Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (December 2019)

[Jg15]

Trailer breakdown by Star Wars Explained

 

 

[Comrade]

[Tourist]

3 hours ago, ryodi said:

I like the look of it but with JJ in charge it'll just be a reimagining of Return of the Jedi.

 

I assume this is ironic trolling, but can we now ban a) ANY mention of TLJ and b) any sort of insinuation that JJ Abrams just rehashes stuff. 

 

We get it you absolutely LOVED/HATED TLJ, and JJ Abrams will NEVER be anything but a wrecker of childhood dreams and ON TOP of that he will NEVER out-auteur the most excellent and beloved and holy son Rian Johnson. 

 

But can we  talk about how fucking great Episode IX is going to be now?

 

If you want to talk about how shit it is going to be or how it is going to be a rehash of something else or about how JJ Abrams ate your children or about how Rian Johnson pushes over pensioners for fun, can you please take that to another thread, or forum, or, even better, just keep it inside your head until your brain explodes, Scanners-style, so the rest of us can get on with eking out some small sliver of hope that the world isn't entirely going to shit, or that at least if it is we might get to watch a half-decent movie along the way. 

 

Thx.

[Harsin]

Nice meltdown.

[Tourist]

Sorry, as you were. Let's have another thread about the last jedi. I guess it's just really important for some people to have the same relentlessly boring argument over and over and over and over and over and etc

 

I'll take my star wars excitement elsewhere.

[Festoon]

41 minutes ago, Tourist said:

Sorry, as you were. Let's have another thread about the last jedi. I guess it's just really important for some people to have the same relentlessly boring argument over and over and over and over and over and etc

 

I'll take my star wars excitement elsewhere.

 

It's a discussion forum. You can't dictate positive discussion only. 

[Broker]

Not as boring as you trying to police the discussion and force out some positivity. 

[Stoppy2000]

1 hour ago, Tourist said:

Sorry, as you were. Let's have another thread about the last jedi. I guess it's just really important for some people to have the same relentlessly boring argument over and over and over and over and over and etc

 

I'll take my star wars excitement elsewhere.

It's going to be amazing. Just remember - Lando is back. I must admit I keep forgetting. But Lando. Amazing. 

[Stig]

2 hours ago, Tourist said:

Sorry, as you were. Let's have another thread about the last jedi. I guess it's just really important for some people to have the same relentlessly boring argument over and over and over and over and over and etc

 

I'll take my star wars excitement elsewhere.

 

Havent you spent the better half of the last year and and half bringing up how shit TLJ is in Star Wars threads?

[Tourist]

7 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

Havent you spent the better half of the last year and and half bringing up how shit TLJ is in Star Wars threads?

 

I have discussed it in the TLJ thread, yeah, after that movie was released, and those arguments went on for a long time and didn't go anywhere. You really think they should continue in this one? A thread about the NEXT movie, which isn't out yet, and none of us have seen yet? I mean, sure, go for your life. Enjoy. Like I say, I am going to bow out of this thread now like I bowed out of the TLJ threads, because now this one is as boring as those ones.

 

(Also, a quick search should surely allow you to see exactly how many posts I made about TLJ in the last year and a half, in which threads, and when I stopped posting about it.)

[Hexx]

13 hours ago, Thor said:

Jar Jar Binks.

 

Regarding Rey's orgins and parentage. I believe she's a clone. 

 

I assumed the last shot was a clone like "Luuke Skywalker" 

[Thor]

I'm not familiar with the Luuke storyline. 

[Kevvy Metal]

2 hours ago, Tourist said:

I'll take my star wars excitement elsewhere.

 

You were one of the absolute worst buzz-kills in TLJ thread with you incessant and awful - but entitled to - opinion on the film. It was grating to say the least. 

The cynical takes in here winding you up is some delicious schadenfreude, to say the least. 

[JPL]

Well I’m looking forward to it. I still love Star Wars, no matter how I’ve felt about the films we’ve had so far, so I hope they can finish this trilogy on a high. Roll on December.

[ryodi]

9 hours ago, Tourist said:

 

I assume this is ironic trolling, but can we now ban a) ANY mention of TLJ and b) any sort of insinuation that JJ Abrams just rehashes stuff. 

 

We get it you absolutely LOVED/HATED TLJ, and JJ Abrams will NEVER be anything but a wrecker of childhood dreams and ON TOP of that he will NEVER out-auteur the most excellent and beloved and holy son Rian Johnson. 

 

But can we  talk about how fucking great Episode IX is going to be now?

 

If you want to talk about how shit it is going to be or how it is going to be a rehash of something else or about how JJ Abrams ate your children or about how Rian Johnson pushes over pensioners for fun, can you please take that to another thread, or forum, or, even better, just keep it inside your head until your brain explodes, Scanners-style, so the rest of us can get on with eking out some small sliver of hope that the world isn't entirely going to shit, or that at least if it is we might get to watch a half-decent movie along the way. 

 

Thx.

 

I liked the TFA and that comment was slightly tongue in cheek but to be honest all I want is a Star Wars movie without C3PO in it. I haven’t watched Solo yet so I don’t know if he’s in that.

[Thor]

Apologies for bringing TLJ back into the discussion, but Sunday and yesterday I watched TFA and TLJ respectively. I hadn't actually watched TFA since TLJ's release. TFA is definitely the better Star Wars film, it feels like Star Wars. Yes, some of it just fan service, but sometimes there's nothing wrong with that. TLJ is still a good movie, but it does have some woeful missteps - sidelining Finn for most of it being the worst offender. The whole Canto Bight section was like someone had spliced a Disney movie into a Star Wars movie. And Rose's theme tune doesn't fit the rest of the score, it feels like it was added late in production. And I still press stop on my remote just before that ridiculous final scene with the kid. The film should have ended in the Falcon, with Leia's final line of "We have everything we need". Rian Johnson directed a good movie, but I have to wonder if he was too self-indulgent, with too many yes-men around him; or a yes-man himself, too afraid to say no to meddling producers. 

 

That said, TLJ sets up some interesting things for this third film:

• Muddies the waters even further regarding Rey's parentage
• Deals with Luke very will given where the story left him at the end of TFA.
• Creates a force link between Rey and Kylo, something they can play more with in TROS
• Shows physical uses of the force despite not being a physical presence (Luke and Yoda both do this in TLJ), and that could open up interesting opportunities for TROS
• Removes Snoke, so that Kylo, and now also Palpatine, can take centre stage as as the main villain(s). I always maintained that Snoke was just a vessel for the dark side, and that his "Kills his true enemy" line was talking about himself, not Rey.

The new footage looks great, can't wait to see a full-blown second trailer later this year. 

[Tourist]

19 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

You were one of the absolute worst buzz-kills in TLJ thread with you incessant and awful - but entitled to - opinion on the film. It was grating to say the least. 

The cynical takes in here winding you up is some delicious schadenfreude, to say the least. 

 

Yeah. The TLJ thread. The thread for discussing TLJ. How many more threads do you need to express your love for Rian Johnson? Do you think there is a single person in the universe who doesn't understand how much you love him? Personally I would be surprised.

[K]

I dunno. Even though his view of the film was diametrically opposed to mine, I liked @Tourist  s furious posts in the TLJ thread - I had some fun back and forths with him. And I agree that these threads are a lot more fun when people are more positive, or at least if there’s more of a balance between positivity and trepidation. I don’t want the whole thing to be just a scree of people posting take_my_money!.jpg and posting about the dozens of remote controlled porgs they’ve got on order, but it’s just as boring when it’s an entire platoon of Captain Buzzkills hot dropping into the thread to deploy their scalding takes about how JJ Abrams is actually a hack, or just to neg anyone who says anything they disagree with.

 

There are people on here who seem to just pop into threads for things they don’t like and explain, in case you’d forgotten after the last fifty times they said it, that they don’t like them, that the thing is going to be shit, and that you’re an idiot for thinking it’s going to be good. Enjoy your warm diarrhoea, fanboys! Let me know if there are any other bits of your childhood you want sold back to you! Etc. It gets a bit dull when people just reiterate their dislike for something they’ve continually disliked for about six years.

[Hexx]

38 minutes ago, Thor said:

I'm not familiar with the Luuke storyline. 

 

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Luuke_Skywalker

 

Timothy Zahn is normally much better than this.

[Festoon]

12 minutes ago, Hexx said:

 

 

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Luuke_Skywalker

 

Timothy Zahn is normally much better than this.

 

It's actually worse the Bigger Luke.

[Glasgowchivas]

I liked the Luuke clone - if Lucas had allowed C’Boath to be a clone of Obi-Wan it would have been too much but I think it worked well in the trilogy. It certainly worked for allowing Mara Jade to fulfill the Emperor’s last order. 

[Nick R]

 

[Festoon]

1 minute ago, Nick R said:

 

 

Careful, this could be perceived as criticism.

[Treble]

I'm cautiously optimistic about TRoS. I think JJ is going to chuck a lot at it, and it'll essentially be what TFA was - new characters playing around in their forebears' sandbox -  but providing he nails those character beats, it could be really exciting.

 

I do feel it needs to be more than a bit silly, though. It's space fantasy, FFS, and I don't think the modern entertainment trend of being 'real' and 'honest' has any place in Star Wars. The Skywalker lineage drama should be less Hamlet and more Dynasty. Or maybe (Millennium) Falcon Crest...?

 

I think JJ's more than capable of keeping it frothy but (looking over my shoulder at @K and attempting to avoid his wrath) Abrams struggles desperately with payoffs and conclusions. If he can FINALLY nail the landing, this could be great.

[K]

I'm fine with people being cautiously optimistic, or even posting about how they're worried that Abrams is going to fuck it up. Criticism is fine. I just get annoyed with the "calling it now: gonna be shit" drive-by posts, as in anything else really. You get the sense that some people really thrive on things being shit, and seem to actively seek out bad news about things so they can post it in the relevant thread and revel in how awful its going to be.

[Nick R]

7 minutes ago, Treble said:

Abrams struggles desperately with payoffs and conclusions.

 

The question is: does his co-writer Chris Terrio struggle with endings? Argo is not really comparable (and IIRC most of the appeal of its suspenseful finale came from how well its direction and editing were executed), BvS was many things but very much not a concluding chapter, and Justice League was screwed about with so much that it's hard to know how much of the released film was his.

[Fusty Gusset]

I’m hoping this one devalues the brand enough so somebody else buys it.

[Ran]

Can't wait to see how this turns out. I am a little more wary given my feelings on JJ's Star Trek films. (Enjoyed the first, hated the second with it's blandly shoehorned 'Khan' and dreadful attempt to cleverly reverse the Spock sacrifice).

I thought Force awakens felt very Star Wars but it's worst aspects were poor reflections of the original films. The whole death star rehash felt really clumsily shoved in there but everything around it was enjoyable enough to not fixate on it. I hope the expectation that this will be a ROTJ rehash turns out to be unfounded with that in mind.

I'll keep an open mind but it will take some absolutely masterful storytelling at this point for me to swallow a switch in side by either Kylo Ren or Rey. They feel so aligned with their respective paths over two films now that I worry about a Revenge of the Sith style flip from "barely conflicted Jedi knight to child murdering psychopath before Mace Windu's corpse even hits the concrete"

[Treble]

32 minutes ago, Nick R said:

 

The question is: does his co-writer Chris Terrio struggle with endings? Argo is not really comparable (and IIRC most of the appeal of its suspenseful finale came from how well its direction and editing were executed), BvS was many things but very much not a concluding chapter, and Justice League was screwed about with so much that it's hard to know how much of the released film was his.

 

It's a good question, but in reality how much force (hah!) do you think his co-writers have in the direction of the plot? I don't see much evidence of it in any of his films (excluding MI:3 which I've not seen); they seem to go full JJ in every single one. Like his idol Spielberg, the whole production basically becomes his and his alone if he happens to be co-writer, and the only film he's directed that he didn't also write is the MI film. He's as much an auteur as Tarantino these days, for good.... or ill...

[Nick R]

8 minutes ago, Treble said:

 

It's a good question, but in reality how much force (hah!) do you think his co-writers have in the direction of the plot? I don't see much evidence of it in any of his films (excluding MI:3 which I've not seen); they seem to go full JJ in every single one. Like his idol Spielberg, the whole production basically becomes his and his alone if he happens to be co-writer, and the only film he's directed that he didn't also write is the MI film. He's as much an auteur as Tarantino these days, for good.... or ill...

 

There's still room for the writers' stamp to be visible in JJ's movies. Roberto Orci is notorious for being a 9/11 truther, and hints of those beliefs appear in the false flag conspiracy plots of Mission: Impossible 3 and Star Trek Into Darkness.