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14 minutes ago, sandman said:

With most of the rewatch done I think my fave 7 (in no order) are

 

Doctor Strange

Ant Man

Black Panther

Iron Man 3

Infinity War

Captain America TFA

Avengers Assemble

 

These stand head and shoulders above the rest IMHO

Infinity War towers above all the others for me and my list would be pretty different to yours. It just felt like the perfect culmination of everything that had gone before, but with the epicness cranked up to the absolute maximum.

 

I’m hoping Endgame tops it though and is the perfect finale to the whole saga. I’ll find out in a couple of hours. Can’t wait.

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20 hours ago, Vespa Alex said:

What's the etiquette going to be in this thread for the next few days?
Are people using spoiler tags, or is this somewhere to avoid completely from midnight tonight?

Any chance we can get the thread title updated if needed?

 

There's a specific Spoiler Thread for Endgame but I'll update the title of this thread to try and keep it spoiler free until the end of the theatrical run, at least.

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3 hours ago, Glasgowchivas said:

 

There's a specific Spoiler Thread for Endgame but I'll update the title of this thread to try and keep it spoiler free until the end of the theatrical run, at least.

 

Thanks. Much appreciated. I've only got to manage another 24 hours, but it's still quite risky being online.

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6 hours ago, sandman said:

I'm not watching Endgame to next weekend - cant stand packed cinemas!

 

I hate packed cinemas too but there's something awesome when the whole cinema is whooping and cheering at key moments. 

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So - Spider-Man Far from home.

huge spoilers in here - do not read if not seen endgame 

 

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So the far from home is post snap?

All his class happened to get snapped and returned so this is in the 5 years after phase.

Presumable Fury takes over as his handler with Happy, as Stark is now dead and not in the trailer? 

 

 

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21 hours ago, sandman said:

I'm not watching Endgame to next weekend - cant stand packed cinemas!

:(

 

that’s a shame. I love the experience no matter what but last night i kept stealing glances around to see how people were reacting, it’s great when even silence speaks volumes

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The story so far, spoilered for length:

 

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1. Iron Man: What needs to be said? RDJ kills it, the armour is excellent, the CG fares surprisingly well given its age. 9/10

 

2. The Incredible Hulk: The MCU's most awkward, least thought of entry. Quite clearly retrofitted late in production to reference Iron Man. Casting Edward Norton is probably the most regrettable mistake in the series. Quite a lot of character dead ends. Despite that, lovely production, and a fun story. 5/10

 

3. Iron Man 2: Widely reviled, undeservedly so. Given modern understanding of the interplay between MCU films, the additional characters don't come across as much like sequel advertising as like part of the overarching narrative. Sam Rockwell absolutely nails it, one of the best antagonists in the entire MCU. Solid sequel. 7/10

 

4. Thor: Definitely showing its age at this stage, both in its CG and in its general tone and storytelling. Anthony Hopkins is excellent, Tom Hiddleston is competant but yet to find his swagger. Everything to do with Natalie Portman is a total yawn-fest. Thor breaking in to the SHIELD compound is a definite highlight. 6/10

 

5. Captain America: The First Avenger: This does surprisingly well, and works well when taken into the context of the Cap trilogy. It's just as much about Bucky's journey as Cap's. Red Skull is an excellent villain. 6/10

 

6. Avengers Assemble: Total classic, here we see the MCU fun and exciting tone in full force for the first time. Special effects are largely excellent, and does a surprisingly good job of introducing all characters, regardless of what you've seen before. 9/10

 

7. Iron Man 3: One of the worst MCU films in my book. It's story and motivations are completely at odds with the rest of the MCU storylines, Iron Man is all but absent in the film and is comically depowered, the Mandarin misdirect is horribly executed, and the ending makes no sense whatsoever. 4/10

 

8. Thor: The Dark World: Anthony Hopkins couldn't be more obviously phoning it in here, and I don't blame him. I fell asleep just before the big end set-piece. 4/10

 

9. Captain America: Winter Soldier: The Russo Brother's MCU debut, and what a drastic uptick in quality. One of the MCU's best. The action set-pieces are breathtaking, with a personal highlight being Fury's car chase. A hinted-at Cap/Natasha romantic sub-plot is regrettably trampled on by subsequent films. The tone and pacing of this film is absolutely spot-on. 9/10

 

10. Guardians of the Galaxy: I hadn't seen this in a good long while, and my god did it absolutely shine on this re-watch. With characterisation chops that are the envy of every other MCU director, James Gunn confidently putsforward a film that up until this point was rivalled only by Avengers Assemble in terms of fun and excitement. The MCU enters the cosmic realm in dazzling fashion. 9/10

 

11. Avengers: Age of Ultron: A film so busy with subplots and running at such a speed that it borders on incoherence. A lot of half-baked and poorly concluded threads. I remember coming out of the cinema having watched it for the first time, and not being sure that I understood what I'd seen. Repeat viewings can alleviate these issues though. Regardless, excellent action and contains my personal favourite Stan Lee cameo. 7/10

 

12. Ant-Man: If ever a character thrived on being the underdog, Ant-Man was it. It's obvious from the tone and marketing that Marvel was aware of that strength, and as such they serve up a surprisingly entertaining film here, so much so that expectations are pleasantly exceeded. Paul Rudd plays Scott Lang perfectly. The heist theme is excellently done. 8/10

 

13. Captain America: Civil War: The finest that the MCU has to offer, in my opinion. The plot provides a genuine moral quandary, and each character gets to say their piece. Black Panther is better in this than in his own film, Spider-Man is introduced perfectly ("QUEENS" - SQUEE!) and the action set-pieces are just mesmerising. Most people mention the airport centre-piece, but I think the real highlight is the end fight sequence between Cap, Iron Man and Bucky. There's real weight and consequence here. Thanos gets a lot of credit for it, but Zemo is truly the first villain to have won by the end of the film. 10/10

 

14. Doctor Strange: When I heard that Scott Derrickson was directing this, I was thrilled. Given this and Doctor Strange's previous experience with the occult and Lovecraftian antagonists, I thought Marvel was going to make a horror film. Instead we get a trippy magic-as-kung-fu origin story, steeped in 60's psychedelia, and some of the best and most brain-melting special effects ever seen in film. It feels strangely similar to the first Iron Man, a kind of throw-back to the origins of the MCU. Mads Mikkelson is absolutely wasted in this film (he would have been my dream casting for Doctor Doom), and Tilda Swinton steals every scene she's in. The ending's tone is pulled straight out of the comics, to my utter delight. This film opens Strange up to some wonderful future possibilities, which we've already begun to see. 7/10

 

15. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2: This film has some pretty big shoes to fill. The first film was a fantastic, confident and stylish departure from the other MCU fare, and it does seem like Gunn was feeling the pressure to replicate and improve upon all of those points. Unfortunately, while on paper this film is grander than the previous, it loses sight of some characterisation, the true linchpin of the original. The worst offence is Drax - a character who's motivations from the first film, the deep mourning for his family, and murderous need to gain vengeance, is replaced by a character who basically just laughs at everything.

There's a bit too much playing for laughs, and the music is a bit too shoehorned in, but there are some excellent messages about the importance of family, despite their imperfections. Kurt Russell is an inspired bit of casting for the role he plays. 7/10

 

16. Spider-Man: Homecoming: This film truly shows just what Marvel can do that other studios just can't. They truly understand the characters and storylines, and don't shy away from any of the details that might not translate so well to film. They've realised that getting Peter Parker right and getting Spider-Man right are two different jobs, and getting one right doesn't imply that that the other is a done deal.

We FINALLY have a Peter Parker who is actually a school-kid, and wisely manage to bypass the already battered-to-death origin story. Melding supporting characters from both the Peter Parker and Miles Morales runs works well in my opinion, and the film actually delivers a genuinely shocking twist for the first time in the MCU. Tom Holland nails it on all fronts, and Michael Keaton takes an easy paycheck, but does a fantastic job while doing it. The best Spider-Man film, despite the first 10 minutes delivering the two most maddening continuity errors in the whole MCU. 9/10

 

17. Thor: Ragnarok: Well, it only took them 2 feature films and 2 tie-in Avengers films, but they finally got Thor right. This film is a perfect symbiosis of the Marvel Studios juggernaut and a very singular and distinctive directorial style. Dispensing with the chaff of the franchise in hilariously brazen style, this film introduces new, much more engaging characters which embrace the inherent silliness of the franchise. Despite the levity of the film, the storyline lives up to its title in smuggling a cataclysmically dark story past the viewer. There are a few technical issues (perhaps the most blatant and noticeable green screen work in the MCU, and the lighting always looks very... studio-y), but there's such a sense of fun in this film that it's easily forgiven. Blanchett absolutely nails her role as Hela and obviously had great fun doing so. Korg is hilarious and Hulk is, for the first time, a fleshed out character. This is a masterclass in how to turn an ailing franchise around. 9/10

 

18. Black Panther: The real star of this film is the land of Wakanda. A wonderful job has been done here to flesh out and make real a jaw-dropping nation and culture, cribbed from bits and pieces of the various nations of southern Africa. My fiancee was thrilled to see the characters speaking Xhosa - apparently, everyone apart from the guy playing King T'Chaka absolutely massacres the accent. The antagonist - one that has a truly defensible viewpoint, and genuinely thinks that he's doing what's right - is played with genuine ferocity, and carries multiple fascinating subtexts in both his views and actions. He is absolutely dwarfed by Danai Gurira though - she very adeptly plays a truly fierce and determined woman. A huge highlight is the casino scene, which threatens to out-Bond Bond. Unfortunately the ending set-piece quickly descends into Marvel-by-numbers action, which doesn't manage to match the style and confidence of the first half of the film, and has sub-par CG work that isn't nearly as good as the stuff in the first Iron Man. Given the outpouring of love and undeniable cultural impact of this film, T'Challa will definitely be a central part of the MCU going forward. 8/10

 

19. Avengers: Infinity War: This is the most comic book film ever - it has insanely heightened stakes and storyline, makes absolutely no attempt to be self-contained and assumes a foreknowledge of the vast storylines that have come before it. A lot of people would say that these are negatives, but certainly not me. Thanos is just a jaw-dropping achievement, in terms of technology, acting and writing. The film has a very brisk pace indeed, and a lot of moving parts, but never descends into the incoherence of AoU. The CGI and effects are stunning throughout, with a few notable exceptions. Doctor Strange is my personal MVP - his fight sequence with Thanos is perfect. I actually shouted in the cinema when a long-standing, but previously-assumed-to-be-unlikely theory regarding the reappearance of a certain character turned out to be on the money.

This film shows the mass audience what comic book fans have always seen on the page. 10/10

 

20. Ant-Man & The Wasp: This one is very similar to Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - on paper it ticks all the boxes from the first film, but in actuality just isn't as good as the original. That said, it certainly has its charms, and it does an excellent job of making Hope van Dyne a very capable and formidable character without sacrificing any of her humanity. The stuff about Janet van Dyne possessing Scott was pretty off-puttingly daft, and Luis isn't as endearing a character as in the first film. There is absolutely no reason why Walton Goggins character couldn't have been a reappearance of Justin Hammer. The end scene credit is an excellent lead into Endgame, and is possibly the only part of this film that needs to be seen. 6/10

 

21. Captain Marvel: This is a strange one. Brie Larson nails it as a competent and confident, but never outright arrogant, protagonist. She has a real sense of empathy and justice, the real makings of a true hero. There is a really inspiring message about personal strength and determination that lifts the story up. The film is, however, not without fault, most of which can be laid down directly at the directors' feet. There are some questions about character motivations and reactions, and some of the action is poorly laid out. Some of the lighting is god-awful. Ben Mendelsohn nails his role as arch-Skrull. The 90's nods were lovely, although I wish they'd taken more advantage of the Riot Grrl music that was at their disposal. Hopefully this Cap's trilogy has the same trajectory as the other Cap's, and the sequels deliver on this film's promise. 6/10

 

22. Avengers: Endgame: Holy Jesus. I can't spoil anything at this stage, obviously, but WOW. This film starts off with such a dark mood and tone, and takes the viewer EVERYWHERE on the emotional spectrum on the way to flat-out the most satisfying ending to a film that I've ever experienced. There's a real story here, there's real consequence, a lot of VERY real character beats, and despite the agency of the storyline there is an embarrassment of fan-service present in this film. Chris Hemsworth yet again pulls off some masterful sleight-of-hand in portraying a dark and tragic character arc hidden behind absolute hilarity. RDJ provides an acting masterclass throughout. The gargantuan run-time just slips by. 10/10

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Now that The Infinity Saga is complete or will be with Spider-Man Far From Home.

Will they do another long story arc or go for stand-alone films?

 

I wonder when they will bring in the characters from the Fox deal.

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27 minutes ago, mansizerooster said:

The story so far, spoilered for length:

 

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1. Iron Man: What needs to be said? RDJ kills it, the armour is excellent, the CG fares surprisingly well given its age. 9/10

 

2. The Incredible Hulk: The MCU's most awkward, least thought of entry. Quite clearly retrofitted late in production to reference Iron Man. Casting Edward Norton is probably the most regrettable mistake in the series. Quite a lot of character dead ends. Despite that, lovely production, and a fun story. 5/10

 

3. Iron Man 2: Widely reviled, undeservedly so. Given modern understanding of the interplay between MCU films, the additional characters don't come across as much like sequel advertising as like part of the overarching narrative. Sam Rockwell absolutely nails it, one of the best antagonists in the entire MCU. Solid sequel. 7/10

 

4. Thor: Definitely showing its age at this stage, both in its CG and in its general tone and storytelling. Anthony Hopkins is excellent, Tom Hiddleston is competant but yet to find his swagger. Everything to do with Natalie Portman is a total yawn-fest. Thor breaking in to the SHIELD compound is a definite highlight. 6/10

 

5. Captain America: The First Avenger: This does surprisingly well, and works well when taken into the context of the Cap trilogy. It's just as much about Bucky's journey as Cap's. Red Skull is an excellent villain. 6/10

 

6. Avengers Assemble: Total classic, here we see the MCU fun and exciting tone in full force for the first time. Special effects are largely excellent, and does a surprisingly good job of introducing all characters, regardless of what you've seen before. 9/10

 

7. Iron Man 3: One of the worst MCU films in my book. It's story and motivations are completely at odds with the rest of the MCU storylines, Iron Man is all but absent in the film and is comically depowered, the Mandarin misdirect is horribly executed, and the ending makes no sense whatsoever. 4/10

 

8. Thor: The Dark World: Anthony Hopkins couldn't be more obviously phoning it in here, and I don't blame him. I fell asleep just before the big end set-piece. 4/10

 

9. Captain America: Winter Soldier: The Russo Brother's MCU debut, and what a drastic uptick in quality. One of the MCU's best. The action set-pieces are breathtaking, with a personal highlight being Fury's car chase. A hinted-at Cap/Natasha romantic sub-plot is regrettably trampled on by subsequent films. The tone and pacing of this film is absolutely spot-on. 9/10

 

10. Guardians of the Galaxy: I hadn't seen this in a good long while, and my god did it absolutely shine on this re-watch. With characterisation chops that are the envy of every other MCU director, James Gunn confidently putsforward a film that up until this point was rivalled only by Avengers Assemble in terms of fun and excitement. The MCU enters the cosmic realm in dazzling fashion. 9/10

 

11. Avengers: Age of Ultron: A film so busy with subplots and running at such a speed that it borders on incoherence. A lot of half-baked and poorly concluded threads. I remember coming out of the cinema having watched it for the first time, and not being sure that I understood what I'd seen. Repeat viewings can alleviate these issues though. Regardless, excellent action and contains my personal favourite Stan Lee cameo. 7/10

 

12. Ant-Man: If ever a character thrived on being the underdog, Ant-Man was it. It's obvious from the tone and marketing that Marvel was aware of that strength, and as such they serve up a surprisingly entertaining film here, so much so that expectations are pleasantly exceeded. Paul Rudd plays Scott Lang perfectly. The heist theme is excellently done. 8/10

 

13. Captain America: Civil War: The finest that the MCU has to offer, in my opinion. The plot provides a genuine moral quandary, and each character gets to say their piece. Black Panther is better in this than in his own film, Spider-Man is introduced perfectly ("QUEENS" - SQUEE!) and the action set-pieces are just mesmerising. Most people mention the airport centre-piece, but I think the real highlight is the end fight sequence between Cap, Iron Man and Bucky. There's real weight and consequence here. Thanos gets a lot of credit for it, but Zemo is truly the first villain to have won by the end of the film. 10/10

 

14. Doctor Strange: When I heard that Scott Derrickson was directing this, I was thrilled. Given this and Doctor Strange's previous experience with the occult and Lovecraftian antagonists, I thought Marvel was going to make a horror film. Instead we get a trippy magic-as-kung-fu origin story, steeped in 60's psychedelia, and some of the best and most brain-melting special effects ever seen in film. It feels strangely similar to the first Iron Man, a kind of throw-back to the origins of the MCU. Mads Mikkelson is absolutely wasted in this film (he would have been my dream casting for Doctor Doom), and Tilda Swinton steals every scene she's in. The ending's tone is pulled straight out of the comics, to my utter delight. This film opens Strange up to some wonderful future possibilities, which we've already begun to see. 7/10

 

15. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2: This film has some pretty big shoes to fill. The first film was a fantastic, confident and stylish departure from the other MCU fare, and it does seem like Gunn was feeling the pressure to replicate and improve upon all of those points. Unfortunately, while on paper this film is grander than the previous, it loses sight of some characterisation, the true linchpin of the original. The worst offence is Drax - a character who's motivations from the first film, the deep mourning for his family, and murderous need to gain vengeance, is replaced by a character who basically just laughs at everything.

There's a bit too much playing for laughs, and the music is a bit too shoehorned in, but there are some excellent messages about the importance of family, despite their imperfections. Kurt Russell is an inspired bit of casting for the role he plays. 7/10

 

16. Spider-Man: Homecoming: This film truly shows just what Marvel can do that other studios just can't. They truly understand the characters and storylines, and don't shy away from any of the details that might not translate so well to film. They've realised that getting Peter Parker right and getting Spider-Man right are two different jobs, and getting one right doesn't imply that that the other is a done deal.

We FINALLY have a Peter Parker who is actually a school-kid, and wisely manage to bypass the already battered-to-death origin story. Melding supporting characters from both the Peter Parker and Miles Morales runs works well in my opinion, and the film actually delivers a genuinely shocking twist for the first time in the MCU. Tom Holland nails it on all fronts, and Michael Keaton takes an easy paycheck, but does a fantastic job while doing it. The best Spider-Man film, despite the first 10 minutes delivering the two most maddening continuity errors in the whole MCU. 9/10

 

17. Thor: Ragnarok: Well, it only took them 2 feature films and 2 tie-in Avengers films, but they finally got Thor right. This film is a perfect symbiosis of the Marvel Studios juggernaut and a very singular and distinctive directorial style. Dispensing with the chaff of the franchise in hilariously brazen style, this film introduces new, much more engaging characters which embrace the inherent silliness of the franchise. Despite the levity of the film, the storyline lives up to its title in smuggling a cataclysmically dark story past the viewer. There are a few technical issues (perhaps the most blatant and noticeable green screen work in the MCU, and the lighting always looks very... studio-y), but there's such a sense of fun in this film that it's easily forgiven. Blanchett absolutely nails her role as Hela and obviously had great fun doing so. Korg is hilarious and Hulk is, for the first time, a fleshed out character. This is a masterclass in how to turn an ailing franchise around. 9/10

 

18. Black Panther: The real star of this film is the land of Wakanda. A wonderful job has been done here to flesh out and make real a jaw-dropping nation and culture, cribbed from bits and pieces of the various nations of southern Africa. My fiancee was thrilled to see the characters speaking Xhosa - apparently, everyone apart from the guy playing King T'Chaka absolutely massacres the accent. The antagonist - one that has a truly defensible viewpoint, and genuinely thinks that he's doing what's right - is played with genuine ferocity, and carries multiple fascinating subtexts in both his views and actions. He is absolutely dwarfed by Danai Gurira though - she very adeptly plays a truly fierce and determined woman. A huge highlight is the casino scene, which threatens to out-Bond Bond. Unfortunately the ending set-piece quickly descends into Marvel-by-numbers action, which doesn't manage to match the style and confidence of the first half of the film, and has sub-par CG work that isn't nearly as good as the stuff in the first Iron Man. Given the outpouring of love and undeniable cultural impact of this film, T'Challa will definitely be a central part of the MCU going forward. 8/10

 

19. Avengers: Infinity War: This is the most comic book film ever - it has insanely heightened stakes and storyline, makes absolutely no attempt to be self-contained and assumes a foreknowledge of the vast storylines that have come before it. A lot of people would say that these are negatives, but certainly not me. Thanos is just a jaw-dropping achievement, in terms of technology, acting and writing. The film has a very brisk pace indeed, and a lot of moving parts, but never descends into the incoherence of AoU. The CGI and effects are stunning throughout, with a few notable exceptions. Doctor Strange is my personal MVP - his fight sequence with Thanos is perfect. I actually shouted in the cinema when a long-standing, but previously-assumed-to-be-unlikely theory regarding the reappearance of a certain character turned out to be on the money.

This film shows the mass audience what comic book fans have always seen on the page. 10/10

 

20. Ant-Man & The Wasp: This one is very similar to Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - on paper it ticks all the boxes from the first film, but in actuality just isn't as good as the original. That said, it certainly has its charms, and it does an excellent job of making Hope van Dyne a very capable and formidable character without sacrificing any of her humanity. The stuff about Janet van Dyne possessing Scott was pretty off-puttingly daft, and Luis isn't as endearing a character as in the first film. There is absolutely no reason why Walton Goggins character couldn't have been a reappearance of Justin Hammer. The end scene credit is an excellent lead into Endgame, and is possibly the only part of this film that needs to be seen. 6/10

 

21. Captain Marvel: This is a strange one. Brie Larson nails it as a competent and confident, but never outright arrogant, protagonist. She has a real sense of empathy and justice, the real makings of a true hero. There is a really inspiring message about personal strength and determination that lifts the story up. The film is, however, not without fault, most of which can be laid down directly at the directors' feet. There are some questions about character motivations and reactions, and some of the action is poorly laid out. Some of the lighting is god-awful. Ben Mendelsohn nails his role as arch-Skrull. The 90's nods were lovely, although I wish they'd taken more advantage of the Riot Grrl music that was at their disposal. Hopefully this Cap's trilogy has the same trajectory as the other Cap's, and the sequels deliver on this film's promise. 6/10

 

22. Avengers: Endgame: Holy Jesus. I can't spoil anything at this stage, obviously, but WOW. This film starts off with such a dark mood and tone, and takes the viewer EVERYWHERE on the emotional spectrum on the way to flat-out the most satisfying ending to a film that I've ever experienced. There's a real story here, there's real consequence, a lot of VERY real character beats, and despite the agency of the storyline there is an embarrassment of fan-service present in this film. Chris Hemsworth yet again pulls off some masterful sleight-of-hand in portraying a dark and tragic character arc hidden behind absolute hilarity. RDJ provides an acting masterclass throughout. The gargantuan run-time just slips by. 10/10

 

I agree regarding RDJ.  Some really great proper acting on display.  If any of the MCU actors were ever going to get some awards love its his performance in Endgame. 

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23 minutes ago, gospvg said:

Now that The Infinity Saga is complete or will be with Spider-Man Far From Home.

Will they do another long story arc or go for stand-alone films?

 

I wonder when they will bring in the characters from the Fox deal.

 

My understanding is that The Infinity Saga ends with Endgame, and Phase 3 ends with Far From Home.

 

I think that Feige is going to do a big reveal of the Phase 4 plans in the coming weeks - certainly before FFH comes out.

 

PUMPED for a Doctor Strange sequel, and Shang-Chi has my curiosity piqued. GotG 3 has recently become a LOT more promising, and I really, really want Black Panther 2 to be Wakanda Vs. Atlantis.

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36 minutes ago, gospvg said:

Now that The Infinity Saga is complete or will be with Spider-Man Far From Home.

Will they do another long story arc or go for stand-alone films?

 

I wonder when they will bring in the characters from the Fox deal.

 

My guess is that before finalising a direction for their next saga, they'll spend a while seeing which new heroes and villains become popular.

 

Galactus would be a good choice for a threat on a scale that Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel couldn't immediately solve. But I don't think he'd be the best choice for a multi-film arc; what would they do, have him eat a planet in one film, have the Silver Surfer turning up to warn Earth three films later, then have him arrive on Earth three films after that?

 

Then there's Doctor Doom: the tech genius hero was the central anchor for the MCU so far, maybe a tech/magic genius villain could anchor the next set of films?

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I could see the next set of films that have been announced just being stand alone stories with no real arc just references to events that have happened. So that's 

 

Spider-man FFH (technically phase 3)

Dr. Strange 2

Black Panther 2

Shang-Chi

The Eternals

 

Then GOTG3 being the catalyst for something new. Maybe the cause of the F4 or Mutants.

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I can see The Eternals planting the seeds for the Mutants. I'd really like it to not be shoved in our faces though, and just be a subtle little nod that no-one but the geekiest of comic book fans will pick up. Basically just the same as what they did with the Infinity Gems/Thanos.

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4 minutes ago, gospvg said:

Is it just Spiderman left for this year? Do we have anything announced at the end of the year?

For some reason, I thought GotG3 was coming out sooner.


GotG 3 would have gone in production this year, but then Gunn got fired. So now he'll do Suicide Squad first and then return for GotG3.

So yes, just Spidey this year.

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4 minutes ago, Vemsie said:

GotG 3 would have gone in production this year, but then Gunn got fired. So now he'll do Suicide Squad first and then return for GotG3.

So yes, just Spidey this year.

 

 

I suppose after Endgame probably a good idea to take a breather.

I've not read the comics & before these series of films only really knew Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, X-Men, Hulk, Iron-Man, Thor & Cpt America.

If nothing else the MCU has introduced a lot of new characters to me & looking at Wiki they have 15K!! So I guess they are spoilt for choice!

 

Keep them coming Disney.

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10 minutes ago, McCoy said:

I'm not even sure Marvel wanted Spiderman this year.  They would have been happy with just Endgame but I assume Sony wanted it out this summer. 

 

Yep, Sony seems to be building their own CU with Mobius out next year & probably Venom 2 at some point.

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First film to open to $100m+ - Spiderman 1

First film to open to $150m+ - Spiderman 3

First film to open to $200m+ - Avengers

First film to open to $250m+ - Avengers: Infinity War

First film to open to $300m+ - Avengers: Endgame

First film to open to $350m+ - Avengers: Endgame

 

That's pretty insane. Marvel baybee!

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2 hours ago, mansizerooster said:

and I really, really want Black Panther 2 to be Wakanda Vs. Atlantis.

Not going to happen sadly, the Namor rights are tied up with Universal along with solo Hulk rights, and characters from the Hulk comics - Leader, Abomination, etcetera

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3 hours ago, mansizerooster said:

19. Avengers: Infinity War: This is the most comic book film ever - it has insanely heightened stakes and storyline, makes absolutely no attempt to be self-contained and assumes a foreknowledge of the vast storylines that have come before it. A lot of people would say that these are negatives, but certainly not me. Thanos is just a jaw-dropping achievement, in terms of technology, acting and writing. The film has a very brisk pace indeed, and a lot of moving parts, but never descends into the incoherence of AoU. The CGI and effects are stunning throughout, with a few notable exceptions. Doctor Strange is my personal MVP - his fight sequence with Thanos is perfect. I actually shouted in the cinema when a long-standing, but previously-assumed-to-be-unlikely theory regarding the reappearance of a certain character turned out to be on the money.

This film shows the mass audience what comic book fans have always seen on the page. 10/10

 

@mansizerooster - who is the character you're referring to in the bit I've bolded?

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10 minutes ago, Glasgowchivas said:

 

Yep but we said that about Spider-Man once too...

True. I hope so because with Namor in the MCU they could do a Defenders movie! The original lineup of Hulk, Namor, Silver Surfer, and Dr. Strange - an action comedy about a non-team that hates each other.

 

And Namor could get lucky with Sue Richards.

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

True. I hope so because with Namor in the MCU they could do a Defenders movie! The original lineup of Hulk, Namor, Silver Surfer, and Dr. Strange - an action comedy about a non-team that hates each other.

 

And Namor could get lucky with Sue Richards.

 

 

 

I'm hoping that if/when the FF movie comes out, there is a shot of them walking down the street and passing some hobo with jet black hair and bulges in his trousers around his ankles (and not where he's shat himself).

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