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2 hours ago, Kevvy Metal said:


Just stick the yapping heads on Ignore!


They are entitled to their opinion but they can do it in a Zod-like prison of my own creation. 

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I have done, a long time ago.

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14 hours ago, Festoon said:

Talking about your opinions is, y'know, the point of a forum.

 

What's tiresome, is smug superiority.

Yeah, but there is a big difference in having different opinions on things and discussing it than just going 'Actually, you're wrong about the thing you like. I think it's bad', which is what a lot of the discussion in here has become. It feels pointless.

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42 minutes ago, Andy_Why said:

Yeah, but there is a big difference in having different opinions on things and discussing it than just going 'Actually, you're wrong about the thing you like. I think it's bad', which is what a lot of the discussion in here has become. It feels pointless.

 

Sure, but I didn't do that. I explained why I didn't like the masses of creatures massacre at the end of films and explained why.

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I think they've got too many things on the go at the moment, with the first 3 phases you had 5 characters, 2 movies a year meaning everyone gets a sequel within 3 years, but also a team up in the middle where they'd star, that's a close enough series of releases that someone young could essentially grow up with Iron Man or Captain America.

 

Nowadays there's so many characters vying for a few slots that the time between films has become 6 or 7 years, even for the very successful ones, if you're a young person who really liked Shang Chi and want to see more of him, well you can't because his next appearance is so far off it's not even on the schedule. There is also no "Avengers" team up equivalent actually uniting the new characters and making them feel like they're building towards anything because it would make the schedule even worse.

 

And a big part of the reason for that is all the past characters are still hanging around, a few years after Endgame we've still got Dr Strange and Antman and Spiderman and Thor taking up space in the schedule, I get they don't want to cut those short simply because their larger arc wrapped up (and because they still make money), but it is having a negative effect where it feels like anything new hasn't really begun because the old is effectively outnumbering it.

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4 hours ago, RubberJohnny said:

And a big part of the reason for that is all the past characters are still hanging around, a few years after Endgame we've still got Dr Strange and Antman and Spiderman and Thor taking up space in the schedule

 

Of those, Dr Strange still feels to me as if he's a much more recent addition to the series then Ant-Man, even though there's only just over a year's gap between their introductions. I think it's because even though Strange has popped up in more films than Ant-Man, it took much longer for his own sequel to come out.

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So there's a lot of stuff coming out, huh? 

 

I'll spoiler this, even though it's old and probably not worth spoilering, but in relation to an end teaser we got (I think?) in GotG2, when is

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Adam Warlock

going to appear? 

 

I don't know anything about the spoiler, other than it happened in the film, but I think that is the only end-credit tease from the whole Infinity Saga films that hasn't had any further mention yet? 

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Just now, Spicyhotpepper said:

So there's a lot of stuff coming out, huh? 

 

I'll spoiler this, even though it's old and probably not worth spoilering, but in relation to an end teaser we got (I think?) in GotG2, when is

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Adam Warlock

going to appear? 

 

I don't know anything about the spoiler, other than it happened in the film, but I think that is the only end-credit tease from the whole Infinity Saga films that hasn't had any further mention yet? 

 

GoTG3

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19 minutes ago, Spicyhotpepper said:

So there's a lot of stuff coming out, huh? 

 

I'll spoiler this, even though it's old and probably not worth spoilering, but in relation to an end teaser we got (I think?) in GotG2, when is

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Adam Warlock

going to appear? 

 

I don't know anything about the spoiler, other than it happened in the film, but I think that is the only end-credit tease from the whole Infinity Saga films that hasn't had any further mention yet? 


Baron Mordo from the end of Dr Strange 1 has never been followed up on.

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10 minutes ago, Spicyhotpepper said:

Hmm, any others?

 

Black Panther's mid-credits scene, in which T'Challa pledges to share Wakandan technology with the rest of the world. I don't think that's been referenced since then.

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3 hours ago, Broker said:


Baron Mordo from the end of Dr Strange 1 has never been followed up on.

 

He was in a deleted scene in Multiverse of Madness- where he was killed by Wanda.

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17 hours ago, Spicyhotpepper said:

Hmm, any others?


Not an end credit thing, but no one has mentioned a celestial sticking out of Earth since Eternals

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On 30/07/2022 at 10:35, Ste_S said:


Not an end credit thing, but no one has mentioned a celestial sticking out of Earth since Eternals

 

The timeliness between things don't seem to line up much at the moment. Hawkeye took place after Spider-man NWH but 

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Yolena mentions the new Statue of Liberty despite the Sheild being destroyed in NWH

 

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You definitely shouldn’t expect everything to line up, they’re just not that bothered about that. Those things will reappear if there’s a cool scene in it or be forgotten forever if there’s not. 

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On 27/07/2022 at 21:33, Broker said:

Further to the earlier story about the xmen contracts, apparently the biggest concern isn’t the actors, it’s the producers. Bryan Singer and Simon Kimberg are contracted to produce any xmen movies made before 2025 and marvel don’t want to pay them or let them be involved.

 

https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2022/07/26/marvel-x-men-delay-until-2025/


Well in that case I’m happy to wait - fuck Bryan Singer. 

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Having re read the secret wars comics since the announcement, I’m really curious how they’re going to adapt it.  There are a lot of side stories that tie in as well, and while they’re not essential, it feels like the comic equivalent of watching Infinity War if you haven’t seen much of the MCU.  But there’s so much that they’d need to set up that I can’t see where they’d really squeeze in that I can only see it being a very loose adaptation.  
 

The assumption I’d make is that we’ll see Kang popping up more - we know he’s in Antman so possibly in a few other things around Fantastic Four before Kang Dynasty, setting up multiple Kang variants who will probably be lead by a Prime Kang.  I’d expect there to be at least one “good” kang in there somewhere too.  Secret wars deals with the destruction of the multiverse and a world created by Doom, who becomes god like, in the aftermath comprised of many saved bits of worlds from the destruction.  They haven’t set up any of that yet, or anything close - we’ve seen heroes from other multiverses in Dr Strange 2, but none of them are gonna appear here.  I can’t see them introducing Doom yet to take away from Kang.

 

So, my theory is - the phase 6 movies are from other universes.  It’s a way of getting established heroes into the current universe without explaining why they haven’t been around, such as the fantastic four.  Yes, that means I think they

l set the Fantastic Four movie in another multiverse. They’ve already said that it won’t be an origin, as the audience are aware of them, but means they don’t have to retcon why they weren’t around or known about during endgame.  I think we could see other characters used similarly like the mutants or even Deadpool.  Something in Kang Dynasty creates incursions that start destroying universes, secret wars brings them all together and after establishes previously non existent characters in a “new” MCU.  The good Kang takes the place of God Doom, but as the last remaining Kang, turns out this was his long game all along and he’s a dick, and he becomes Dr Doom.

 

Unless they do the 1984 secret wars, which is kind of bonkers and fits even less, but I’d kind of love to see them have a go just because of how out there it would be - stuff like Galactus being challenged by Ulton, and Wasp talking more about her hair and nails than anything else.

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I didn't like the Secret Wars/Battleworld comics, I found them to be an overly crowded and disjointed mess that tied together too many series for purely cash cow reasons.

Saying that it was better than Infinity which felt like a slog - Miss one issue of a minor character and nothing makes sense.

 

Imagine a film where every scene is like the end battle of Endgame, that's what it felt like but in comic form.

 

I have high hopes for the MCU as they don't stick to the comics verbatim, still worried that they'll tie themselves in knots though as their multiverse efforts so far haven't felt linked in any way.

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22 hours ago, cubik said:

I didn't like the Secret Wars/Battleworld comics, I found them to be an overly crowded and disjointed mess that tied together too many series for purely cash cow reasons.

Saying that it was better than Infinity which felt like a slog - Miss one issue of a minor character and nothing makes sense.

 

Imagine a film where every scene is like the end battle of Endgame, that's what it felt like but in comic form.

 

I have high hopes for the MCU as they don't stick to the comics verbatim, still worried that they'll tie themselves in knots though as their multiverse efforts so far haven't felt linked in any way.

Yeah I agree to be honest.  I’m not sure why there’s as many people hyped about it being adapted.  It’s very much a case of throwing things at the pages in the hope something sticks.  Lots of stuff doesn’t make logical sense either, like the logistics of the incursions themselves blatantly only exist in the way they do to allow the story to occur as it does, rather than it being sensible.  I know you’re expected to suspend disbelief in comic books and accept stuff a bit easier, but there’s still lines where you have to stay in for it to be something you can accept, even in a world where people fly and there are actual wizards, and this skirts it too often for my liking.

 

Sure, there are some cool bits in there, and some bits sound cool but don’t really work (for me).  But that’s the problem too, too often it’s like it’s been written with an eye to it being read out loud by an overexcited YouTuber who’ll say stuff like “and then, oh man, an this is crazy….then it turns out black Panther finds an infinity gauntlet.  And then holy shit, and the he goes and finds the Marvel Zombies who are here too, and get this….he gets them to fight Doom for him.  It’s soooo epic guys”.  The irony is there are some bits that feel like they could have been genuinely good but are poorly told.  For example, in the preface that leads up to the first issue where you see everyone preparing for the worst, Cap confronts Tony in the Ultimates version of Earth.  Like properly “the worlds going to end, you need to face up to some of the shit you’ve done” stuff where they fight and Cap is genuinely angry at Tony for some of the stuff he’s done “for the greater good”.  Tony in this universe isn’t a good person, but skirts on the good side enough to get a pass.  There’s some genuine emotional stuff there too, with Cap calling out Tony and Tony obviously sick of what he sees as Cap feeling he’s morally superior.  Or at least it would be if if weren’t told in a way that even with flashbacks during the fight, it’s not really that clear what exactly Cap wants to smash his face in for, and the stuff before is so muddled it’s hard trying to find the threads to make it really make sense.

 

I do think that they can make something very loosely tied to it that could be good though.  It’ll dial back a lot of it though.  But we’ll see.

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Has anyone else watched the new Groot shorts?

 

The last ep

 

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Has a nice Rocket cameo, though I felt his animation was noticeably poorer than in the films.

 

Also - the picture that Groot drew implies that he remembers his actions in the first Guardians films - so he's the same Groot, not a new one!

 

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1 hour ago, MansizeRooster said:

Has anyone else watched the new Groot shorts?

 

The last ep

 

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Has a nice Rocket cameo, though I felt his animation was noticeably poorer than in the films.

 

Also - the picture that Groot drew implies that he remembers his actions in the first Guardians films - so he's the same Groot, not a new one!

 


Which is the last one? Like Marvel Rising, there’s no way to know the order. Which is fucking annoying.

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