Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (December 2019)

[JohnC]

Turns out an earlier draft had Kylo find Palps on a now-desolate, ash-covered Coruscant, with streets overrun by giant wolves. Palpy was hiding out in the deepest levels of the former Jedi temple.

[drmick]

12 hours ago, JohnC said:

Turns out an earlier draft had Kylo find Palps on a now-desolate, ash-covered Coruscant, with streets overrun by giant wolves. Palpy was hiding out in the deepest levels of the former Jedi temple.

 

Oh my God, they killed Coruscant!

[Harsin]

Probably had to remove that because half the audience would still think they blew it up in TFA.

[yakumo]

Re watched the prequels before watching the Disney. Now I hated the prequels but re watching Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith I really enjoyed it this time round. The dialogue is so bad its almost comical how it got on screen and the CG looks dated, wishing it was more practical. But the point is it sort has coloured my opinion on the Rise of the Skywalker, while at the time I found it flawed I now find it pretty terrible in some aspects. Power levels are all over the place, Finn is annoying and the biggest simp on the planet, Palaptine is a bad James Bond villain and still has problems with lightning hands. Stupid plot devices all over the place, and it sucks because I really like Rey too.

[SeanR]

I watched TPM and AotC yesterday, and for all their sins, I take some solace in it’s what George wanted, his vision, on celluloid (as it were), for better or worse.

 

of course, rogue one is a good Star Wars film, and not one of George’s, so maybe that comparison doesn’t holdo water...

 

[Hanzo the Razor]

On 18/05/2020 at 11:48, Alex W. said:

The simpler explanation is that this is simply what happens when J J Abrams has to direct a sequel to his own film.

 

No that's STID. This was a sequel to someone else's film. Neither of them went well.

[Alex W.]

They undid everything that happened in TLJ that they could possibly undo, even if it meant wasting precious screen time. This was a sequel to his movie, even if it had one in between chronologically.

[Nick R]

A video praising one technical aspect of Episode IX:

 

 

If you only want to watch one bit, skip to 5:20 when it shows almost exactly the same shot being used in three Abrams films. They're fine shots, but it's funny seeing them one after the other like that!

 

 

Here's the Brad Bird video he mentions. At 2:48 ("Bad robot!") he talks about a shot from Abrams' STID that is an example of this sort of nicely-blocked camera movement offering no advantage for storytelling:

 

 

[Dirty Harry Potter]

+1!

 

I just wish Brad Bird had directed The Force Awakens (as he was originally rumoured to be before JJ happened to it). 

[Darren]

He could still do one. I'd love to see a Brad Bird Star Wars film. The Iron Giant could have a cameo!

[yakumo]

On 02/06/2020 at 14:32, SeanR said:

I watched TPM and AotC yesterday, and for all their sins, I take some solace in it’s what George wanted, his vision, on celluloid (as it were), for better or worse.

 

of course, rogue one is a good Star Wars film, and not one of George’s, so maybe that comparison doesn’t holdo water...

 

 

Another thing is the prequels felt like we were sharing an universe with aliens and creatures, and the world building in terms of design was amazing. The sequels I didn't feel I was on another planet, it was more humans and sometimes an alien or creature here or there.

[Steve McQueef]

On 04/06/2020 at 11:21, Dirty Harry Potter said:

+1!

 

I just wish Brad Bird had directed The Force Awakens (as he was originally rumoured to be before JJ happened to it). 

I dunno, as fantastic a director of animation as he is, both of his live-action features are forgettable wank. 

 

Tomorrowland especially. 

[SweatyTravolta]

15 hours ago, John Edward Gammell said:

I dunno, as fantastic a director of animation as he is, both of his live-action features are forgettable wank. 

 

Tomorrowland especially. 

Boooo. I always think Tomorrowland is unfairly maligned and was good counter programming to Fury Road, I mean that was literally the point of the story of Tomorrowland.

[womblingfree]

TFA was a pretty conservative and derivative soft-reboot of the OT. Decent pacing, mostly fun with the usual JJ trope of misunderstanding major franchise motifs for a cheap trick; death of Han and Starkiller base being the most obvious.

 

TLJ was a mostly coherent story which introduced some genuinely interesting new elements, mostly hit the mark aside from some ill judged CGI scenes due to an out of control budget and some misplaced humour, although some well judged humour too. Rey from nowhere was this trilogy’s best moment for me by far, a real revelation.

 

RoS was a barely coherent, poorly edited, poorly directed and badly scripted hot-mess. Despite that it was at least entertaining, mostly due to it moving along at such a pace there was barely a second to think about the fact it made no sense before you were off to the next action scene. New characters that went nowhere and had no arc, old characters unexplained until you looked in an illustrated Star Wars encyclopaedia for some background, daft as a brush set-pieces with no logic to them. Yet it was still kind of ok. It’s biggest crime is taking the ideas of TLJ and replacing them with derivative crap, leaving the trilogy’s, and I use the term lightly, legacy all the poorer for those that have to follow it.

[davidcotton]

12 hours ago, womblingfree said:

TFA was a pretty conservative and derivative soft-reboot of the OT. Decent pacing, mostly fun with the usual JJ trope of misunderstanding major franchise motifs for a cheap trick; death of Han and Starkiller base being the most obvious.

 

TLJ was a mostly coherent story which introduced some genuinely interesting new elements, mostly hit the mark aside from some ill judged CGI scenes due to an out of control budget and some misplaced humour, although some well judged humour too. Rey from nowhere was this trilogy’s best moment for me by far, a real revelation.

 

RoS was a barely coherent, poorly edited, poorly directed and badly scripted hot-mess. Despite that it was at least entertaining, mostly due to it moving along at such a pace there was barely a second to think about the fact it made no sense before you were off to the next action scene. New characters that went nowhere and had no arc, old characters unexplained until you looked in an illustrated Star Wars encyclopaedia for some background, daft as a brush set-pieces with no logic to them. Yet it was still kind of ok. It’s biggest crime is taking the ideas of TLJ and replacing them with derivative crap, leaving the trilogy’s, and I use the term lightly, legacy all the poorer for those that have to follow it.

Or to put it another way the only way is up from here.

[K]

I quite liked this defence of the Rise of Skywalker in the Guardian:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/15/why-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-isnt-a-bad-movie#comment-148055475

 

I agree with most of it, apart from the bit arguing that Rey being a Palpatine was a good idea. Rey should always have been a nobody, rather than royalty. Although that said, "rey" is Spanish for "king".

[Eighthours]

I do wonder how much TROS being crap had to do with how little time Abrams had to make it, after Disney sacked  (probably mistakenly, given that the screenplay he was working on was much better than what we got) Colin Trevorrow.

[Festoon]

On 06/06/2020 at 23:49, womblingfree said:

TFA was a pretty conservative and derivative soft-reboot of the OT. Decent pacing, mostly fun with the usual JJ trope of misunderstanding major franchise motifs for a cheap trick; death of Han and Starkiller base being the most obvious.

 

TLJ was a mostly coherent story which introduced some genuinely interesting new elements, mostly hit the mark aside from some ill judged CGI scenes due to an out of control budget and some misplaced humour, although some well judged humour too. Rey from nowhere was this trilogy’s best moment for me by far, a real revelation.

 

RoS was a barely coherent, poorly edited, poorly directed and badly scripted hot-mess. Despite that it was at least entertaining, mostly due to it moving along at such a pace there was barely a second to think about the fact it made no sense before you were off to the next action scene. New characters that went nowhere and had no arc, old characters unexplained until you looked in an illustrated Star Wars encyclopaedia for some background, daft as a brush set-pieces with no logic to them. Yet it was still kind of ok. It’s biggest crime is taking the ideas of TLJ and replacing them with derivative crap, leaving the trilogy’s, and I use the term lightly, legacy all the poorer for those that have to follow it.

 

I declare thee Sir womblingfree, Knight of this Realm.

[Dirty Harry Potter]

On 16/03/2021 at 16:38, Eighthours said:

I do wonder how much TROS being crap had to do with how little time Abrams had to make it.

 

You really need to wonder about that? Of course that was the issue (along with second guessing fan expectations).

 

Its a horrible, irredeemable mess.

[Dirty Harry Potter]

On 16/03/2021 at 16:26, K said:

I quite liked this defence of the Rise of Skywalker in the Guardian:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/15/why-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-isnt-a-bad-movie#comment-148055475

 

I agree with most of it, apart from the bit arguing that Rey being a Palpatine was a good idea. Rey should always have been a nobody, rather than royalty. Although that said, "rey" is Spanish for "king".

 

That article is absolute bobbins imo.

 

Some people like ROTS, in the same way some people like Trump. Or Brexit. Or Wisbech.

 

Basically there's no accounting for taste.

[Hanzo the Razor]

On 16/03/2021 at 16:26, K said:

I quite liked this defence of the Rise of Skywalker in the Guardian:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/15/why-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-isnt-a-bad-movie#comment-148055475

 

"The Rise of Skywalker leans into this, and is fast-paced and funny, and blessedly devoid of talk about trade federations like the unbearable prequels."

 

[CarloOos]

Yeah, I found RoS neither fast paced nor funny. There's an immense amount of shit happening, sure, but it's an absolute slog to watch.

 

Whereas I will defend Star Trek: Into Darkness as being legitimately fast paced and passively enjoyable, if not remotely funny.

[Broker]

On 16/03/2021 at 16:26, K said:

I quite liked this defence of the Rise of Skywalker in the Guardian:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/15/why-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-isnt-a-bad-movie#comment-148055475

 

I agree with most of it, apart from the bit arguing that Rey being a Palpatine was a good idea. Rey should always have been a nobody, rather than royalty. Although that said, "rey" is Spanish for "king".

“Hey they may have completely cut the female character from the last film (who got a tonne of abuse) because toxic man babies demanded it, but they briefly mention another woman!”

 

The person who wrote that article is thick as shit and shows it in both their terrible taste in movies and their terrible writing. 

[K]

OK. Glad you enjoyed it.