the childish bullshit? If you don’t want me even discussing something I’m quite excited for, then fair enough, I’ll leave you to it.

[Glasgowchivas]

1 hour ago, Stigweard said:

Just thought of a ridiculously scenario but one I wouldnt be surprised if they did it.

 

Ghost Luke vs Ghost Emperor.

 

Almost certainly happening.

 

What I also expect is Palpatine having a clone body to jump back into - maybe needing him to drain a powerful Force User first, to fuel the transfer. Hence, Ren & Rey ending up on the DS2 and Palps playing mind games as to whom will be the battery and who will be the Apprentice.

 

[Stoppy2000]

1 hour ago, Stigweard said:

Just thought of a ridiculously scenario but one I wouldnt be surprised if they did it.

 

Ghost Luke vs Ghost Emperor.

The original script for ROTJ had Obi-Wan helping in the battle Vs Palpatine and returning to life afterwards (I think). So a bit of ghost on ghost combat is well within the realms of possiblity. 

Ghost Luke is going to be awesome. 

[kensei]

1 hour ago, Mugman said:

Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

Written and Directed by JPL

 

We open on the final scene of The Force Awakens. Rey's outstretched hand holds Luke's old Lightsaber. Luke looks at it, a distant, sullen look in his eyes. He speaks;"I have a... GOOD feeling about this!" He grabs it and does loads of cool spins and shit, HE IS THE ULTIMATE JEDI BADASS!!! "Let's begin your training... DAUGHTER!!!" Rey looks stunned, as does the audience, WHERE HAS THIS POSSIBLY COME FROM!?!?!? HOW DID WE NOT SEE THIS AWESOME TWIST COMING?

 

Meanwhile...

 

We see Lord Emperor Dark Lord Snoke. He is still the awesome, fleshed out evil mastermind we saw in that one scene where he was sort of evil near Ren in Force Awakens. We open on him murdering children alongside the Knights of Ren, each of whom have some awesome expositional text come on screen about who they are because that matters. Snoke speaks; "We are so Evil and awesome.. I wonder if those qualities are in... MY DAUGHTER!!!" CUT TO REY. WHAT!? 

 

Rey does training exactly like Luke does in the old films. Luke's basically Obi Wan. But with more knowledge and backflips. And a fit wife. 

 

Cut to Poe. He's a little cocky, yeah, just like Han was at the start of Episode 4. The twist this time? There is NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!! He's cocky, he's awesome, he doesn't learn because he's too busy blowing shit up. "Fuck your rules" he tells Holdo, and them him and Finn do a high five. Finn's with him the whole time cracking wise and killing baddies. 

 

Hux is... evil? I guess? I'm not sure what people actually wanted from Hux. Or how you improve Hux. Hux is an extension of the slightly camp baddies from the old Star Wars, but he's not very good at it because he's trying to copy them. Like how Ren is purposely a sort of shit Darth Vader. Anyway, yeah, let's have him evil. He kills a load of kids. 

 

The rest of the film is basically everyone saying they've Rey's Mum/Dad. It ends on a big awesome lightsaber fight between Luke and Snoke and Rey and Ren which goes on for 45 minutes. This happens while Poe is winning the Star War. 

 

It turns out Rey is a Yoda. 

 

Cut to credits. 

 

Tbh sounds better than what we got.