Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom - 2018

[Treble]

11 hours ago, Smitty said:

 

 

Thanks for these posts guys, I find this topic very interesting as i'm constantly finding that modern big budget films are shot and edited like shit.

 

Treble, that line about not being able to hold shots for very long - what a great observation. You've managed to put into words something that's been knocking around my head for a while. That makes perfect sense and explains the choppiness of so many shots in modern blockbusters. Either its incredibly expensive for every second that the CGI is on screen OR you're trying to hide that your CGI isn't great. Both scenarios encourage keeping your shots as short as possible.

 

I can't remember what I was watching but just recently I had was watching something which suffered from that, and I remember thinking 'fuck me these shots are so quick you can't tell what the fuck is going on'.

 

I was thinking that another element in all of this is the easy placement of cameras anywhere in a scene because they're not real cameras (virtual or digital cameras), right? Nowadays blockbusters tend to have the camera flying around all around the place doing all sorts of bullshit because...well..because they can be made to do that now.

 

Cheers. There's a huge rabbit hole of discussion about how visual FX are changing. Thankfully, I'd say mostly for the better. I'll actually make a new topic on it, as it's pretty interesting (and it'll prevent me derailing this thread )

[Purin]

That 'bull' dinosaur throwing people into the air at the auction four or five times. Laughed my head off each time it happened.

[Guest]

Pachycephalosaurus

[Mr Cochese]

How many times do people say “pachy” in this one?

[Guest]

Zero

[kerraig UK]

I really liked it when the female lead was trapped in a plastic sphere that was sinking in the ocean and she told the audience "we need to get out".

The language of film is feeding idiocy. 

[Parappa]

Watched this again last night in 3D and thankfully there is no in your face 3D bits that so many films try to do.  It just add's some depth to the scenes and the Dinosaurs really pop out in places.

 

I took a mate with me who had not seen it and he spent a lot of the time laughing in amazement at some of the scenes but loved it and after watching it a second time I still thought it was great although the middle did drag a little.  Roll on the next one!

[Treble]

Just back from it. This actually caused a nark between me and Mrs. Treb. When she likes something I think is tutt, and she asks my opinion, I say, "It was OK, yeah!" by which I mean "that was on the underside of average, but I'll be kind". 

 

This was so bad - so awfully bad - I actually said what I thought. Now she's annoyed because our opinions don't match and she feels stupid, and I'm in a huff because I wasted 2 hours of my life watching a garbage fire. Harrumph. 

[Paulando]

What the fuck did I just watch 

 

Utterly dreadful from beginning to end. I get that it was silly and ridiculous, but it was just so boring with it. The script was humour-free, and not one character was likeable, which made me care even less about what was going on. Genuinely wanted them to get eaten at the end. It looked rubbish - everything looked fake (what is it with blockbusters these days?) - and I’m sure I’ve seen the final battle in a Tim Burton film before. Never again.

 

EDIT: Can someone please stop Colin Trevorrow and his mate from writing/making films please? They made one half-decent indie film a few years ago and nothing good since. Can’t even begin to imagine what Episode IX would have been like.

[macosx]

I watched the original JP this week; what a masterpiece. The T. rex attack is still stunning  as is the restrained way the dinos are introduced, with the no show tour through the park. 

[Paulando]

20 minutes ago, macosx said:

I watched the original JP this week; what a masterpiece. The T. rex attack is still stunning  as is the restrained way the dinos are introduced, with the no show tour through the park. 

 

My favourite thing about the original is that you do not see the raptor at all until it bursts through the pipes behind Laura Dern when you’re least expecting it. You see bits of it - a flash of an eye, the infamous claw, you hear about how it hunts it’s prey, and listen to them eating a cow. The build up to that moment is masterful.

[Treble]

Jaws taught Spielberg a huge lesson about hiding and revealing credulity-stretching critters. 

 

A lesson his Jurassic alums have been furiously un-learning ever since. 

[Alask]

Kids wanted to see this, so I've been. I was surprised by how dull it was, just a really really thin plot. But then not even all that much action. It's 128 minutes long, when it wants to be about 28 minutes. I think there was 3 locations in total.. possibly the worst movie I've seen this year?

 

[skittles]

I loved it so much I started an applause at the end of the movie, the cinema followed.

 

It was just a super fun movie with loads of dinosaurs in it. The suspense in some sections killed me, i had to squint and put my fingers in my ears.

 

If you didn't think this was a fun movie then you're slightly dead inside imo.

[Mr Cochese]

Fuck, this is bad. A few good unintentional laughs, but just so so boring and shit.

[Treble]

No, no, no. Did you not read Hellcock's post?! It's brilliant and we're wrong/shambling corpses!

[Steely]

I enjoyed this.

 

Its still feels like such a massive waste of budget because of what it could be, it just gets so many things wrong. If you compare everything in this movie to Jurassic Park one, its utter garbage, the complete lack of tension, the lack of scale, the piss poor plot.

 

Even though it was shite, I still enjoyed it.  (Because Dinosaurs.)

[Mr Cochese]

At the end I really wanted (not sure it's possible to "spoil" the film, but just in case)

Spoiler

Blue to go and live with Starlord in his new house. "I realise now I was never building my cabin - I was building our cabin."

 

I guess in the final shot, Blue was about to head down into that housing estate and chow on the Spielberg-esque nuclear families there.

 

[BitterToad]

My big thing with it is still that it's a (potentially slightly purposefully) big load of shite that I absolutely loved. I said it in a previous post but Jurassic Park was essentially perfect, it'll never be beaten. I'd rather have a big load of silly shit on screen than people trying and failing to recapture the magic of JP.

 

I do get people having a hostile reaction to it, though. Kong last year just totally put me off from beginning to end. I found it a load of boring nonsense and didn't believe any of it. And yet you could level a lot of the positives I threw at JW2 at Kong and I'd find it difficult to argue. 

 

Basically, shit films can be good but sometimes are shit. Step down Kermode, Toad's here for your job. 

[Paulando]

52 minutes ago, Mr Cochese said:

Fuck, this is bad. A few good unintentional laughs, but just so so boring and shit.

 

Yeah, its worst crime is it’s fucking boring.

 

Don’t mind silly and ridiculous at all. I enjoy plenty of silly films. But give me to some characters to like, give me something to care about while I’m having fun.

[Mr Cochese]

I sort-of promised myself I wouldn't do this, as the film is so stupid it defies stupidity, but after the bit from the trailer where the hamster ball and all the stampeding dinosaurs fall off the cliff into the sea, 

Spoiler

and they swim up to the surface, in a patch of sea that is magically clear of deadly, choking, searing hot fumes, they wind up on a beach just around the corner that is fortuitously clear of both lava flow and panicked dinosaurs. (Also, is Chris Pratt's character only present as a force ghost after his body gets incinerated in the pyroclastic flow?)

Are we sure Lindelof didn't redraft the script at some point?

[DarhkFox]

a friend keeps asking to go see it, i mean i thought the first film was OK but very silly. I want to see the sequel but i might just wait for the moment, especially as opinions seem very mixed on it.

[Treble]

If this helps I thought JW was average. Some ok characters, some ok scenes, but generally meh. 

 

I think the sequel's well rough. The old characters aren't given any more depth, the new ones are awful (miscast and underwritten) and the tone veers from schmaltz to nasty violence to broad comedy. Dumb as a bag of spanners.

[DarhkFox]

32 minutes ago, Treble said:

If this helps I thought JW was average. Some ok characters, some ok scenes, but generally meh. 

 

I think the sequel's well rough. The old characters aren't given any more depth, the new ones are awful (miscast and underwritten) and the tone veers from schmaltz to nasty violence to broad comedy. Dumb as a bag of spanners.

 

 

Might just try and hold off till it's out on blu ray / stream then.

[George Clooney]

On 11/06/2018 at 02:23, Smitty said:

 

 

Thanks for these posts guys, I find this topic very interesting as i'm constantly finding that modern big budget films are shot and edited like shit.

 

Treble, that line about not being able to hold shots for very long - what a great observation. You've managed to put into words something that's been knocking around my head for a while. That makes perfect sense and explains the choppiness of so many shots in modern blockbusters. Either its incredibly expensive for every second that the CGI is on screen OR you're trying to hide that your CGI isn't great. Both scenarios encourage keeping your shots as short as possible.

 

I can't remember what I was watching but just recently I had was watching something which suffered from that, and I remember thinking 'fuck me these shots are so quick you can't tell what the fuck is going on'.

 

I was thinking that another element in all of this is the easy placement of cameras anywhere in a scene because they're not real cameras (virtual or digital cameras), right? Nowadays blockbusters tend to have the camera flying around all around the place doing all sorts of bullshit because...well..because they can be made to do that now.

 

Just to touch on this, but some modern blockbusters also edit more to try and create feeling or give an impression of something via the edit, rather than shoot for clarity.  The most obvious example is Batman begins, where Nolan edited certain fight scenes to be really confusing purposefully to try and convey the fear and confusion the bad guys would have felt fighting Batman.  It didn’t really work though, most people just didn’t like those scenes, so in later movies he shot them much clearer.  A better example, and one that works IMO is the fight between Cap and Bucky about 2 thirds into The Winter Soldier.  If you watch the behind the scenes footage, you’ll see that Evans and Stan really can do that sequence with the knife, in one take and it looks really cool.  They could have filmed it from a fixed shot, in one take and it would have looked great, but they made the choice to edit it so it’s less clear and slightly more choppy, but the tempo of the edit builds till we get the reveal at the end of the fight.  Not sure if I explained that very well, it’s one of those things that makes sense in my head, but putting it into words is harder.

 

Also, coming back from seeing this, I thought it was pretty well shot.  Theres nothing in there that’s as good as the grass shots from 2, but there’s several I thought were well done, and the editing didn’t cut all the time to hide things.  Mentioning the floating camera, there was one shot using that which I actually really liked on the outside of a building, but given that they didn’t zoom in through a window, I actually wondered if they had a rig set up and did it properly.

 

That said, it’s a stupid movie.  A fun movie with some bits that dragged, but utterly stupid.

[Alan Stock]

I had the great pleasure of watching this film at basically a SMELLOVISION FLIGHT SIMULATOR screening complete with wind fans, water splashes and moving seats! The proper name is "4DX  3D" at Cineworld (only some cinemas have these screens).

 

You've probably heard of these kind of simulator-type experiences at theme parks, it's very similar. Your seat can rumble and punch you in the back. The whole seat row can tilt in all directions. Fans on the side of the cinema blast out air to simulate wind (it's pretty cold!). Seat mounted water nozzles spray on you at appropriate times (although mine only did it once, maybe it was busted). There is smellovision with scents being wafted to you (it was shit in this film, the only one was a terrible pine smell for a forest, which smelled like cheap deodorant). There are huge floodlights which are used sparingly to illuminate the whole cinema (used at times like when a beam of light hits the screen in the film) You watch with 3D specs. And finally you have a little air nozzle that punches air blasts into your neck, which scares the shit out of you when it first happens.

 

And this film is the perfect match for this kind of experience. In the opening sequences of the storm, the fans are blasting, you're getting sprayed, the dino's are making everything shake, the seats are moving all around to match the action. It's very distracting at first but really adds a lot to the action. After a while you get kinda used to it and you get immersed in the film. It's very much like rumble on your controller. You don't really acknowledge it after a while but it adds a whole extra level of immersion.

 

The dino action scenes were the best, with the seat shakes, air blasts and stuff genuinely making it better.

 

As for the film - it's a very silly popcorn movie with lots of cheese, plenty of laughs and a terrible plot. Objectively, it's pretty shit, but entertaining nonetheless. But if you get the chance, see it on a screen like this and you get a lot more out of it. Jurassic Park as a franchise is truly in the gutter now, but I have to admit it's still a good laugh if you turn off your brain and just embrace the dinos on a rampage.  

[Mr Cochese]

Did this actually happen or was it some horrible Edgar Allen Poe fever dream I suffered?

[Hanzo the Razor]

On 05/07/2018 at 15:11, Alan Stock said:

There is smellovision with scents being wafted to you (it was shit in this film)

 

I would love to see the "That's one big pile of shit" scene in Jurassic Park with that turned on.

[Smitty]

Had a quick scan earlier - looks like a CGI nightmare.

[Smitty]

The dinosaurs look like shit in this. The effects. Do directors just not care anymore? Doesn't anyone understand the limits of CGI?