A thread about Bungie

[JPL]

5 hours ago, mushashi said:

 

The original contract with Activision does have a provision, providing Bungie make all the monies, that allows them to work on their self-owned Marathon IP, the more money Destiny makes, the more people they are legally allowed to dedicate to making a new Marathon. And if they manage to printmoney.gif, they even get to make a non-shooter aswell if they so choose at some later date before the contract runs out.

Easy now. @markh & @Mr Ben seem extremely touchy when it comes to others giving Bungle a ribbing. Fancy telling us why you’re feeling the need to neg? I’m struggling to understand, when most people in here seem to be on a bit of a downer towards Destiny 2 at the moment. Which nerve did mushashi and I touch?

 

Come on Ben, you can do better than that. What’s your beef? Surely you miss the good old days of blaming everything on the lag?

 

Speak up lad, or else I’m on a hiding to nothing here.

 

Please just explain why my thinking that Halo is better than Destiny and that I’d like Bungie to concentrate on what they’re the masters of (with a smattering of what they learnt and improved upon with Destiny) is annoying you so much? I’m not saying they should go back to Halo, I’m just hoping they can give us something that picks the best from everything they’ve learnt so far. I honestly don’t think Destiny is it, as good as it is.

 

I’d like to have a discussion about it, not this pathetic stabbing of the red button. Or whatever constitutes it these days.

[metallicfrodo]

You are on a hiding to nothing, this is a thread about Destiny 2, not about whether or not Bungie should make another Halo. If you want to have that discussion, ignoring the fact that Bungie themselves don't even want to make another Halo (they didn't even want to do Reach), then start a new thread, it's pretty bloody simple.

[Yoshimax]

Poor Jon 

 

[JPL]

3 minutes ago, metallicfrodo said:

You are on a hiding to nothing, this is a thread about Destiny 2, not about whether or not Bungie should make another Halo. If you want to have that discussion, ignoring the fact that Bungie themselves don't even want to make another Halo (they didn't even want to do Reach), then start a new thread, it's pretty bloody simple.

If it’s that simple, show me where I’ve said they should make another Halo. I’m trying, and obviously failing, to discuss the developer, not the game. It seems a few people are being a bit too precious though, so I’ll duck out.

[JPL]

7 minutes ago, Yoshimax said:

Poor Jon 

 

Tell me about it. Let’s leave Ben to keep hitting that button which shows how pathetic and lacking in stature he is that he can’t even explain himself. Can I trade all these negs in with Tess by the way?

[Gorf King]

2 minutes ago, JPL said:

Tell me about it. Let’s leave Ben to keep hitting that button which shows how pathetic and lacking in stature he is that he can’t even explain himself. Can I trade all these negs in with Tess by the way?

 

I do think at this point all you're doing is quite blatantly trolling, trying to get a reaction. Even naming individuals you want to draw into an argument, e.g. by calling Ben 'pathetic and lacking in stature'. Maybe best if you don't post any more.

[JPL]

Just now, Gorf King said:

 

I do think at this point all you're doing is quite blatantly trolling, trying to get a reaction. Even naming individuals you want to draw into an argument, e.g. by calling him 'pathetic and lacking in stature'. Maybe best if you don't post any more.

No worries man. Like I said, I was ducking out. Ben decided to continue with his weak response though, so I had to call him out.

 

Apologies if it appears as though I’m trolling, but contextless negs without a backup argument really do my tits in. Such a fucking poor system, but that’s probably best saved for a different topic.

 

Sorry dudes.

[Kryptonian]

Split out to discuss Bungie, what they have done and what they should do next.

[Minion]

My opinion? Leave activision, forget destiny, create a new IP that isn't an MMO.

[Hass]

I love destiny. I think it's just too thin on content still and always has been. They need to put their army to work on content.

[Mr. Gerbik]

Destiny is what it is, and it's a different genre with different aims from an fps like Halo. Mmo's aren't my thing, but having played through the 'campaign' in Destiny 2, I do wish Bungie would make another fps sometime. I don't want them to go back to Halo, that's been done, but I would love a completely new fps from them.

 

Edit: some have said to me that playing through the Destiny 2 campaign is like playing a new Bungie fps campaign. It isn't like that at all really, and it never could be given that the gameplay is governed by varying stats and numbers and online aspects - there's no perfectly balanced and exhilarating combat against interesting enemies like in Halo, and none of the set-pieces (if you can even call the various horde mode moments set-pieces) and level design come anywhere close - but the distinctly Bungie-feel of the controls and the shooting itself felt really good and made me wish for a new, proper, Bungie fps. Either a completely new ip or a new Marathon would be awesome.

[Shimmyhill]

Outside the trolling there is a pretty interesting topic hidden in here....

 

I loved Halo, it’s easily my fave FPS of all time and a recent run through of it was still great fun but the real highlight was playing it co op with a mate, it’s up there with my all time great game experiences and some great memories of playing it. Halo 3 in four player co op was equally as fun (even with @Wickedkitten‘s terribel directions  ) and again some great memories from playing it loads.

 

Destiny, while not the same as Halo in terms of core gameplay, did continue those co op highs with vault of glass probably being the best co op experience I’ve ever had, six people having a great time and some peak Bungie shooting plus so much more - I put crazy hours into Destiny but I would never out it above Halo in my GOAT lists.

 

I also got bored of Halo and bounced off ODST and barely played Reach so was pretty hyped for Destiny even if I had no idea what kind of game it would be, I don’t play MMO or RPG games generally and it took a while to get into it and understand all the systems and while I think ultimately it falls short of being Halo levels of great I very much enjoyed it and was pretty hyped for Destiny 2 right until the beta...

 

I guess my point is that while I also think Halo was better than Destiny I don’t really want a new Halo game and given the direction of Destiny I’m not keen on another one of those, Bungie are not the dev they once were so I don’t know what I want from them anymore!

[JPL]

Sorry about the bollocks that started this last night. A few shandies too many I think.

 

There have been some good replies though, so thanks for that.

[HarryBizzle]

I agree with Shimmyhill’s general sentiment. The player base is not going to be content with a return to the likes of Halo. People seem to enjoy the grind. 

 

When I started playing Destiny 2 and learning more about it I was slightly stunned to learn that lots of players grind three characters up to the level cap - and apparently have fun while doing it. 

 

I don’t quite understand what it is they enjoy about it, but a bog standard single player campaign just isn’t going to bring that crowd back. Titanfall 2 has been lauded for having one of the best SP campaigns in years and it’s broadly regarded as a bit of a sales flop. Even Doom’s sales are unlikely to coax Bungie back to that model. 

[Harsin]

Titanfall flopping has more to do with EA being idiots than changing game tastes I'd argue.

[JPL]

17 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

I agree with Shimmyhill’s general sentiment. The player base is not going to be content with a return to the likes of Halo. People seem to enjoy the grind. 

 

When I started playing Destiny 2 and learning more about it I was slightly stunned to learn that lots of players grind three characters up to the level cap - and apparently have fun while doing it. 

 

I don’t quite understand what it is they enjoy about it, but a bog standard single player campaign just isn’t going to bring that crowd back. Titanfall 2 has been lauded for having one of the best SP campaigns in years and it’s broadly regarded as a bit of a sales flop. 

This is true. They’ve absolutely gone for a different audience, while hoping to bring along their original fan base. It might have worked for some, but I don’t think it has for the majority.

 

It certainly hasn’t for me, and I think that’s why I’d rather they move into something else now.

[Stanley]

10 hours ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

Destiny is what it is, and it's a different genre with different aims from an fps like Halo. Mmo's aren't my thing, but having played through the 'campaign' in Destiny 2, I do wish Bungie would make another fps sometime. I don't want them to go back to Halo, that's been done, but I would love a completely new fps from them.

 

Edit: some have said to me that playing through the Destiny 2 campaign is like playing a new Bungie fps campaign. It isn't like that at all really, and it never could be given that the gameplay is governed by varying stats and numbers and online aspects - there's no perfectly balanced and exhilarating combat against interesting enemies like in Halo, and none of the set-pieces (if you can even call the various horde mode moments set-pieces) and level design come anywhere close - but the distinctly Bungie-feel of the controls and the shooting itself felt really good and made me wish for a new, proper, Bungie fps. Either a completely new ip or a new Marathon would be awesome.

This is how I feel. The shooting in Destiny is great I just don't enjoy anything else about it. I love all Bungie's Halo games even Halo 2, and would love it if they did another classic FPS. 

[Gorf King]

I find there are generally two types of people: those who loved the endgame of Destiny 1, and those who’ve never played it.  

 

(Many of the latter seem to love Destiny 2, though.)

[Mystacon]

The thing is, it’s easy to talk about Bungie dropping the ball with Destiny just because of the lay of the land right now, but the truth is, Destiny has been an enormous success for them (hasn’t it?).

 

I think it’s more likely their future endeavours will be focussed on giving the core players what they want but at the same time pushing the Eververse stuff more and more. I get the feeling they’ve got the message loud and clear recently, it may take a while to get back on track, but they’re still in it for the long haul, imo.

[JPL]

2 hours ago, Captain LeChuck said:

Oi! That's my excuse! Get your own. 

 

 

I’m sticking to it, who’s ever it is!

[mushashi]

10 hours ago, Minion said:

My opinion? Leave activision, forget destiny, create a new IP that isn't an MMO.

 

Unless the contract drastically changed (outside of the rather obvious fact that Bungie aren't being held to the 2 year time schedule for delivery of each game, considering they missed the deadline for the first two already by a year each time), then short of them going bankrupt, they will be making Destiny upto the point they either breach some clause or fulfill their end of the deal. Activision have taken all the financial risk on this project so no wonder they made sure their contract was pretty watertight. It's in Bungie's own financial interest to make sure Destiny makes as much money as possible as the more it makes, the more they get to keep of the profits.

 

Some people would clearly prefer a normal shooter again from them, but outside of Marathon (assuming they are actually actively developing that), they decided to go down the service game route, years before it was even a popular thing on consoles. They could have as easily gone and made a bunch of smaller games for various publishers as a developer with their track record and commercial success would have had no problem getting a reasonable deal, they just chose to go for the blockbuster. The pre-release material was fairly clear on how big they thought it could be:

 

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"Destiny aspires to be defined not just as a ground-breaking video game, but as an epic entertainment property," reads the leaked images sent to Kotaku and IGN. "The ambition is to create a universe as deep, tangible and relatable as that of the Star Wars franchise."

 

With that sort of sales pitch, no wonder Activision were willing to give them all the money they needed to make it happen and let them keep the rights and creative control.
 

[Dave White]

I play Halo CE once a year because  its still brilliant.

[Mr. Gerbik]

5 minutes ago, Dave White said:

I play Halo CE once a year because  its still brilliant.

Same here. Only a select few games remain as exhilaratingly playable and replayable for such a long time. 

[Petrousgyre]

7 hours ago, Harsin said:

Titanfall flopping has more to do with EA being idiots than changing game tastes I'd argue.

 

I’d argue Titanfall flopping has more to do with its central idea of switching scale from regular to huge just doesn’t work well, it's just not fun. It’s a shame as I loved IW's previous work, all I want them to do is make a spiritual successor to MW/MW2. 

[Nespresso]

 

Clickbaitey thumbnail but relevant to the Bungie disussion. 

[Yoshimax]

https://kotaku.com/destiny-2s-lack-of-cross-play-is-tearing-us-apart-1821086170

 

Few people here playing PC and one or other console - opinions? Is 60fps more important than playing with friends? 

[Nespresso]

I'd rather have a fun experience alone than a bad one with friends. 

[Harsin]

Crossplay would be nice, but of the litany of problems Destiny 2 has right now, I'd argue lack of cross play is way down the list. At the moment I'm more concerned with a lack of meaningful rewards, an endgame that's built on lootboxes that you can also buy with microtransactions, locking people out of parts of the game only a few weeks after they paid for it, treacle slow QoL updates and a lack of QA testing. Another issue is the lack of character progression between consoles/PC. If you buy Destiny in another platform you should be able to bring your character with you. It’s dumb, if you have Netflix or Amazon your watch list and and preferences don’t reset between devices. Games should be the same way.

[instasis]

Bungie and Epic (Destiny 2 and Fortnite) are like some kind of case study in project management methodologies at the moment.

 

Bungie clearly work to waterfalls (with, maybe, an iterative development cycle). They locked their entire business model down, including all the DLC, so just seem completely unable to respond to user feedback at all. Ever. You want a change to the weapon system? Nah. How about new game modes? Soz. 

 

Epic are running agile, and every couple of weeks they rock up with some crazy new shit they're adding into the not long launched MVP based on customer feedback. Here's a new gametype! And another one! Oh and here's some new toys. We saw you riding rockets in game and that's totally fucking cool, we'll bake that in.

 

It's quite staggering. 

[Dimahoo]

All they had to do with the Arse-iris DLC was one thing.

 

Do space battles. That was it. Battles above all the planets with an MP component and the in game ships that are next to useless in any other state.

 

The've got all the assets for that. They just had to make "some space".