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Even then he barely played beyond about 1995 didn't he? Career pretty much taken away by injuries before getting close to his peak years.

 

The only reason I can think of why they'd put him in above more obvious choices is that he almost feels like the prototype for more modern full-backs like Neville.. At least the way I vaguely remember him playing, anyway. Funnily enough Jason McAteer was also a bit ahead of his time when he replaced him and they started playing 3-5-2. Wasn't great defensively but could get up and down all day and whip a cracking cross in. A lot like many full-backs today really.

 

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The only one i'd be sure of is Henry, who i would say is the best player of the premier league era. You'd never put Silva above Viera or Scholes or Aguero above Shearer, or Suarez above Cantona or Bergkamp or Van Nistelrooy maybe, or Yaya Toure above Keane or Lampard or Hazard above Giggs or Beckham or...would you? i think some of the talents the league has had in the last 7 years as equated by their technique and skill and ability to score what look like impossible goals are maybe better than some of these greats, but maybe that's just poor memory. Maybe the recent ones haven't done it long enough in teams that dominated like ones in the past.

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4 hours ago, ckny said:

 

I hate this game and wouldn't usually reply but Beckham's inclusion is an odd one in your team. Over Giggs or Scholes?

 

I've gone 4-4-2, Ronaldo can be selected on either side and I think Beckham was a better player on the right than Giggs was on the left. I respect Giggs' longevity to perform at a high level for so long, but I'd have Ronaldo and Pires above him in terms of pure quality on the left side.

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If I was to choose a premiership midfield it would probably be Keane, Viera, Giggs and one other. Kanchelskis or Scholes probably (maybe Scholes so I could fit shearer and Rooney up front). I can't think k of any other player who managed to adapt his game as well as Giggs. He was the best at everything he did and he did a lot. 

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Gerrard had a good career but I think it's fair to say his biggest highlights were in the FA Cup and CL rather than the league.

 

For me it's not that he wasn't good enough, it's just hard to pick him when competition for spots in CM is so fierce compared to the left side, where realistically it's just a choice between Giggs, Pires and Ronaldo if you wanna put him there. Ginola at a real push. And I don't think Giggs ever had a truly top drawer season where he was in contention to be the best player in the league, whereas going back to Tourist's point, Beckham unquestionably did.

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neoELITE

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Not including John Moncur is a disgrace ;)

 

Mine - I've gone 4-3-3

 

Schmeichel

Gary Neville

Rio Ferdinand

John Terry

Stuart Pearce (one of my favourite players of all time - not the best but his career was built upon utter hard work)

Scholes

Lampard

Keane

Henry

Rooney

Shearer 

 

Just gone for the most goals in that front 3 (I didn't realise Robbie Fowler has scored more than Michael Owen) but I'd probably pick these three if I wanted to pick the most entertaining team

 

Henry

Di Canio

Bergkamp

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28 minutes ago, The Fox said:

Gerrard had a good career but I think it's fair to say his biggest highlights were in the FA Cup and CL rather than the league.

 

For me it's not that he wasn't good enough, it's just hard to pick him when competition for spots in CM is so fierce compared to the left side, where realistically it's just a choice between Giggs, Pires and Ronaldo if you wanna put him there. Ginola at a real push. And I don't think Giggs ever had a truly top drawer season where he was in contention to be the best player in the league, whereas going back to Tourist's point, Beckham unquestionably did.

 

Giggs didn't have a top drawer season? OK - it depends how old you are I suppose. He's 2 years older than me so when he started appearing, I was still at school and playing on a Saturday for a club side. By the time I'd given up, playing my last veterans game, he was still winning trophies :lol: the guy is a one off, unique and such a talent. You don't play 670ish games (most of them under Ferguson) by not being top drawer.

 

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PFA Young Player of the Year (2): 1991–92, 1992–93

PFA Premier League Team of the Year (6): 1992–93, 1997–98, 2000–01, 2001–02, 2006–07, 2008–09

PFA Team of the Century: 1997–2007[159]

PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2008–09

 

 

Looking at his Wikipedia page, he played two seasons in the old First Division. In his second season he played 38 games. 

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He probably was one of the best players in the league in the early 90s I guess, but the standard wasn't good back then.

 

Christ it's not like I said he was shit :lol: He was a very good footballer who successfully changed his game to stay relevant well into his 30s. I just personally feel peak Giggs is overrated and Beckham is definitely underrated. It's just like, my opinion, man.

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18 hours ago, McFly said:

Petr Cech in goal? Jeez Id go Peter Schmiechel (sp?) Or David Seaman over Cech. 

 

The Petr Cech who owns all of the top flight records for a goal keeper?

 

Anyway just seen this...

 

 

If Neymar is still a registered Barca player on the 31st of July they are indeed due that payout.

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Not including John Moncur is a disgrace [emoji6]
 
Mine - I've gone 4-3-3
 
Schmeichel
Gary Neville
Rio Ferdinand
John Terry
Stuart Pearce (one of my favourite players of all time - not the best but his career was built upon utter hard work)
Scholes
Lampard
Keane
Henry
Rooney
Shearer 
 
Just gone for the most goals in that front 3 (I didn't realise Robbie Fowler has scored more than Michael Owen) but I'd probably pick these three if I wanted to pick the most entertaining team
 
Henry
Di Canio
Bergkamp


Love the inclusion of Psycho.
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1 hour ago, The Fox said:

Gerrard had a good career but I think it's fair to say his biggest highlights were in the FA Cup and CL rather than the league.

 

For me it's not that he wasn't good enough, it's just hard to pick him when competition for spots in CM is so fierce compared to the left side, where realistically it's just a choice between Giggs, Pires and Ronaldo if you wanna put him there. Ginola at a real push. And I don't think Giggs ever had a truly top drawer season where he was in contention to be the best player in the league, whereas going back to Tourist's point, Beckham unquestionably did.

 

 

53 minutes ago, The Fox said:

He probably was one of the best players in the league in the early 90s I guess, but the standard wasn't good back then.

 

Christ it's not like I said he was shit :lol: He was a very good footballer who successfully changed his game to stay relevant well into his 30s. I just personally feel peak Giggs is overrated and Beckham is definitely underrated. It's just like, my opinion, man.

 

The standard wasn't that good in the 90s but you pick Ginola out who played 1995-2000 (nobody is allowed to mention his short time at Villa). Beckham left in 2003 for Madrid but had his best years in that Giggs, Scholes, Butt midfield. Pires won 4 trophies with Arsenal - Giggs won 34 at Man Utd. I've never looked at Ronaldo as a midfield player so I put him in the striker bracket and I picked players who scored the most goals in the Premier League. Ronaldo is obviously better than all of those in my team though as a footballer (even Stuart Pearce) but I don't really like centre forwards much.

 

From the current crop, I'd pick this team.

 

David De Gea

Kyle Walker

Toby Alderweireld 

Cahill

Danny Rose

Kante

Alli

Hazard

Sadio Mane

Harry Kane

Lukaku

 

I was going to pick Ryan Shawcross to fill that Sturt Pearce role but he's got nothing on Psycho. Looking at that team compared to a 90s team isn't much different in terms of standard. Paul Scholes would get in that side, Shearer would, Bergkamp would, Terry and Ferdinand would.

 

I think the difference now is we see true wing backs in every side. The other positions aren't much different - most of the top sides have a player who plays behind the strikers too but that kind of existed in the 90s too with some players.

 

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5 minutes ago, Liamness said:

Would probably go for this: 


            Schmeichel

Neville  Ferdinand   Terry   Cole

           Scholes  Keane

     Silva              Ronaldo  
       
          Shearer    Henry

Subs? Subs.

 

Cech, Stam, Baines, Viera, Giggs, Bergkamp, Cantona

 

 

Bah! How could I forget Cantona. I think there's too many great players to pick from to be honest. We've not had a dominant player like Messi in the Premier League. The closest would be Alan Shearer in terms of keeping up his standard for so long; it pains me to say it as although he's a legend at Newcastle, he should've joined Man Utd when he had the opportunity. They'd have won a lot more league titles with him in that squad.

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37 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

From the current crop, I'd pick this team.

 

David De Gea

Kyle Walker

Toby Alderweireld 

Cahill

Danny Rose

Kante

Alli

Hazard

Sadio Mane

Harry Kane

Lukaku

 

Have you just picked the best individuals, or tried to pick a team that would actually function? That's like 4-1-5 formation or something (I would could Alli and Hazard as forwards). Just bothers me a bit when people pick XIs without thinking about how they would gel, as this usually leads to more defensive or less flashy players going unappreciated. Also, Cahilll... wouldn't even be in my top five. Maybe not even my top ten. Azpilicueta was far more impressive last season, anyway.

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One thing this is showing: England really messed up with that Euro 2004 squad didn't we? What a fucking side that should have been, but we just never quite amounted to the sum of the parts.

 

You've got to put the lion's share of the blame on Sven really. I think a hungrier, stronger coach wins that tournament and has better showings in '02 and '06 too.

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1 hour ago, Liamness said:

Would probably go for this: 


            Schmeichel

Neville  Ferdinand   Terry   Cole

           Scholes  Keane

     Silva              Ronaldo  
       
          Shearer    Henry

Subs? Subs.

 

Cech, Stam, Baines, Viera, Giggs, Bergkamp, Cantona

 

I'm probably just being thick but who is Silva? I can only think of Gilberto...

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2 hours ago, The Fox said:

One thing this is showing: England really messed up with that Euro 2004 squad didn't we? What a fucking side that should have been, but we just never quite amounted to the sum of the parts.

 

You've got to put the lion's share of the blame on Sven really. I think a hungrier, stronger coach wins that tournament and has better showings in '02 and '06 too.

 

I agree but this is classic you. Be wrong about football stuff and then divert. :) classic Arsenal fan. 

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2 hours ago, The Fox said:

One thing this is showing: England really messed up with that Euro 2004 squad didn't we? What a fucking side that should have been, but we just never quite amounted to the sum of the parts.

 

You've got to put the lion's share of the blame on Sven really. I think a hungrier, stronger coach wins that tournament and has better showings in '02 and '06 too.

 

How Sven doesn't get more hate is beyond me. We had Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard and he insisted on playing 4-4-2... with Scholes on the left wing.

 

What a waste.

 

 

 

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