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52 minutes ago, Junker said:

I got obsessed with Getting in the 2:03 club at Bathurst

 

Me too - I got it down to a 2:04.123 in the end before I started missing my braking points through tiredness...  Optimum said 2:03.3, which is faintly annoying!  (Though I'm not completely convinced I trust it - at one point it was telling me my optimum time was a tenth slower than my PB, which I'd just set in that session... :blink:)

 

@marsh that was on a pad?!  This was a particular bogey track of mine on the pad since it's so difficult to do anything other than all or nothing braking.

 

I had some amazing races at Bathurst though.  The chicane at the bottom of Conrod Straight is excellent - you can make moves stick on the inside and the outside with a decent opponent - I had a particularly memorable tussle against a Mustang where we were side by side through the kink and the first bit of the chicane, and I just managed to hold the line through the exit of the chicane to take the place - proper heart pounding stuff.

 

Actually, this race photo was from that encounter - flat out side-by-side into the kink :wub:

 

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57 minutes ago, Varnsen said:

You do your time on a pad tho? Cos that’s an insane time on a pad imo

 

Oh yes, I could crush bricks in my hand the way I grip a pad at the moment. I'm not really complaining, the standard is stupidly high on here right now, and that in turn means that you have to raise your game. The past 4 weeks have seen me in the top 2% by region with my times so what's not to like? :)

 

I'll get the wheel setup at some point, but the pedals on the t150 are guff, devoid of feel, and I'll bag me an upgrade in the future.

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Bathurst is definitely one that rewards experience.  I was getting quicker, but finding it frustrating, my Opt was only a 2.07 so still a fair bit off.  I decided to do the single player campaign Endurance at Bathurst to learn instead.  I think it's 25 laps, by the end of it, I was still finding new lines and improving times.  

I came out of it actually quite enjoying it as a time trial circuit, but couldn't master the last corner before the massive straight, which was annoying and did 0 online races as usual!

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Online racing tonight at 8PM UK time again, as per usual :) We'll do some open racing again with all forumites and friends.

 

The KTM X-Bow R around Dragon Trail Gardens to start with, then some 'good old' Mazda Roadster Touring Car racing and more Gr. 4 and/or Gr. 3 goodness to top things off - around tracks selected by the people racing tonight.

 

See you then!

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4 hours ago, marsh said:

 

Oh yes, I could crush bricks in my hand the way I grip a pad at the moment. I'm not really complaining, the standard is stupidly high on here right now, and that in turn means that you have to raise your game. The past 4 weeks have seen me in the top 2% by region with my times so what's not to like? :)

 

I'll get the wheel setup at some point, but the pedals on the t150 are guff, devoid of feel, and I'll bag me an upgrade in the future.

Like @morcssays, I would guess most low/mid range pedals are a bit lifeless. After my conical brake mod died of death I’ve been using t150 and standard pedals. They are the T3pa pedals but I doubt they are really much better than the 2 pedal ones. I watched a Tidgney stream of him in top 16 superstars FIA Nations cup and he said he doesn’t use a loadcell or brake mod, and reckons he can get to 100% braking quicker without it.
I guess if you need a more realistic brake pedal feel you need a mod, but they’re not essential to go fast.

Personally I think the mod helped me be more consistent but not necessarily quicker. That is my pre-baked excuse for when I punt someone and I’m sticking to it!

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The brakes are weird, I find that I go to full pressure immediately and then rely on muscle memory as I ease off rather than any kind of feeling. I think braking is what I’ve improved the most since playing GT a lot; probably 95% of time has been found in how to balance the car through a corner coming off the brakes. 

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I’ve been using the OSD to practice different levels of braking, off to full, off to half, off to quarter.

 I don’t think I could manage with ABS turned off though.


I’d quite like to know more about load cell and whether they’d make much difference with GT Sport.

On the one hand, something stronger than a foam triangle would be good, but the lack of feedback, I’m not so sure.


IRL, I’m used to a fairly heavy pedal with lots of feel - no ABS, no servo which feels amazing compared to the normal ABS big servo combo of most modern cars.

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27 minutes ago, GwiDan said:

The brakes are weird, I find that I go to full pressure immediately and then rely on muscle memory as I ease off rather than any kind of feeling. I think braking is what I’ve improved the most since playing GT a lot; probably 95% of time has been found in how to balance the car through a corner coming off the brakes. 

yes and in GT Sport getting on the power as early as possible in a corner is the next step. That's only really doable if you're trailbraking and loading up the car with grip. 

 

Basically slow in, fast out. 

 

Wish I had better pedals though. 

 

And a better wheel. 

 

 

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I just don’t think better pedals will help that much, you still can’t feel when the wheels are locking like you would in a real car, you have to rely on sound and wheel feedback which you just can’t react fast enough to.

 

Yeah a stiffer brake pedal might feel more realistic but I think once you’re used to a sponge one you’ll be just as fast?

 

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Thanks to @McSpeedfor the usual hosting skills last night. Full lobby of racers and great racing. I did better than usual and actually managed to hang on for a win in the last race. Got to admit I was buzzing after that. Penelope  Pitstop helmet was just a joke for the X-Bow race but I might keep it now

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I started of quite tired last night as was going to bail after the first race as I was feeling the same. I'm glad I stayed tho the final race was excellent the mid field was nice and tight with decent clean racing (for the most part anyway)

 

Thanks Joe

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Great racing again, thanks for organising.

 

I need to work on my observations, I threw it off the track twice when driving in my mirrors / trying to give space to folk overtaking.

 

Apologies to the person faster than me around Brands during qualifying, I could see you were catching, and I knew it was the end of the session but I was improving on my best time - ended up 1.2 sec on my previous best though!

 

Race 3 was a lonely fest for me as I spun near the start and dropped back further as I leapt out of the throttle and basically stopped a couple of times to let lagging rockets fly by :D

 

I do feel my consistency improving though, really enjoying the journey.

 

 

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On 30/06/2020 at 08:59, beenabadbunny said:

Yeah thanks everyone for last night.

 

I had no consistency at all and I feel a bit bad for tying up a lobby place while @mexos was waiting outside! Seventeen is the WORST number of players we could have.

 

Not at all, you more than deserve a place! No point in splitting the lobby for 1 person. I did have a place at the start but I'd forgotten to get the car. Went to buy it, came back and....oh. No worries. It all worked out. I've been making a chest of drawers from scratch and I used the time to fix a problem with the runners that had been driving me crazy. Don't try making your own furniture!

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I can't really drive anything with a loose rear end*.

 

I think I have an OK understanding of racing lines, and I try to do slow in, fast out. But I seem to either lose time from slowing too much on the way in, or I get on the power too hard/early on the way out. When that happens I with TC off, I light up the rear tyres and spin. If TC is on (as it usually is) then it kicks in and I lose the push out of the corner.

 

I'm (relatively) much better in aero cars. I still don't enjoy understeer but I understand that it's part of the compromise you make if you want a planted rear. I'm getting better at coping with it but again, I think I lose a lot of time on the way into low-speed corners. It might be because, afraid of pushing too hard, I tend to be overcautious and slow down more than I actually need to.

 

I'm happy enough with the fact that I'll never be at the very front but I want to get involved in some of these brilliant midfield battles! :D

 

 

*Oo-er.

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5 minutes ago, beenabadbunny said:

I can't really drive anything with a loose rear end*.

 

Have you tried a good long session with TC off? I think if you keep TC on you won't learn to love the oversteer :) Gotta take the stabilisers off!

 

What about cars that oversteer on the brakes? The Gr4 Cayman is like that, it's loose on the brakes then quite planted/a little understeery on the throttle, which is quite fun for sending it into corners and booting it out.

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7 minutes ago, beenabadbunny said:

I can't really drive anything with a loose rear end*.

 

I think I have an OK understanding of racing lines, and I try to do slow in, fast out. But I seem to either lose time from slowing too much on the way in, or I get on the power too hard/early on the way out. When that happens I with TC off, I light up the rear tyres and spin. If TC is on (as it usually is) then it kicks in and I lose the push out of the corner.

 

I'm (relatively) much better in aero cars. I still don't enjoy understeer but I understand that it's part of the compromise you make if you want a planted rear. I'm getting better at coping with it but again, I think I lose a lot of time on the way into low-speed corners. It might be because, afraid of pushing too hard, I tend to be overcautious and slow down more than I actually need to.

 

I'm happy enough with the fact that I'll never be at the very front but I want to get involved in some of these brilliant midfield battles! :D

 

 

*Oo-er.

 

 

I'd suggest learning to drive the Mazda touring car with no TC. It's forgivable enough as it has some downforce - I am the same, I can't drive loose rear end cars but I am getting better

 

The back end on the Mazda WILL step out if you abuse it but it will teach you the 'rules'. Because of this i can now drive the GR2 with no TC. No way I could do that 3 months ago.

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All good advice I think @beenabadbunny, you just need to practice lots and commit to leaving all assists except abs off. I went through the same thing when I got my wheel, I used to do pirouettes round Brands in gr3 and even 4 and it got me really mad until I got my head round it. 
 Mazda touring car is a good shout then maybe  pick a short track like Tsukuba so you’ve only got a few corners to worry about and you can drill it over and over.

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@beenabadbunny Being a relative newcomer I have similar feelings when we're in a full lobby - surely I should make way for one of the old faces...  so you're not alone - we just need to lobby for bigger lobbies...  or mount a massive recruitment campaign so we have 30-35 regular racers :)

 

After Monday night I spent ages in the X-Bow at Brands Hatch Indy trying to get a handle on its oversteer.  I find with the wheel I can correct small mistakes before they happen but any big oversteer moments usually result in some manic fishtailing followed by a spin ("straight to the scene of the accident" as they say).  I guess this is where the game used to help me out when I was on the pad.  I ended up doing lap after lap at Brands, trying to keep it tidy but not backing out of oversteer when it happened, especially at the exit of Clark Curve onto the pit straight.  In my case, I think I was trying to be too restrained with the opposite lock.  It's like you need to let the front wheels find their natural angle (which is always greater than I expect), but then use some muscle to keep it there to prevent the fishtailing.

 

That's when stuff like this starts to happen :)

 

(I know it's not quick, but it looks cool and feels great!)

 

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3 hours ago, fretnoise said:

After Monday night I spent ages in the X-Bow at Brands Hatch Indy trying to get a handle on its oversteer.  I find with the wheel I can correct small mistakes before they happen but any big oversteer moments usually result in some manic fishtailing followed by a spin ("straight to the scene of the accident" as they say).  I guess this is where the game used to help me out when I was on the pad.  I ended up doing lap after lap at Brands, trying to keep it tidy but not backing out of oversteer when it happened, especially at the exit of Clark Curve onto the pit straight.  In my case, I think I was trying to be too restrained with the opposite lock.  It's like you need to let the front wheels find their natural angle (which is always greater than I expect), but then use some muscle to keep it there to prevent the fishtailing.

 

That's when stuff like this starts to happen :)

 

(I know it's not quick, but it looks cool and feels great!)

 

I really feel you, handling oversteer and drifting in GT Sport only clicked for me after well over a year of frequent play. I used to run TC on pretty much every RWD car as any attempt at doing otherwise would result in spins sooner or later. It was frustrating, especially as I loved catching the rear end in DiRT Rally.

 

But I remember distinctly, upon returning home after some sim lessons at Rudy van Buren's (lucky to call him a friend), I fired this up and drove a TVR with TC off around Tsukuba. Suddenly, it all felt right and I could use the right input to do this:

 

 

I guess the secret is to really be gentle on your movements. Hard on the throttle, feeding the throttle (don't just stomp on it!) Once you've done it enough, it really becomes second nature :)

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I have another suggestion on top of the above based on a race I did for the first time last night.

 

In the single player campaign, the 911 GT3 endurance race series at Suzuka. Turn off TC.  Suzuka is an incredible circuit, very rewarding, and challenging. The 911 wants to slide all the time, it even pops the back end out on downshifts, but it does it in a lovely and predictable way.  It rides the kerbs ok too, not instantly spinning like some cars.
Suzuka emphasises it with all the weight transfer through the S curves and the hairpin wants to spin you around every lap. The Degner curves make you feel like a driving god when you get it right too.


Watch replays for the top laps on qualifying / time trial and concentrate on copying bits of it. Watch braking points, lines, look for trail braking.  
 

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