Keyboard Koala Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Surely you mean Wibra Godfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyhwuhx Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Keyboard Koala said: Surely you mean Wibra Godfall. Jesus, keep the swearing down will ya?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazimod Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 Anything looks exciting with enough trailer editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyboard Koala Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 It does. It really does tbh. Might give it a try now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazimod Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 Some more gameplay can be found here, in between team chatter; you might need to skip around... So yeah, it is very "live service action RPG", and I think it looks "fine", but I think I'd rather be spending my time with a different live service or a different Platinum title. And the enemies still seem pretty boring and damage spongey. If I bought it, it would be the kind of thing I'd play "between games" - that awkward moment when nothing interesting is being released but I want to distract myself with something. And even then I already have some things that are able to fill that gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyboard Koala Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 13/06/2021 at 21:02, Keyboard Koala said: Looking a bit rough. But I still believe! Platinum doing Souls, I mean what could possibly go wrong? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosegrinder Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 60 quid on Steam. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gerbik Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Not even if it was free tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyboard Koala Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, moosegrinder said: 60 quid on Steam. Ouch. What? I thought the base game of a GaaS game was supposed to be free? Clearly I don't play them sorts of games enough to know. I mean who in their right mind will pay full whack for a game that will be dead in a couple of years? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 "dead in a couple of years" That's the most optimistic statement I've seen someone make about this game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosegrinder Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Keyboard Koala said: What? I thought the base game of a GaaS game was supposed to be free? Clearly I don't play them sorts of games enough to know. I mean who in their right mind will pay full whack for a game that will be dead in a couple of years? Squeenix, innit. Although to be fair Destiny wasn't free to begin with. And still isn't, it has a lot of transactions to get all the content. You'd argue other games like Borderlands 3 and Call Of Duty are all live service games too as they have constant updates, events, expansions etc. This absolutely doesn't have the mass appeal of those though. I was surprised when I saw the price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazimod Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 Yeah, there's no rule about pricing but you'd think with service-based games the buy-in would be low since you have to deal with a basic game that will (hopefully) be fleshed out later. Then again... *gestures at Anthem and its various collector's editions...* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazimod Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 Playstation owners are getting a demo on the 25th. Good luck diverting people's attention from all of the other stuff available in late February. Progress in the demo will carry over to the full game, and a battle pass was also announced because of course it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayin Amoh Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Yay, battle pass. I fucking hate those things. At least the time limited ones, it's less annoying if you can buy one and have it stew - but expecting people to put all their free time into something for unlocks has hit the point of feeling really, really scummy rather than rewarding to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyhwuhx Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, Kayin Amoh said: Yay, battle pass. I fucking hate those things. At least the time limited ones, it's less annoying if you can buy one and have it stew - but expecting people to put all their free time into something for unlocks has hit the point of feeling really, really scummy rather than rewarding to me. This is my main issue with Game Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayin Amoh Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Honestly, I don't see that much of a similarity. You usually get a year instead of a few months, it's entire games instead of cosmetics and boosts, and it allows you to play stuff you'd never even dream of trying out otherwise. It's too much to get through everything, of course, because of the absurd bounty of value on offer. However, I don't feel the need to (unlike in Apex where I feel gipped if I don't finish a pass), and the games can be bought after they leave - or cycle back in on occasion like The Outer Wilds and various others. Game Pass. It's Fan-tastic! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyhwuhx Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 To me the perceived time pressure is similar. I usually flutter between a few titles, can play something for a few weeks, then come back a year later and continue. Having GP would be like installing a real-life Pikmin timer on my hobby that I mainly use to relax. Rebuying after paying for the sub, feels like paying twice. Personal thing though, I totally get how this works very well for others. But, yeah in-game battle passes are much worse. I hate that timer thing on something that's mainly used to relax. In Warframe, I kind of tolerate its equivalent (Nightwave), but it's the most disliked aspect of the game for me. Having it added to something like Babylon's Fall will mean I won't even touch it any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazimod Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 I don't mind battle passes from a player perspective - I'm not really one to chase unlocks - but from a business perspective they kind of feel like the most transparent metric of (ugh) engagement. If Destiny's starts at 1 unlock and goes up to 100, it literally measures player interest as a percentage. (Which also makes it illuminating from a player's own perspective, like when a season's about to end and you've barely scraped past rank 10...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyboard Koala Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 New trailer: Good luck getting any sales for a £60 sub-par Souls-like game that'll ask for more payment down the line, and die on its arse eventually, Platinum. What with Elden Ring out and all. You used to be one of my favourite developers, but after Sol Cresta and now this, it seems you've become nothing more than a greedy husk of a developer once driven by creativity now dictated by shareholders and focus group testing, on its way out. Please don't fuck up Bayonetta 3 on your way to the door. Kthxbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosegrinder Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 It's not really anything new from Squeenix. They have a very long history of unrealistic expectations, stupid pricing decisions and rapid discount of their games. Look at Guardians. Any other publisher would be pleased with its reception and sales but not Squeenix, because the company is run by fucking idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gerbik Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, moosegrinder said: It's not really anything new from Squeenix. They have a very long history of unrealistic expectations, stupid pricing decisions and rapid discount of their games. Look at Guardians. Any other publisher would be pleased with its reception and sales but not Squeenix, because the company is run by fucking idiots. This, a million times this. Complete and utter morons. Tomb Raider reboot and Hitman sold like 4 to 5 million copies each from what I recall which especially for Hitman was a massive success considering the unique genre, the relatively niche ip, and new and risky approach to its distribution structure. Huge critical success too. Squeenix' reaction? "We were hoping for 8 million to compensate for our bungled FFXV development hell waaaaaaah" Someone needs to rescue Eidos and Crystal Dynamics from those idiots 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazimod Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Demo: https://store.playstation.com/en-gb/product/EP0082-PPSA05675_00-BABYLONSFALLDEMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyhwuhx Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Qazimod said: Demo: https://store.playstation.com/en-gb/product/EP0082-PPSA05675_00-BABYLONSFALLDEMO (Thanks for keeping the thread alive though.) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple A Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 On 25/02/2022 at 09:38, Mr. Gerbik said: This, a million times this. Complete and utter morons. Tomb Raider reboot and Hitman sold like 4 to 5 million copies each from what I recall which especially for Hitman was a massive success considering the unique genre, the relatively niche ip, and new and risky approach to its distribution structure. Huge critical success too. Squeenix' reaction? "We were hoping for 8 million to compensate for our bungled FFXV development hell waaaaaaah" Someone needs to rescue Eidos and Crystal Dynamics from those idiots receipts/project P&Ls please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gerbik Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Triple A said: receipts/project P&Ls please? Whut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple A Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. Gerbik said: Whut? present the numbers you have which prove the projects you're defending, as profitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyboard Koala Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Installed the demo. Wanted to play the demo, but needed to fill out several forms to create an online account on SE's servers. Deleted the demo. God help us if this is the future of gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosegrinder Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 So you're saying hitman and Tomb Raider weren't profitable after selling millions of copies? What Gerbik is saying is that Square Enix have a history of massive inflated expectations of sales which games never meet to offset their spending elsewhere. None of their 'western' games ever sell to their expectations. Just Google "tomb raider sales square Enix" and you get results as far back as 2013 saying the same thing they said about Guardians. Whether someone shows you exact projection numbers Vs profit (which we obviously can't) or not even a layman idiot like me can see Squeenix is a company with a deep history of ridiculous targets attempting to offset whatever the hell else they've been doing with their money. They repeat the same lines over and over and over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosegrinder Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Kane And Lynch 2 is the quickest discounted game I've ever seen. 6 days from launch it was halved in price and not by retailers, the cost price was reduced from the distributors which itself came from Square Enix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushashi Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 hours ago, moosegrinder said: Tomb Raider weren't profitable after selling millions of copies? The reboot only became profitable after the release of the Next Gen version and having sold a shittonne of copies. The problem being the small niggle of them having to firesale most of those sales. If they'd have sold the expected amount at fullprice, then it would have met expectations and become profitable way earlier. That's always the problem with people without access to the P&L report, they just equate copies sold as all being equal, the amount of money each copy gets sold for is also fairly important which is why NPD is ranked by revenue, and not copies sold. Quote Last year, Square Enix said it was "very disappointed" that the high review scores for Crystal Dynamics' Tomb Raider reboot had not translated into the equally high sales it had expected for the game - a whopping 5-6 million units within four weeks. Tomb Raider actually sold around 3.4m during its first month on shop shelves - no small amount. But by Square Enix's standards it was nowhere near enough. The lost sales came at a turbulent time for Square Enix - after its "extraordinary loss" at the end of the last financial year and before its "fundamental review" of the entire company. And it was easy to suggest that Square Enix had predicted Tomb Raider would sell more because it (and Hitman: Absolution and Sleeping Dogs) simply needed to in order that they fix the company's financial problems. But from comments made to Eurogamer last night by Tomb Raider executive producer Scot Amos, it wasn't until much later in the year that the game broke even. "By the end of last year - Tomb Raider is in the black," Amos revealed. "We've crossed the line of profitability for the last-gen and PC versions." https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-17-tomb-raider-finally-achieved-profitability-by-the-end-of-last-year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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