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36 minutes ago, Butters said:

It's going to be interesting to see whether it was the right choice by McInnes. Sunderland are in a mess, of that there is no doubt. 

 

At Aberdeen he is revered, but the side which has given him success is starting to break up. Speaking to an Aberdeen supporting mate, he was saying that while the core of the team is great, none of the additional signings McInnes has made had had the same impact. Could be an interesting rebuilding job.

 

Not suggesting he won't make a success of it, just feels like a crossroads for him and Aberdeen, and what comes next should be interesting either way. They either continue the success and start to challenge more like the Aberdeen teams I remember from the 90s and early 90s, or they struggle to recapture what they've had for the last few seasons.

Aberdeen started the season really well, then lost 5 or 6, mayber more in a row, and  that was it over really.

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BBC:

 

"Well, that was an absolute farce of a draw. The draw for the first round of the League Cup has taken place in Bangkok, Thailand with a live stream on the sponsor's Facebook page.



That was the plan, but the feed had no sound, stalled on other people's computers and an error with the graphics caused confusion.

Charlton Athletic appeared twice on the graphic, firstly playing Exeter away and then Cheltenham at home. The correct match is Exeter v Charlton.

There was another problem with the graphic as it said AFC Wimbledon were playing Swindon, a draw that is not possible because both sides are unseeded. AFC Wimbledon are actually at home to Brentford with Norwich City at home to Swindon.

So here is the full League Cup first round draw.

South section

Birmingham v Crawley, Exeter v Charlton, QPR v Northampton, Newport v Southend, Bristol City v Plymouth, Cardiff v Portsmouth, Millwall v Stevenage, Oxford United v Cheltenham, AFC Wimbledon v Brentford, Norwich v Swindon, Bristol Rovers v Cambridge, Peterborough v Barnet, Wycombe v Fulham, Colchester v Aston Villa, Wolves v Yeovil, Reading v Gillingham, Forest Green v MK Dons, Luton v Ipswich.

North section

Coventry v Blackburn, Nottingham Forest v Shrewsbury, Bradford v Doncaster, Mansfield v Rochdale, Grimsby v Derby, Barnsley v Morecambe, Crewe v Bolton, Oldham v Burton, Wigan v Blackpool, Bury v Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday v Chesterfield, Accrington v Preston, Fleetwood v Carlisle, Sheffield United v Walsall, Scunthorpe v Notts County, Rotherham v Lincoln, Leeds v Port Vale."

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35 minutes ago, dr_manhattan^ said:

I saw on the BBC this morning that Celtic were about to sign a Dons player.  What is the point if Celtic can just hoover up all the players?

 

I was happy to see some pressure applied from Aberdeen and Hearts a few years ago.  I'd love to see a non-auld firm club win that league.

 

Celtic and Rangers have done that for decades. That will never change, as they have financial clout nobody else in Scotland can match.

 

To make matters worse due to the fact they get very little in TV revenue they have to bargain hunt in the SPL or lesser leagues, so hunting for the best players in their own league is a certainty. I'm pretty sure there was a chart kicking about a year or so ago point out most Championship teams had better revenue than either of the Old Firm.

 

For a long time the best players they have are happy to jump to middle tier, lower tier Premiership teams.

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26 minutes ago, JohnnyNolan said:

 

Celtic and Rangers have done that for decades. That will never change, as they have financial clout nobody else in Scotland can match.

 

To make matters worse due to the fact they get very little in TV revenue they have to bargain hunt in the SPL or lesser leagues, so hunting for the best players in their own league is a certainty. I'm pretty sure there was a chart kicking about a year or so ago point out most Championship teams had better revenue than either of the Old Firm.

 

For a long time the best players they have are happy to jump to middle tier, lower tier Premiership teams.

 

At least in the current Celtic side a lot of the players are actually getting a game. Armstrong is a good example, and has developed considerably.

 

There was a period where the then significantly richer Rangers and Celtic would sign the best players from the other teams, then put them on the bench or in the reserves. And there was not a lot the clubs could do, because they needed the money.

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Why on earth were they doing the draw in Bangkok? Thai people are not remotely interested in any English football outside of the top 6 and Leicester. 

 

Anyway we (Birmingham) have managed to draw Crawley. At least it's at home, getting down to Gatwick is a right pain. 

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On 14/06/2017 at 10:49, stefcha said:

Oh hang on, Brighton had another game the week after against Norwich.

 

1982/1983 Sat 14 May Norwich City 2 - 1 Brighton & Hove Albion

 

The other two are correct though.

 

Last home fixture then I guess. I'm still sure it's deliberate. 

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Ronaldo on his way out of Madrid.. Or just the same rubbish spouted again from previous years? I've always favoured Messi over Ronaldo, but if Cristiano made the move back to the Prem at 32 and STILL tore it up. That's just silly. 

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He is just acting like a child & throwing his toys out of the pram over the tax case.

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There is 0% chance he leaves. Was disappointed to click on the BBC's story and see it was by Dan Roan who is usually excellent. Surely he can't believe his own story.

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I'm not sure. He's demanding that the club pays his £13m tax bill, which they can't really do, as it would effectively mean paying to get a criminal off the hook. The club seem unconcerned about the prospect of him leaving, as they could get £130m for a player who would probably only play for another three or four seasons. I read somewhere that Real Madrid don't make a huge amount of money from him as he has his own image rights tightly sewn up.  I'm not saying that it is likely he will leave, but I wouldn't say it was a 0% chance.

 

What is extremely unlikely is that he would come back to the Premier League. He'd go to PSG if he does leave.

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Some talk about changing the rules is going on 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/17/football-rule-makers-reducing-games-60-minutes

 



World football’s rule-makers are to consider a proposal to reduce each half of a game to 30 minutes in a bid to prevent time-wasting.

The International Football Association Board (Ifab) has outlined a raft of radical proposed changes to the rules of the game in a new strategy document titled Play Fair! Adopting two halves of 30 minutes with the clock stopped when the ball goes out of play is one of dozens of ideas put forward by Ifab in an attempt to make football more attractive.

 

Among the ideas up for discussion is that of a player being allowed to pass to themselves at a free-kick, corner and goalkick, a stadium clock which stops and starts along with the referee’s watch, and allowing a goalkick to be taken even if the ball is moving.

 

Other ideas up “for discussion” include referees blowing for half-time or full-time only when the ball goes out of play, and a penalty kick being either scored or missed/saved, with players not allowed to follow up to score, in order to stop encroachment into the penalty area.

 

I'm not a fan of the game clock stopping when the ball isn't in play because that is a step towards ad filled matches like the NFL but I like the not allowing follow ups to penalties.

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3 hours ago, ryodi said:

I'm not a fan of the game clock stopping when the ball isn't in play because that is a step towards ad filled matches like the NFL but I like the not allowing follow ups to penalties.

 

They should stop it for injuries, itd save all the dubious amounts of injury time nonsense and the half ends at the next deadball unless its a penalty/free kick/corner. As for following up peanlties maybe only the penalty taker could do it or something?

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12 hours ago, Seanfl9 said:

Ronaldo on his way out of Madrid.. Or just the same rubbish spouted again from previous years? I've always favoured Messi over Ronaldo, but if Cristiano made the move back to the Prem at 32 and STILL tore it up. That's just silly. 

 

This is where Wolves' Mendes link really starts to pay off ;)

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Scenes in the Chile v Cameroon game. Vargas scored, everyone celebrating, then the ref after reviewing the replay decides he's offside so the goal is disallowed. 

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14 minutes ago, Azrael said:

Scenes in the Chile v Cameroon game. Vargas scored, everyone celebrating, then the ref after reviewing the replay decides he's offside so the goal is disallowed. 

 

Same thing happened in the Portugal v Mexico game.

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1 hour ago, Azrael said:

Scenes in the Chile v Cameroon game. Vargas scored, everyone celebrating, then the ref after reviewing the replay decides he's offside so the goal is disallowed. 

 

Now the opposite has happened!

 

Goal initially disallowed for offside (incorrectly). Video called for. Goal given. Excellent.

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The Champions League draws have been made for the first two qualifying rounds. 

Bold type for British and Irish sides.

 

First round (27/28 June, 4/5 July)

 

Víkingur (FRO) v Trepça '89 (KOS)
Hibernians (MLT) v FCI Tallinn (EST) 
Alashkert (ARM) v FC Santa Coloma (AND)
The New Saints (WAL) v Europa (GIB)
Linfield (NIR) v La Fiorita (SMR)

 

Second round (11/12 and 18/19 July)

 

APOEL (CYP) v Dudelange (LUX) 
Žalgiris (LTU) v Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL)
Qarabağ (AZE) v Samtredia (GEO)
Partizan (SRB) v Budućnost Podgorica (MNE) 
Hibernians (MLT) or FCI Tallinn (EST) v Salzburg (AUT)


Sheriff (MDA) v Kukës (ALB)
Astana (KAZ)  v Spartaks Jūrmala (LVA)
BATE Borisov (BLR) v Alashkert (ARM) or FC Santa Coloma (AND)
Žilina (SVK) v København (DEN) 
Hapoel Beer-Sheva (ISR) v Budapest Honvéd (HUN) 
Rijeka (CRO) v The New Saints (WAL) or Europa (GIB)


Malmö (SWE) v Vardar (MKD) 
Zrinjski (BIH) v Maribor (SVN) 
Dundalk (IRL) v Rosenborg (NOR)
FH Hafnarfjördur (ISL) v Víkingur (FRO) or Trepça '89 (KOS)
Linfield (NIR) or La Fiorita (SMR) v Celtic (SCO)
IFK Mariehamn (FIN) v Legia Warszawa (POL)

 

Celtic at Windsor Park? That'll be some craic on the week of the Twelfth.

 

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The Europa League first qualifying round draw was also made today. The second is due after UEFA suits have stuffed themselves. 

 

First Qualifying Round (29th June and 6th July)

 

Maccabi Tel-Aviv (ISR) v Tirana (ALB)
Kairat Almaty (KAZ) v Atlantas (LTU) 
Beitar Jerusalem (ISR) v Vasas (HUN) 
Ordabasy (KAZ) v Široki Brijeg (BIH) 
Crvena zvezda (SRB) v Floriana (MLT) 
Valletta (MLT) v Folgore (SMR) 
Ventspils (LVA) v Valur Reykjavík (ISL) 
St Johnstone (SCO) v Trakai (LTU) 
Odd (NOR) v Ballymena United (NIR) 
Shakhtyor Soligorsk (BLR) v Sūduva (LTU)
Mladost Lučani (SRB) v İnter Bakı (AZE) 
Chikhura Sachkhere (GEO) v Altach (AUT) 
Fola Esch (LUX) v Milsami Orhei (MDA)
Partizani (ALB) v Botev Plovdiv (BUL) 
UE Santa Coloma (AND) v Osijek (CRO)
Zaria Balti (MDA) v FK Sarajevo (BIH) 
Bala Town (WAL) v Vaduz (LIE)
VPS Vaasa (FIN) v Olimpija Ljubljana (SVN)
Connah's Quay Nomads (WAL) v HJK Helsinki (FIN)
SJK Seinäjoki (FIN) v KR Reykjavík (ISL)
Shirak (ARM) v Gorica (SVN) 
Zirä (AZE) v Differdange (LUX) 
Vojvodina (SRB) v Ružomberok (SVK) 
Slovan Bratislava (SVK) v Pyunik (ARM) 
Rabotnicki (MKD) v Tre Penne (SMR) 
Rangers (SCO) v Progrès Niederkorn (LUX) 
Domžale (SVN) v Flora Tallinn (EST) 
Crusaders (NIR) v Liepāja (LVA) 
Nõmme Kalju (EST) v B36 Tórshavn (FRO) 
Levadia Tallinn (EST) v Cork City (IRL)
Dacia Chisinau (MDA) v Shkëndija (MKD) 
Levski Sofia (BUL) v Sutjeska (MNE)
Irtysh Pavlodar (KAZ) v Dunav Ruse (BUL)
Jagiellonia Białystok (POL) v Dinamo Batumi (GEO) 
Željezničar (BIH) v Zeta (MNE)
AEK Larnaca (CYP) v Lincoln (GIB) 
Midtjylland (DEN) v Derry City (IRL) 
Dinamo Minsk (BLR) v NSÍ Runavík (FRO)
Ferencváros (HUN) v Jelgava (LVA) 
Lyngby (DEN) v Bangor City (WAL)
Trenčín (SVK) v Torpedo Kutaisi (GEO) 
Lech Poznań (POL) v Pelister (MKD)
Mladost Podgorica (MNE) v Gandzasar-Kapan (ARM) 
Videoton (HUN) v Balzan (MLT) 
AEL Limassol (CYP) v St Joseph's (GIB) 
Skënderbeu (ALB) v Sant Julià (AND) 
Haugesund (NOR) v Coleraine (NIR) 
Stjarnan (ISL) v Shamrock Rovers (IRL) 
IFK Norrköping (SWE) v Prishtina (KOS) 
AIK (SWE) v KÍ Klaksvík (FRO)

 

Second Qualifying Round (13th and 20th July)

 

 

Partizani (ALB) or Botev Plovdiv (BUL) v Beitar Jerusalem (ISR) or Vasas (HUN)
Željezničar (BIH) or Zeta (MNE) v AIK (SWE) or KÍ Klaksvík (FRO)
Haugesund (NOR) or Coleraine (NIR) v Lech Poznań (POL) or Pelister (MKD)
Apollon Limassol (CYP) v Zaria Balti (MDA) or FK Sarajevo (BIH) 
AEK Larnaca (CYP) or Lincoln (GIB) v Levadia Tallinn (EST) or Cork City (IRL)
Brøndby (DEN) v VPS Vaasa (FIN) or Olimpija Ljubljana (SVN)
Rabotnicki (MKD) or Tre Penne (SMR) v Dinamo Minsk (BLR) or NSÍ Runavík (FRO)
Kairat Almaty (KAZ) or Atlantas (LTU) v Skënderbeu (ALB) or Sant Julià (AND)
IFK Norrköping (SWE) or Prishtina (KOS) v St Johnstone (SCO) or Trakai (LTU) 
Slovan Bratislava (SVK) or Pyunik (ARM) v Lyngby (DEN) or Bangor City (WAL)
Panionios (GRE) v Shirak (ARM) or Gorica (SVN)
Hajduk Split (CRO) v Levski Sofia (BUL) or Sutjeska (MNE)
Stjarnan (ISL) or Shamrock Rovers (IRL) v Mladá Boleslav (CZE)
Zirä (AZE) or Differdange (LUX) v Astra Giurgiu (ROU)
Nõmme Kalju (EST) or B36 Tórshavn (FRO) v Videoton (HUN) or Balzan (MLT)
Maccabi Tel-Aviv (ISR) or Tirana (ALB) v SJK Seinäjoki (FIN) or KR Reykjavík (ISL)
Chikhura Sachkhere (GEO) or Altach (AUT) v Dinamo Brest (BLR)
Aberdeen (SCO) v Ordabasy (KAZ) or Široki Brijeg (BIH)
Valletta (MLT) or Folgore (SMR) v Utrecht (NED)
Östersund (SWE) v Galatasaray (TUR)

Ferencváros (HUN) or Jelgava (LVA) v Midtjylland (DEN) or Derry City (IRL) 
Vojvodina (SRB) or Ružomberok (SVK) v Brann (NOR)
Mladost Lučani (SRB) or İnter Bakı (AZE) v Fola Esch (LUX) or Milsami Orhei (MDA)
Sturm Graz (AUT) v Mladost Podgorica (MNE) or Gandzasar-Kapan (ARM)
Crusaders (NIR) or Liepāja (LVA) v Shakhtyor Soligorsk (BLR) or Sūduva (LTU)
Bala Town (WAL) or Vaduz (LIE) v Odd (NOR) or Ballymena United (NIR)
Dacia Chisinau (MDA) or Shkëndija (MKD) v Connah's Quay Nomads (WAL) or HJK Helsinki (FIN)
Gabala (AZE) v Jagiellonia Białystok (POL) or Dinamo Batumi (GEO)
Ventspils (LVA) or Valur Reykjavík (ISL) v Domžale (SVN) or Flora Tallinn (EST)
Trenčín (SVK) or Torpedo Kutaisi (GEO) v Bnei Yehuda Tel-Aviv (ISR)
Rangers (SCO) or Progrès Niederkorn (LUX) v AEL Limassol (CYP) or St Joseph's (GIB)
Irtysh Pavlodar (KAZ) or Dunav Ruse (BUL) v Crvena zvezda (SRB) or Floriana (MLT) 
UE Santa Coloma (AND) or Osijek (CRO) v Luzern (SUI)

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7 hours ago, Fry Crayola said:

The Champions League draws have been made for the first two qualifying rounds. 

Bold type for British and Irish sides.

 

First round (27/28 June, 4/5 July)

 

Víkingur (FRO) v Trepça '89 (KOS)
Hibernians (MLT) v FCI Tallinn (EST) 
Alashkert (ARM) v FC Santa Coloma (AND)
The New Saints (WAL) v Europa (GIB)
Linfield (NIR) v La Fiorita (SMR)

 

Second round (11/12 and 18/19 July)

 

APOEL (CYP) v Dudelange (LUX) 
Žalgiris (LTU) v Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL)
Qarabağ (AZE) v Samtredia (GEO)
Partizan (SRB) v Budućnost Podgorica (MNE) 
Hibernians (MLT) or FCI Tallinn (EST) v Salzburg (AUT)


Sheriff (MDA) v Kukës (ALB)
Astana (KAZ)  v Spartaks Jūrmala (LVA)
BATE Borisov (BLR) v Alashkert (ARM) or FC Santa Coloma (AND)
Žilina (SVK) v København (DEN) 
Hapoel Beer-Sheva (ISR) v Budapest Honvéd (HUN) 
Rijeka (CRO) v The New Saints (WAL) or Europa (GIB)


Malmö (SWE) v Vardar (MKD) 
Zrinjski (BIH) v Maribor (SVN) 
Dundalk (IRL) v Rosenborg (NOR)
FH Hafnarfjördur (ISL) v Víkingur (FRO) or Trepça '89 (KOS)
Linfield (NIR) or La Fiorita (SMR) v Celtic (SCO)
IFK Mariehamn (FIN) v Legia Warszawa (POL)

 

Celtic at Windsor Park? That'll be some craic on the week of the Twelfth.

 

 

Europa from Gibraltar are an English team (technically).

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Football League fixtures out.

 

Fixture computer has a hell of sense of humour.  Blackburn's big Boxing Day fixture is home to Rochdale.  (The same day Burnley travel to Manchester Utd.)

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9 hours ago, Headache said:

So the recent Spain vs Portugal U21 game looks like it was pretty special. Spain need stop producing so many talented players!
 

0 -1 to Spain

0 - 2 to Spain

1 - 2 Portugal score

 

1- 3 Damnit Spain

 

 

Deflections, rolling ball from a corner, shinned it in, keeper beaten at the near post - what a shambles!

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14 hours ago, neoELITE said:

 

Deflections, rolling ball from a corner, shinned it in, keeper beaten at the near post - what a shambles!

 

:lol: ;)

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14 hours ago, neoELITE said:

Deflections, rolling ball from a corner, shinned it in, keeper beaten at the near post - what a shambles!

 

That Portugal effort actually wasn't the shinner it appears, but it's moot because the whole period of play was invalid to my eye - the ball was moving when the corner was taken. Disgraceful.

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On 2017-6-15 at 20:50, Adrock said:

McInnes had decided to stay at Aberdeen, Sunderland must be horrendously run.

 

BREAKING NEWS

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