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The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

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JoeK

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Just now, Festoon said:

 

Yes, and where they are becomes you-know-where in the future.

 

Well, it all seems a bit silly and it's another black mark in my 'Big Boys Book of Moaning'. 

 

Although, I did notice the horses looked they'd all been set on fast-forward in their charging, so there we go.

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Well, as entertaining as the show may well be, it feels like it's been made by folks who absolutely loved the films, but kind of skimmed through a few pages of the books - especially the appendices.

 

I guess that's fine, but it feels desperately shallow. But, I guess that's where the Tolkien estate comes in and poo-poos everything even remotely cool to do with the thing.

 

I'm going to assume we'll never get to see armies of balrogs and dragons by the score :P

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14 minutes ago, DualSense said:


By this age aren’t they all pretty much dead in any sort of numbers.  

 

Yeah, that's why I'm upset. I was all hoping for a full on 1st age tale with Morgoth. I think that would have been absolutely fantastic...although I doubt there'd have been a budget big enough for it, despite Jeff's billions.

 

The second age is all well and good, but Sauron's a second-rate bad guy compared to old Morgs. 

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So that was Mount Doom, and the beginnings of Mordor. I wondered if that was the case, but I'm still struggling a little with geography and timescales (I thought they were pulling a fast one with the Numenor army charging along, and we'd find out that was a time skip as they arrived at the village to find everyone dead). I got a little tingly watching Isildur charge into battle, it was as if there was finally a connecting thread to something I knew for sure and the show suddenly felt... real?

 

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Halbrand IS Sauron. It makes perfect sense that the king promised to the descendants of baddie humans who fought for Morgoth is also a baddie. Uruk Elfork betrayed and murdered him but doesn’t know it’s him and just wants a home for his children. The volcano is to blacken the sky so his orks can go out and play during the day.

 

did Morgoth twist the elves and then make them bang to breed orks?

 

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47 minutes ago, Girth Certificate said:

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did Morgoth twist the elves and then make them bang to breed orks?

 

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Iirc it's never expressly said, but it's implied to the extent its taken as true, that the orcs are corrupted elves taken by Morgoth and tortured to turn them into twisted forms 

 

The uruk-hai, which feature heavily in the Lord of the Rings, are 'perfected' orcs, crossbred with 'wild men' from hill tribes and the like, to be bigger, stronger and most importantly, not affected by sunlight.

 

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13 hours ago, JoeK said:

 

Yeah, that's why I'm upset. I was all hoping for a full on 1st age tale with Morgoth. I think that would have been absolutely fantastic...although I doubt there'd have been a budget big enough for it, despite Jeff's billions.

 

The second age is all well and good, but Sauron's a second-rate bad guy compared to old Morgs. 

 

They don't have the rights to a lot of the stuff so just can't do it. I listened to an interview with the show runner and he said they've had to condense a lot of events close together because of rights issues and also because they didn't want to be changing cast members all the time as only the Elves would live long enough to be a constant.

 

I'm good with it because they're still making amazing TV from what they can use. This weeks episode was spectacular.

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6 minutes ago, scottcr said:

Another thing… the fight choreography and camera work was excellent. No fast cut and shaky cam. You could see everything that was going on… and the horse riding was immense 

 

Yes, that Galadriel move. Amazing.

 

Arondir big fight great too.

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22 hours ago, JoeK said:

 

Yeah, that's why I'm upset. I was all hoping for a full on 1st age tale with Morgoth. I think that would have been absolutely fantastic...although I doubt there'd have been a budget big enough for it, despite Jeff's billions.

 

The second age is all well and good, but Sauron's a second-rate bad guy compared to old Morgs. 

 

Nah, First Age works better as myths and legends.

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Until the Tolkien estate get its huge ego out of its arse, you're not going to get any of that I'm afraid. 

Six multi award winning movies that single handely brought the world alive for a new generation, wasn't enough for them. And I suspect this won't be either. 

 

The po faced elitist bastards 

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17 minutes ago, Festoon said:

 

Nah, it just doesn't work. It's all written distantly. Any adaptation would be effectively made up too.

 

I think you could make it work by presenting it specifically as myths told by folks in the third age. If you have to, rope in the hobbits telling stories to young ones about the old days. I could think of a myriad of ways to make it work pretty damn well.

 

However, I have not yet had any letters informing me that they're drafting me in, so there we go.

 

All I do know is, is that I'm very, very tired of this version of Middle Earth (as in: it all looks like an extension of Peter Jackson's vision), and I long for something radically different.

 

But there we go, you're right - it ain't gonna happen, ever. Not in my life-time that's for sure. 

 

Edit: Upon reflection, I've decided I want it to all be done like the old Henson series 'The Storyteller' (you know, the one with John Hurt in). A muppet balrog would be pretty sweet. 

 

Yes, I have a thing about Balrogs. I have a thing about 'em. I think an age where these things are officers in one huge fuck-off army of cosmic darkness really tickled me when I was young!

 

...

 

Now I want a 'Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared' edition of Lord of the Rings...

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